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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 13:51:00 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 13:46:44 2014. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 13:51:50 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 13:29:22 2014. Why should English, a language which has no real history in Israel, be an official language in Israel? Is it because you speak English and you wish Israel bent to your will? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 13:54:58 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 13:51:50 2014. Ok, I have no problem with Israel only having one official language. As long as it's Hebrew. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Sep 29 13:55:26 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 13:50:34 2014. It is certainly a more logical choice than English (or any other language for that matter) if there is going to be a second official language. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 14:01:36 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Sep 29 13:55:26 2014. I am not surprised. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 29 14:16:24 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 14:01:36 2014. He is saying that if there are two official languages Arabic makes more sense than English. There is nothing contained in what Oren posted indicating that he was taking a position on whether there should be more than one official language |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 14:52:36 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 29 14:16:24 2014. Wow! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 14:52:52 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 14:52:36 2014. Wow, what? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 14:57:20 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 14:52:52 2014. Wow that someone must have esp, can interpret someone elses post. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 15:01:28 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 14:57:20 2014. LOL! The entire idea behind reading and writing is completely foreign to you. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 15:06:15 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 15:01:28 2014. It's because of people like you I always say is your name WMATAGMOAGH. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 15:08:21 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 15:06:15 2014. Why? Do you understand what the point of reading and writing is or are you illiterate? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 29 18:30:30 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 13:51:50 2014. And yet I'm apparently the one who wants Israel destroyed because I think they shouldn't suspend basic human rights in order to prevent natural demographic shifts over time. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 29 18:30:33 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 29 12:27:33 2014. Oh geez, that will not be a very attractive image in about three seconds. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 29 18:40:39 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 29 18:30:33 2014. You're welcome. :) |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 29 19:35:05 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 29 13:29:22 2014. If there has to be 2 official languages, the other should be English, certainly not Arabic.That would be like Canada's two official languages being English and Spanish. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 22:56:44 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Nilet on Mon Sep 29 18:30:30 2014. How is annexation of new territory "natural demographic shifts over time?" |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 29 23:32:01 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 29 19:35:05 2014. Actually, more accurately, French and Mandarin. :) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Sep 30 15:00:29 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 14:52:52 2014. Wow, what?
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 30 15:05:13 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 15:08:21 2014. BUMP |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 19:43:22 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 29 22:56:44 2014. What does annexation of new territory have to do with anything? WMATA has claimed that if Jews become a minority in Israel for any reason, they'll be obliged to commit ethnic cleansing to preserve Israel's "Jewish character." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 20:24:24 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 19:43:22 2014. Where has he claimed that? You want Israel to annex the West Bank and Gaza. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:14:38 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 20:24:24 2014. Where has he claimed that?Here. Specifically: If a majority of the population is not Jewish, then non-democratic means would need to be used to maintain its Jewish character. You want Israel to annex the West Bank and Gaza. No, I said I would be OK with them doing that. Not that they must or that I actively want them to. Do try to follow along. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 21:18:53 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:14:38 2014. So you believe that statement implies that he believes that is something that should be done? No wonder you have such problems understanding and getting along with others.You've suggested that annexation of Palestinian land was the optimal solution to the conflict. |
