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Re:Sorry, People; RW/Conservative America is Still Racist, |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 15:25:58 2014, in response to Re: Sorry, People; Liberal America is Still Racist, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 14:53:21 2014. So mr. bigot....why don't you ever answer his questions? too much to handle? that much of a moron and a bigot? hmmmm...ok. |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 15:29:08 2014, in response to "Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!", posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 15:22:14 2014. LOL, Uptown Magazine.Of course, Bill "Ted Baxter" O'Reilly is as much of a laugh as they are. |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 15:36:30 2014, in response to Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'', posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 15:29:08 2014. "LOL, Uptown Magazine."So are you now saying that all these factual accounts are LIES? because you, as a White person, are in total denial of the existance of White privilege in America. hmmmm. "Of course, Bill "Ted Baxter" O'Reilly is as much of a laugh as they are." IF that were the case, why does he have such a large audience? are you saying they are dumb Americans? that what you are saying MORON. |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 16:18:56 2014, in response to "Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!", posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 15:22:14 2014. IAWTP !! |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 16:23:43 2014, in response to Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 16:18:56 2014. thanks......Why does racist Olog think I don't want equality for Black Americans and minorities like what Bill O'Reilly has and his big house in Plandome, NY. I wish I could have a big mouth like he does to attain such attraction....lol |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 16:25:53 2014, in response to Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'', posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 16:23:43 2014. thanks ! IAWTP |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Aug 29 16:37:05 2014, in response to "Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!", posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 15:22:14 2014. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 16:38:46 2014, in response to Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'', posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Aug 29 16:37:05 2014. WAKE UP! |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 16:40:30 2014, in response to Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 29 16:38:46 2014. he cant he is a KKK NAZI |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 16:48:57 2014, in response to Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'', posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Aug 29 16:37:05 2014. I SEE YOU HAVE A HARD TIME DIGESTING THE TRUTH....HMMM |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 16:49:10 2014, in response to Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 16:40:30 2014. IAWTP |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 16:55:34 2014, in response to Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'', posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 16:48:57 2014. IAWTP |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 16:55:55 2014, in response to Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'', posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 16:49:10 2014. thank you |
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Re: Sorry, Black People; White America is Still Racist |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Aug 29 17:54:16 2014, in response to Re: Sorry, Black People; White America is Still Racist, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 14:50:54 2014. I didn't type that out. |
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Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'' |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 20:36:42 2014, in response to Re: ''Bill O'Reilly: I'm a Black American and I want the privilege and equality YOU HAVE!'', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 16:55:34 2014. thanks |
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A Comparsion: Riding a bike and being discriminated by drivers |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 06:14:42 2014, in response to Sorry, Race Baiters; White America is simply Not Buying it Anymore. We’ve Spent our Guilt and Moved, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 27 09:39:52 2014. http://qz.com/257474/what-riding-my-bike-has-taught-me-about-white-privilege/What riding my bike has taught me about white privilege Written by Jeremy Dowsett August 29, 2014 The phrase “white privilege” is one that rubs a lot of white people the wrong way. It can trigger something in them that shuts down conversation or at least makes them very defensive. (Especially those who grew up relatively less privileged than other folks around them). And I’ve seen more than once where this happens and the next move in the conversation is for the person who brought up white privilege to say, “The reason you’re getting defensive is because you’re feeling the discomfort of having your privilege exposed.” I’m sure that’s true sometimes. And I’m sure there are a lot of people, white and otherwise, who can attest to a kind of a-ha moment or paradigm shift where they “got” what privilege means and they did realize they had been getting defensive because they were uncomfortable at having their privilege exposed. But I would guess that more often than not, the frustration and the shutting down is about something else. It comes from the fact that nobody wants to be a racist. And the move “you only think that because you’re looking at this from the perspective of privilege” or the more terse and confrontational “check your privilege!” kind of sound like an accusation that someone is a racist (if they don’t already understand privilege). And the phrase “white privilege” kind of sounds like, “You are a racist and there’s nothing you can do about it because you were born that way.” And if this were what “white privilege” meant—which it does not—defensiveness and frustration would be the appropriate response. But privilege talk is not intended to make a moral assessment or a moral claim about the privileged at all. It is about systemic imbalance. It is about injustices that have arisen because of the history of racism that birthed the way things are now. It’s not saying, “You’re a bad person because you’re white.” It’s saying, “The system is skewed in ways that you maybe haven’t realized or had to think about precisely because it’s skewed in your favor.” I am white. So I have not experienced racial privilege from the “under” side firsthand. But my children (and a lot of other people I love) are not white. And so I care about privilege and what it means for racial justice in our country. And one experience I have had firsthand, which has helped me to understand privilege and listen to privilege talk without feeling defensive, is riding my bike. Now, I know, it sounds a little goofy at first. But stick with me. Because I think that this can be an analogy that might help some white people understand privilege talk without feeling like they’re having their character attacked. About five years ago I decide to start riding my bike as my primary mode of transportation. As in, on the street, in traffic. Which is enjoyable for a number of reasons (exercise, wind in yer face, the cool feeling of going fast, etc.) But thing is, I don’t live in Portland or Minneapolis. I live in the capital city of the epicenter of the auto industry: Lansing, Michigan. This is not, by any stretch, a bike-friendly town. And often, it is down-right dangerous to be a bike commuter here. Now sometimes its dangerous for me because people in cars are just blatantly a**holes to me. If I am in the road—where I legally belong—people will yell at me to get on the sidewalk. If I am on the sidewalk—which is sometimes the safest place to be—people will yell at me to get on the road. People in cars think its funny to roll down their window and yell something right when they get beside me. Or to splash me on purpose. People I have never met are angry at me for just being on a bike or for being in “their” road and they let me know with colorful language and other acts of aggression. I can imagine that for people of color life in a white-majority context feels a bit like being on a bicycle in midst of traffic. They have the right to be on the road, and laws on the books to make it equitable, but that doesn’t change the fact that they are on a bike in a world made for cars. Remembering this when I’m on my bike in traffic has helped me to understand what privilege talk is really about. Now most people in cars are not intentionally aggressive toward me. But even if all the jerks had their licenses revoked tomorrow, the road would still be a dangerous place for me. Because the whole transportation infrastructure privileges the automobile. It is born out of a history rooted in the auto industry that took for granted that everyone should use a car as their mode of transportation. It’s not built to be convenient or economical or safe for me. And so people in cars—nice, non-aggressive people—put me in danger all the time because they see the road from the privileged perspective of a car. E.g., I ride on the right side of the right lane. Very few people change lanes to pass me (as they would for another car) or even give me a wide berth. Some people fly by just inches from me not realizing how scary and dangerous that is for me (like if I were to swerve to miss some roadkill just as they pass). These non-aggressive close-passers don’t realize that a pothole or a build up of gravel or a broken bottle, which they haven’t given me enough room to avoid and which they don’t even have to be aware of, could send me flying from my bike or cost me a bent rim or a flat tire. So the semi driver who rushes past throwing gravel in my face in his hot wake isn’t necessarily a bad guy. He could be sitting in his cab listening to Christian radio and thinking about nice things he can do for his wife. But the fact that “the system” allows him to do those things instead of being mindful of me is a privilege he has that I don’t. (I have to be hyper-aware of him). This is what privilege is about. Like drivers, nice, non-aggressive white people can move in the world without thinking about the “potholes” or the “gravel” that people of color have to navigate, or how things that they do—not intending to hurt or endanger anyone—might actually be making life more difficult or more dangerous for a person of color. Nice, non-aggressive drivers that don’t do anything at all to endanger me are still privileged to pull out of their driveway each morning and know that there are roads that go all the way to their destination. They don’t have to wonder if there are bike lanes and what route they will take to stay