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Pope Francis: "God Not a Magician with Magic Wand" Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 28 14:05:53 2014

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Pope Francis: Evolution and Big Bang are real and God isn’t ‘a magician with a magic wand’
Harry Readhead for Metro.co.uk

Pope Francis has declared that evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not ‘a magician with a magic wand’ – in contradiction to the creationist theory apparently endorsed by his predecessor.

Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope put an end to the so-called ‘pseudo theories’ of intelligent design and creationism, theories that seemed to be supported by Pope Benedict XVI in a 2005 interview.

And Francis went on to argue that the existence of a creator is not inconsistent with evolution nor the Big Bang and that in fact it ‘requires’ both theories.
‘When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,’ he said.
‘He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment.

‘Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.’

The comments, which built on the words of progressive popes like Pius XIII and John Paul II, would seem to indicate a desire to leave behind the ‘anti-scientific’ reputation of the Catholic Church that saw Galileo retract his theory that the Earth revolved the Sun.
Scholars, however, see Francis’ words as in keeping with a historically positive relationship between science and the church that dates back to the mathematicians of the Middle Ages.




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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by Dand124 on Tue Oct 28 15:03:10 2014, in response to Pope Francis: "God Not a Magician with Magic Wand" Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 28 14:05:53 2014.

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http://www.subchat.com/otchat/read.asp?Id=1228832

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Oct 28 15:19:58 2014, in response to Pope Francis: "God Not a Magician with Magic Wand" Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 28 14:05:53 2014.

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Who cares about facts? As long as Pope Benedict looks dumb.

You know, I think if everybody read/listened to the Pope directly before reading an article about him, most of the world would be practicing Catholics.

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 28 15:42:20 2014, in response to Pope Francis: "God Not a Magician with Magic Wand" Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 28 14:05:53 2014.

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Thank God.

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 28 16:08:07 2014, in response to Pope Francis: "God Not a Magician with Magic Wand" Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 28 14:05:53 2014.

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Holy shitski!

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 28 16:11:40 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 28 16:08:07 2014.

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"Holy shitski."

No, that was the Polish pope.

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 28 16:30:08 2014, in response to Pope Francis: "God Not a Magician with Magic Wand" Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 28 14:05:53 2014.

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progressive popes like Pius XIII????

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 28 16:41:36 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 28 16:30:08 2014.

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Hmm. I didn't catch that till the third go-around. Merge Pius XII with John XXIII and what do you get?



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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 28 16:55:43 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 28 16:41:36 2014.

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Pius John XXXV. :-)

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 28 17:01:30 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 28 16:30:08 2014.

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They mean Leo XIII.

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 28 17:03:21 2014, in response to Pope Francis: "God Not a Magician with Magic Wand" Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 28 14:05:53 2014.

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I was trolled for saying I believe in evolution.

Then I linked to the NYAlMTimes using the word "believe" and won the thread.

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 28 17:22:04 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 28 16:11:40 2014.

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Lol!!

It only dawned on me now what I wrote lol

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 28 17:53:57 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 28 16:41:36 2014.

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Merge Pius XII with John XXIII and what do you get?

An apocalyptic Super Bowl?

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 28 18:40:51 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 28 17:03:21 2014.

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No, you didn't. You still never answered. You lose.

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Oct 29 07:44:10 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 28 17:01:30 2014.

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Nah, Pius XI was more of a Progressive Era guy.

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Oct 29 07:44:54 2014, in response to Pope Francis: "God Not a Magician with Magic Wand" Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 28 14:05:53 2014.

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God is not ‘a magician with a magic wand’

So he disagrees with Morton Smith?

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Oct 29 08:47:01 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 28 18:40:51 2014.

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IAWTP

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Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 29 11:24:18 2014, in response to Pope Francis: "God Not a Magician with Magic Wand" Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 28 14:05:53 2014.

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What are you doing back here again?

The way you post, you want WWIII to start sooner rather than later.

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Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 29 11:36:43 2014, in response to Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 29 11:24:18 2014.

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Antipope Francis?

OK, then who is the actual Pope?


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Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 29 11:37:43 2014, in response to Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 29 11:36:43 2014.

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Plenty of conservative Catholics are already calling him an antipope. A schism over liberal matters will not help things.

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Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by Dand124 on Wed Oct 29 11:44:13 2014, in response to Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 29 11:37:43 2014.

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Plenty of conservative Catholics are already calling him an antipope.


They've said that about every pope since Vatican II, they don't like the fact that the church no longer hates Jews.

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Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 29 11:49:07 2014, in response to Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by Dand124 on Wed Oct 29 11:44:13 2014.

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I said conservative Catholics, not radical ones. If not for Vatican II, the church would have had no support against the Second World.

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Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 29 12:16:43 2014, in response to Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 29 11:37:43 2014.

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Plenty of conservative Catholics are already calling him an antipope.

And you seem to be taking up their cause.

So please tell me, how is his election to the papacy illegitimate? You don't get to be an antipope just by having objectionable views.



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Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 29 13:21:31 2014, in response to Re: Antipope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by Dand124 on Wed Oct 29 11:44:13 2014.

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IAWTP

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Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Oct 29 16:21:38 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: ''God Not a Magician with Magic Wand'' Evolution and Big Bang are Real, posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Oct 29 07:44:10 2014.

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Leo had some very progressive encyclicals about labor and capital.

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