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Posted by Gamera on Fri Oct 3 21:20:30 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:14:38 2014. It appears that YOU are the one that does not understand nuance or context! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 21:21:50 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Gamera on Fri Oct 3 21:20:30 2014. BINGO! It's clear that WMATAGMOAGH was speaking hypothetically about a possible scenario that he wouldn't want to see coming to pass. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:35:17 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Gamera on Fri Oct 3 21:20:30 2014. FAIL. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:35:18 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 21:21:50 2014. Yes, and in speaking hypothetically about a scenario in which Israel's population was no longer majority-Jewish, he declared that Israel's "Jewish character" must take precedence over the wishes of a potentially non-Jewish population. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:35:21 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 21:18:53 2014. So you believe that statement implies that he believes that is something that should be done?Unless you've decided to develop a Terrapin-level failure to understand nuance and context, you'll notice that WMATA was making the following points: (1) Israel was created to be democratic and Jewish. (2) If those two goals conflict, Judaism takes priority. (3) Because being Jewish is Israel's "primary purpose for existing" while democracy is just a nice thing to have. Therefore, if Israel's "Jewish character" is threatened by natural demographic shifts, democracy must be suspended to maintain it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 21:46:20 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:35:18 2014. No, he didn't. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:47:31 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 21:46:20 2014. Failing to understand nuance and context, I see?What did you think he was saying? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 21:47:34 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:35:21 2014. No, I don't notice those things because I'm neither an asshole nor do I have some sort of mental disorder. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:49:04 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 21:47:34 2014. So then you do fail to understand nuance and context. Congratulations, Spider-Terrapin. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 21:58:56 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:47:31 2014. I already posted what I think he said. The post had nuance and context, so no wonder it was nigh-invisible to you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 21:59:33 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:49:04 2014. Thanks. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 22:26:45 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 21:58:56 2014. I already posted what I think he said.No, you didn't. The post had nuance and context... Which explains why you don't get it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 3 23:09:29 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Gamera on Fri Oct 3 21:20:30 2014. What he doesn't understand is to not tease a lion. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 23:18:35 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except -----------, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 3 23:09:29 2014. No lions here. Nearest lion is over on Broadway. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 3 23:27:35 2014, in response to Re: Cake Is Now Only /75 Per Slice, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 23:18:35 2014. Where's your "It Is Now Ramadan" thread, eh? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 23:47:41 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except -----------, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 3 23:27:35 2014. I don't celebrate Ramadan, dumbass. Why would I talk about what I'm doing to celebrate a holiday I don't celebrate? You really need to think this through before posting.If I celebrated Ramadan, I would have posted an "It Is Now Ramadan" thread. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 23:51:44 2014, in response to Re: All Tickets Now 0.5% Off, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 23:47:41 2014. You don't celebrate Passover or Yom Kippur either. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 4 00:34:19 2014, in response to Re: All Tickets Now 0.5% Off, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 3 23:51:44 2014. You don't celebrate Passover or Yom Kippur either.Of course I do. I announced as much on OTChat. You responded with a screaming tantrum along with a bunch of other nutters. Did you somehow forget that? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 5 12:55:58 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 3 21:14:38 2014. non-democratic means <> genocideI don't wish to see such a situation come to pass, however, there are lots of ways to maintain Israel's Jewish character without killing its minority population or expelling it. Here is yet another explanation of how and why Israel should be a Jewish, democratic state and what that means. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 5 14:05:13 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 5 12:55:58 2014. there are lots of ways to maintain Israel's Jewish character without killing its minority population or expelling itAnd the core of a thousand pointless posts is that Nilet, Olog and CMM don't believe that statement. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Oct 5 15:31:21 2014, in response to Re: Thank You To Everyone Except WMATAGMOAGH, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 5 12:55:58 2014. non-democratic means <> genocideOK, you're right. It could just mean dictatorship or apartheid. Not that I'd consider those much of an improvement. I don't wish to see such a situation come to pass, however, there are lots of ways to maintain Israel's Jewish character without killing its minority population or expelling it. "Minority" population? You said Jews must always be Israel's majority population. OK no more dodging. I'm just gonna ask you— if Israel's population ceased to be majority-Jewish due to natural demographic shifts over time, what should be done about it? Here is yet another explanation of how and why Israel should be a Jewish, democratic state and what that means. That is the most absurd pile of bullshit I've read so far today on a site other than OTChat. From the article: There need be no contradiction between the state’s Jewish character (which first of all means the recognition that Israel is the state in which the Jewish people exercises its right to self-determination) and its commitment to afford equal rights to all its citizens. Of course, there's absolutely no contradiction between the idea that we're both equal in this country and the fact that this is my country where I have a right to self-determination and you don't really belong but we'll let you in anyway. I've asked you this before— what part of "separate is inherently unequal" do you not understand? Or rather, do you not understand the sentiment behind that phrase? |
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