safe. In the winter, they can be certain that the snow will be plowed out of their lane into my lane and not the other way around. And it’s not just the fact that the whole transportation infrastructure is built around the car. It’s the law, which is poorly enforced when cyclists are hit by cars, the fact that gas is subsidized by the government and bike tires aren’t, and just the general mindset of a culture that is in love with cars after a hundred years of propaganda and still thinks that bikes are toys for kids and triathletes. So when I say the semi driver is privileged, it isn’t a way of calling him a bad person or a man-slaughterer or saying he didn’t really earn his truck, but just way of acknowledging all that–infrastructure, laws, government, culture–and the fact that if he and I get in a collision, I will probably die and he will just have to clean the blood off of his bumper. In the same way, talking about racial privilege isn’t a way of telling white people they are bad people or racists or that they didn’t really earn what they have. It’s a way of trying to make visible the fact that system is not neutral, it is not a level-playing field, it’s not the same experience for everyone. There are biases and imbalances and injustices built into the warp and woof of our culture. (The recent events in Ferguson, Missouri, should be evidence enough of this). Not because you personally are a racist, but because the system has a history and was built around this category “race” and that’s not going to go away over night (or even in 100 years). To go back to my analogy: Bike lanes are relatively new, and still just kind of an appendage on a system that is inherentyly car-centric. So–white readers–the next time someone drops the p-word, try to remember they aren’t calling you a racist or saying you didn’t really earn your college degree, they just want you to try empathize with how scary it is to be on a bike sometimes (metaphorically speaking). One last thing: Now, I know what it is like to be a white person engaged in racial reconciliation or justice work and to feel like privilege language is being used to silence you or to feel frustrated that you are genuinely trying to be a part of the solution not the problem but every time you open your mouth someone says, “Check you privilege.” (I.e., even though privilege language doesn’t mean “You are one of the bad guys,” some people do use it that way). So if you’ll permit me to get a few more miles out of this bike analogy (ya see what I did there?), I think it can help encourage white folks who have felt that frustration to stay engaged and stay humble. I have a lot of “conversations” with drivers. Now, rationally, I know that most drivers are not jerks. But I have a long and consistent history of bad experiences with drivers and so, when I’ve already been honked at or yelled at that day, or when I’ve read a blog post about a fellow cyclist who’s been mowed down by a careless driver, it’s hard for me to stay civil. But when I’m not so civil with “privileged” drivers, it’s not because I hate them, or think they are evil. It’s because it’s the third time that day I got some gravel in the face. So try to remember that even if you don’t feel like a “semi driver,” a person of color might be experiencing you the way a person on a bike experiences being passed by a semi. Even if you’re listening to Christian radio. |
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Re: A Comparsion: Riding a bike and being discriminated by drivers |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 30 14:29:04 2014, in response to A Comparsion: Riding a bike and being discriminated by drivers, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 06:14:42 2014. Another white-boy who now has to come up with rediculous theories in order to feel "at one" with his kids.I grew up working class. There was NO priviledge from the whites and Puerto Ricans I grew up with. |
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Re: A Comparsion: Riding a bike and being discriminated by drivers |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 15:30:43 2014, in response to Re: A Comparsion: Riding a bike and being discriminated by drivers, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 30 14:29:04 2014. "I grew up working class. There was NO priviledge from the whites and Puerto Ricans I grew up with. "HMM......I sense that the BILLBKLYN dude is either in DENIAL like Olog-hai or really that dumb. Which? Why mock the author of the article because why? he is making a SIMPLE comparison between how people treat other people and you, the big mouth from Brooklyn, with 3 degrees in "street psychology," want to downplay any sort of "privilege." Yes......I know people who worked their butts off to make a living. Look at rbka, who toiled the office hours to attain his ranch with 40 acres. I don't doubt he worked hard for it, but lets look at one word........ OPPORTUNITIES Some people get them and some DO NOT. How you get them is also plays into the picture. If you got no help getting a good-paying job and are forced to survive at minimum pay at McDonalds to eat and have a roof over your head, has does that future outlook look? how many years will it take to be a manager there? will I get beat out but someone with a college degree? or someone who is related to the boss or a friend of the boss and that person gets it and I don't? Yes.....BILLBKLYN...life can be a "tricky" deal for some. The path for many is also different. But to be so "blinded" like you are to the knowledge that privilege comes in various forms, is appalling. Here I and others have given you examples and you just "throw it under the bus" routine......why? why not be OPEN-MINDED for once to the possibility that privilege exist and then it quite often comes in a "MILD" form and may not be so visible for you to understand at times. How many times have you been mistreated by the NYPD while growing up in Brooklyn? or your family members? or close friends from the neighborhood? could they have been treated better by the cops if it did happen? |
