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Posted by Nilet on Mon May 19 16:03:13 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 19 11:28:13 2014. You haven't been reading this thread, have you?Start here. I'm really thinking my friend was right re: the futility of arguing with an Israeli nutter. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 22 15:15:18 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 16 12:10:18 2014. OK, then answer the questions:1. Did you ever own SubChat? 2. Were you ever a moderator on SubChat? Those are simple yes or no questions. No evasions, please. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 3 11:49:07 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 15 12:23:39 2014. And it would help if the Palestinians actually took a share of the pie when it is offered to them.They can't well do that if Israel has already eaten the slice being offered. I apologize if this was unclear, but I always meant to ask about the opinions of the Israeli left. Very well. As noted, I'm not privy to the fine details of Israeli politics (or that of any other country, really) but "Israeli left" doesn't necessarily mean left-wing. Right, because mainstream, "secular" Israeli society is pretty religious. Did you know that according to a survey, 75% of Israelis consider themselves to be secular but the same survey also found that 75% of Israelis light candles each and every Shabbat? That doesn't actually mean anything without context. I lit candles each and every Shabbat for years, said a bunch of words, and then went right back to my computer to finish typing up some important document before turning on the oven to make dinner (which wasn't kosher). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 12:20:57 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 3 11:49:07 2014. I lit candles each and every Shabbat for years, said a bunch of words, and then went right back to my computer to finish typing up some important document before turning on the oven to make dinner (which wasn't kosher).But it seems you aren't Jewish. So that's fine. The people being polled in Israel are most likely, for the most part, Jewish. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Sep 3 14:30:35 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 17 15:00:43 2014. Well, we can thank the USSR for voting for partition in the first place in 1947. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 3 14:32:25 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 3 11:49:07 2014. They can't well do that if Israel has already eaten the slice being offered. This is true, but your view of the situation is a bit too simplistic. I think moves such as the one the Israeli government made this week, even in Area C, is damaging to Israel's own interests in light of recent events. But let's not forget that if the Palestinians actually entered serious negotiations and hammered out a negotiated deal on final boundaries years ago one of the many times they had the chance, perhaps there will be more pieces of the pie left. If you go to a buffet dinner, don't take all the offerings right away, and then on your second trip discover something has run out, do you blame the other diners? As noted, I'm not privy to the fine details of Israeli politics (or that of any other country, really) but "Israeli left" doesn't necessarily mean left-wing. Even if you were privy to the fine details of a country's politics, you seem to lack the ability to comprehend them, so don't worry about it too much. That doesn't actually mean anything without context. I lit candles each and every Shabbat for years, said a bunch of words, and then went right back to my computer to finish typing up some important document before turning on the oven to make dinner (which wasn't kosher). What additional context are you looking for? It sounds like you are about as religious as 75% of Israelis. Does anyone else see some irony in that? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 14:39:14 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Sep 3 14:30:35 2014. The non-binding partition vote in the UNGA. Also, since 1947 was before decolonization, a larger proportion of states in the UNGA were democracies or aspired to democratic principles.I've always wondered why the USSR supported Israel in those early days and then switched sides. My working theory is that with Jews' leftist leanings (perceived or otherwise), the USSR might have hoped that Israel would choose the Soviet option. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 17:44:18 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 3 12:20:57 2014. Oh come on, there isn't even any nuance or context to miss and you're still not getting it? If you were any more dense, you'd collapse into a black hole. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 17:44:20 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 3 14:32:25 2014. This is true, but your view of the situation is a bit too simplistic.I wouldn't bet any money that you even know what my view of the situation is. I think moves such as the one the Israeli government made this week, even in Area C, is damaging to Israel's own interests in light of recent events. Indeed. I think we can all agree on that. But let's not forget that if the Palestinians actually entered serious negotiations and hammered out a negotiated deal on final boundaries years ago one of the many times they had the chance, perhaps there will be more pieces of the pie left. I think you broke the metaphor. The pie refers to land, and that's not going anywhere. Israel is free to make any offer they want today, and past acts don't justify their refusal. If someone tried to kill you years ago, you wouldn't take revenge on his grandson now, would you? If you go to a buffet dinner, don't take all the offerings right away, and then on your second trip discover something has run out, do you blame the other diners? This isn't a buffet. This is an ongoing conflict which will never be resolved as long as both sides continue to harp on old grievances. A breakdown of the peace process years ago does not preclude new attempts— that buffet table is being continually restocked. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 17:53:08 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 3 14:32:25 2014. Even if you were privy to the fine details of a country's politics, you seem to lack the ability to comprehend them, so don't worry about it too much.Coming from someone who repeatedly denies, distorts, and often demonstrates fundamental ignorance of the facts on the ground in his own country, I'd say that's a pretty good undorsement. What additional context are you looking for? You implied that many Israelis identify as secular but are actually religious. I pointed out that performance of religious rituals doesn't necessarily imply being religious. I was looking for an explanation as to why they light the candles. It sounds like you are about as religious as 75% of Israelis. As in "completely secular?" You could be right. Does anyone else see some irony in that? I don't see how it would be ironic. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 4 21:46:29 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 17:44:18 2014. Thanks for the non-reply. Try again by addressing my point. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 4 21:49:20 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 17:53:08 2014. I pointed out that performance of religious rituals doesn't necessarily imply being religious.That went right over your head! His point was that "secular" Jews in America don't light shabbos candles! So since these Israeli Jews light shabbos candles, they're not as secular as an American hearing the term "secular" would think. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 4 23:10:00 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 17:44:20 2014. The buffet might be restocked continually, but the offerings may not be the same after each restocking. Israel is pretty gracious for restocking the buffet in light of the history of this conflict, it would be good if the world realized that. It would also be good if people realized that peace won't come as long as other parties such as the US want it more than the Israelis and Palestinians do. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 4 23:10:30 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 4 21:49:20 2014. DING DING DING |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 4 23:13:53 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 17:53:08 2014. Terrapin explained my point about the Shabbat candles pretty well. Reread the thread. Although most Israelis who light candles each week wouldn't then go on to do what you did following, they light candles weekly AND consider themselves to be secular. And attend a seder each year. And have meals on all the other holidays. And build a Sukkah. And fast on Yom Kippur and go to shul for some part of the day. That sounds like a pretty religious secular population, doesn't it? You somehow think that the large majority of Israelis who do all those things are somehow "secular" in the eyes of someone of another nationality? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 23:20:04 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 4 21:49:20 2014. That went right over your head!Oh you're one to talk. His point was that "secular" Jews in America don't light shabbos candles! Really? What am I then? So since these Israeli Jews light shabbos candles, they're not as secular as an American hearing the term "secular" would think. And my point, which went right over your head is that performing religiously inspired rituals is not the same thing as being religious. It could just mean that they just keep different parts of the cultural background they share with American Jews. What matters is whether they light the candles for religious reasons. That's why I had to ask— nuance and context may be foreign concepts to you, but I tend to find them important. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 23:23:47 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 4 23:13:53 2014. Although most Israelis who light candles each week wouldn't then go on to do what you did following, they light candles weekly AND consider themselves to be secular. And attend a seder each year. And have meals on all the other holidays. And build a Sukkah. And fast on Yom Kippur and go to shul for some part of the day. That sounds like a pretty religious secular population, doesn't it?I did at least half of those things for years and I still do some of them today. You can't determine someone's religiosity from their celebrations. Do they keep Shabbat or just light the candles? Keep kosher? Honestly believe in magic gods? Take any actions on the assumption that a god commands it? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 23:29:22 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 4 23:10:00 2014. You've broken the metaphor again. Israel isn't restocking the buffet because the buffet is a metaphor for land that is a non-consumable resource. The buffet being restocked symbolises the non-consumable nature of the actual thing the buffet represents.If we're using a buffet as a metaphor, then the buffet is constantly restocked, is always the same after each restocking, and is restocked by some unseen entity that doesn't represent any real-world country, group, faction, idea, or demographic. Claiming that Israel restocks the buffet is basically claiming that living on land causes it to disappear, and Israel is graciously manufacturing new land to replace it as it does. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 4 23:29:59 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 23:23:47 2014. You think Israelis (and everyone else for that matter) should abandon their religion.I pointed out to you that "secular" Israelis are not all that secular by your standards. You're right that you can't determine someone's religiosity from their celebrations, but you might be surprised at how religious "secular" Israelis in fact are, and how they feel that the religion, even if they don't practice it as strictly as others, is what ties them to the country. Now try telling those people that they should be less religious and see how they respond to you. My guess is they will be very angry, as they should be. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 4 23:31:06 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 23:29:22 2014. Usually when you declare war on a country once and lose the war, you lose the land. The Arabs have declared war on Israel THREE TIMES and have NEVER WON, yet Israel is still trying to make peace with its neighbors. What other country offers back the land it conquered after a war? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 23:34:38 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 4 21:46:29 2014. I did address your point. It's not my problem if you're too thick to understand it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 00:00:46 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 4 23:29:59 2014. You think Israelis (and everyone else for that matter) should abandon their religion.It would be nice, yes. I pointed out to you that "secular" Israelis are not all that secular by your standards. You made a claim that didn't mean much without context, which is why I asked for it. You're right that you can't determine someone's religiosity from their celebrations, but you might be surprised at how religious "secular" Israelis in fact are, and how they feel that the religion, even if they don't practice it as strictly as others, is what ties them to the country. The question is how much they practice it. Also, don't start playing the religion/ethnicity shell game again— "Judaism" is the name of a religion and it is the name of an ethnicity/culture/ancestry, but claiming that Judaism (religion) is important to someone because they feel that Judaism (ethnicity) binds them to their country is still an equivocation fallacy. Maybe I should start requiring you to specify "Judaism (r)" and "Judaism (e)" to prevent them from getting mixed up. Now try telling those people that they should be less religious and see how they respond to you. Doesn't work that way. Religion behaves like a virus, and its primary vector is childhood brainwashing— kids are naturally inclined to believe what they're told by parents and everyone is naturally inclined to view how their parents and relatives did things when they were kids as simply "the way things are done." You don't tell adults to abandon religion unless they've already abandoned it in all but name— you teach kids about reason and evidence, critical thinking, and the scientific method, giving them the tools they need to see through religion on their own; a vaccine for the virus. My guess is they will be very angry... Well, yes. Religion still exists because it's very good at short-circuiting people's ability to reason— once it gets into somebody's head, it makes them wrap their identity around it and starts permeating every aspect of their life. Your purpose, your goals, even your basic sense of morality become attributed to the religion. Telling someone the thing (they perceive is) the essence of who they are is based on a lie will provoke immediate irrational rejection no matter how much evidence you present or how well-reasoned your point. ... as they should be. OK, you'll need to explain this. I know the biological, psychological, and sociological reasons why they become angry, but if you're claiming their anger is actually rational then you've got quite a bit of explaining to do. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 00:06:59 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 4 23:31:06 2014. Usually when you declare war on a country once and lose the war, you lose the land.Maybe in a more primitive era, sure, but I'd have hoped we'd moved beyond "right of conquest" bullshit. The Arabs have declared war on Israel THREE TIMES and have NEVER WON, yet Israel is still trying to make peace with its neighbors. Declaring war against Gaza and committing acts of war against the West Bank don't strike me as "trying to make peace." What other country offers back the land it conquered after a war? Britain, France, Portugal... ...wait, did you somehow miss the end of colonialism? Hell, even America relinquished control of Japan after the second world war. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 5 00:19:54 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 23:20:04 2014. Oh you're one to talk.Takes on to know one. Really? What am I then?Didn't I address that specifically just a few posts prior to this one in this subthread? And my point, which went right over your head is that performing religiously inspired rituals is not the same thing as being religious. It could just mean that they just keep different parts of the cultural background they share with American Jews.Doesn't matter. A mitzvah is a mitzvah. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 5 00:20:02 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 4 23:10:30 2014. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 5 00:22:52 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 4 23:34:38 2014. No you didn't. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 00:23:03 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 5 00:19:54 2014. Takes on to know one.Well I've taken on the task of educating you through repeated pwnings. Didn't I address that specifically just a few posts prior to this one in this subthread? No, you didn't. You also never explained exactly how I "betrayed" you, so claiming you've offered information you clearly haven't is just sort of a thing for you I guess. Doesn't matter. A mitzvah is a mitzvah. And here comes the narrow-mindedness again. You really can't see beyond your own little world, can you? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 00:24:33 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 5 00:22:52 2014. Yep. Just there. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 5 00:28:31 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 00:23:03 2014. Well I've taken on the task of educating you through repeated pwnings.Nope. No, you didn't.Yes I did. You also never explained exactly how I "betrayed" youI've repeatedly addressed that. so claiming you've offered information you clearly haven't is just sort of a thing for you I guess.Nope. Not at all. And here comes the narrow-mindedness again. You really can't see beyond your own little world, can you?If you do mitzvahs, you're religious, if you like it or not. Doesn't matter the reason (in most cases). And it doesn't matter how you want to define such people. They are religious. That's your fail. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 00:29:27 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 5 00:28:31 2014. Bookmarked for later response. Goodnight. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 5 00:29:42 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 00:24:33 2014. Nope. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Sep 5 08:42:08 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 00:29:27 2014. Don't sweat it. I probably have 50+ posts bookmarked for such a reason and I haven't got around to replying to them yet. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Sep 5 16:34:24 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 00:06:59 2014. What act of war was committed in the West Bank? Annexing land that isn't part of a country isn't usually an act of war. As for Gaza, Hamas declared war on Israel back in 1988, it is merely the latest battleground in Hamas's ongoing attempts to wipe Israel off the map.Israel isn't a colonialist project. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 19:32:59 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 5 00:29:42 2014. Yep.I pointed out that following religious rituals doesn't make you religious. You responded with some string of garbage and then claimed I'd never made addressed the point you didn't actually make with said garbage. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 19:33:01 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Sep 5 16:34:24 2014. What act of war was committed in the West Bank?I posted a thread about Israel's recent invasion. You were there. Annexing land that isn't part of a country isn't usually an act of war. Oh right, the West Bank doesn't count as a country so it's OK to tell people you're taking over their land— if they didn't want their land taken, they'd have a country. As for Gaza, Hamas declared war on Israel back in 1988... And Hamas was the government of what country in 1988? Israel isn't a colonialist project. I never said it was. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 19:33:06 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 5 00:28:31 2014. Well I've taken on the task of educating you through repeated pwnings.Nope. OK so at this point you're just reflexively denying. No, you didn't. Yes I did. No, you didn't. You also never explained exactly how I "betrayed" you... I've repeatedly addressed that. Then link to it. Or just explain it again. ...so claiming you've offered information you clearly haven't is just sort of a thing for you I guess. Nope. Not at all. More reflexive denial. And here comes the narrow-mindedness again. You really can't see beyond your own little world, can you? If you do mitzvahs, you're religious, if you like it or not. Doesn't matter the reason (in most cases). So you're saying I'm religious? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 6 20:26:01 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 19:33:06 2014. NoNo No No No |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 6 20:27:43 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 19:32:59 2014. Nope, not at all. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 6 21:12:13 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 19:33:01 2014. wwrroonngg |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 03:43:09 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 6 21:12:13 2014. WATS. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 03:43:27 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 6 20:26:01 2014. OK at this point you're clearly just throwing a tantrum. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 03:43:30 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 6 20:27:43 2014. Sounds like someone needs a juice box. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 03:52:41 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 03:43:30 2014. Naw ... he just needs a hug ... but ewww. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 04:06:46 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 03:52:41 2014. I'd do it for a million dollars, but only on the condition that I get to wear a hazmat suit and a decontamination chamber is on standby. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 04:26:03 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 04:06:46 2014. Nah ... I wouldn't take that bet. :)Loving the stuff you've been posting, many many giggles! Even made me notice a few subthreads I missed because unlike the Tourette's syndrome folks here, I can't find the time to obsess over EVERY post. (grin) |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 04:58:16 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 04:26:03 2014. I try. :)Normally, I can't stand the thought of being a straight man, but this time I'll oblige and leave the phrase "straight man" line hanging there for anyone who wants to take a crack at it. :D |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 05:05:14 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 04:58:16 2014. Heh. Well ... if you saw the Scotland v EUEUEUEU stuff, then you don't have to be a straight man, you can wear a skirt, strangle a cat and toss a telephone poll with the rest of us. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 16 08:01:58 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 03:43:30 2014. More like a hard cider. But very typical of you to change the subject. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 16 08:02:54 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 04:26:03 2014. Antisemite |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 18:49:07 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 16 08:02:54 2014. Whitewalker. |
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