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Re: A Comparsion: Riding a bike and being discriminated by drivers |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 30 17:04:28 2014, in response to Re: A Comparsion: Riding a bike and being discriminated by drivers, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 15:30:43 2014. Yes, there are priviledges, but *I* think it comes from wealth, NOT race.Big mouth? Yes. I'm part Irish, we don't shut up for nothing! I'm not in denial, BUT since I know it never happened to me, I cannot relate to it. My grandfather, father, uncle, brother is/was cops. So I was never mistreated. |
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Re: A Comparsion: Riding a bike and being discriminated by drivers |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Aug 31 10:03:27 2014, in response to Re: A Comparsion: Riding a bike and being discriminated by drivers, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 30 17:04:28 2014. "Yes, there are priviledges, but *I* think it comes from wealth, NOT race. "Now we are getting somewhere......you really don't know......how it works.....this PRIVILEGE. You think privilege is some rich person's world and not yours since you always had to bust your butt to make money. But the fact is your have had privilege, not based on your wealth but the color of your skin. You don't have the fear that someone cop with mistakenly arrest your either at the mall or somewhere else because of your skin color. You don't have to worry when applying for a job that the interviewer might harbor prejudices against you because of your skin color. In other words, you have more freedom to do what you want to do and not have any real hesitation based on your race. |
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Re: A Comparsion: Riding a bike and being discriminated by drivers |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Aug 31 22:00:35 2014, in response to Re: A Comparsion: Riding a bike and being discriminated by drivers, posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Aug 31 10:03:27 2014. I have a government job so the color of my skin could have actually worked against me, as I wasn't "what they wanted" at the time, (and now).And yes, I HAVE been mistaken for "someone else" more than once... Everyone has the same freedoms and intelligent people of ALL shades and hues go about their lives without some "racial shackles" around their necks.... |
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Re: Sorry, Olog; You're Still An Idiot |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 2 19:35:22 2014, in response to Re: Sorry, People; Liberal America is Still Racist, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 28 08:16:35 2014. ...because any high school graduate can answer those questions.Sorry, I skipped Mind Reading, ESP, and General Psychic Studies in high school. You'll have to tell me what you believe rather than just expecting me to know it. But hey, if "any high school graduate" knows the answers— hey, Streetcarman, you graduated high school, right? Does Olog support gay marriage? Can you think of three people he believes aren't liberal? I won't do it for you, least of all because I'm a Nazi but I don't want to face the social consequences of admitting that openly. Fixed that for you. So what is your Stormfront handle, anyway? |
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Re: Sorry, Black People; White America is Still Racist |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 2 19:35:33 2014, in response to Re: Sorry, Black People; White America is Still Racist, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 28 08:05:41 2014. That, um, doesn't actually make any sense in this context. |
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Re: Sorry, Nilet: You're still a moron |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 2 19:57:51 2014, in response to Re: Sorry, Olog; You're Still An Idiot, posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 2 19:35:22 2014. Thanks for admitting you didn't graduate high school. |
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Re: Sorry, Nilet: You're still a moron |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Sep 2 20:00:54 2014, in response to Re: Sorry, Nilet: You're still a moron, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 2 19:57:51 2014. HA HA HA IAWTLP |
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Re: I'm As Smart As Canby (but also as dumb as Canby). |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 2 20:40:07 2014, in response to Re: Sorry, Nilet: You're still a moron, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Sep 2 20:00:54 2014. 
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Re: Sorry, Olog: You're still a moron |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 2 20:40:45 2014, in response to Re: Sorry, Nilet: You're still a moron, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 2 19:57:51 2014. I said nothing of the sort.In fact, I said the exact opposite. Now answer the questions. |
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