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Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 21 00:34:19 2014 HuffPo Storyexerpt: It's worth noting that arguing with a cop and even verbally abusing one, as well as asking for a badge number, are not illegal actions, though they have been known to lead to punishment or arrest. Dutta goes on to admit that police officers aren't perfect and some have been known to be corrupt bullies, but he says your best bet is to swallow your pride, stay quiet and submit to any unlawful actions by police. I think we're in trouble. your pal, Fred |
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Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 21 00:38:23 2014, in response to Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 21 00:34:19 2014. Maybe we are but you and I do not want to become casualties of the war. It's far safer to comply and then complain than it is to fight the battle out in the streets. |
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Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 21 00:40:51 2014, in response to Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 21 00:38:23 2014. As far as direct contact I tend to agree but the big picture needs to change and perhaps requiring them to wear cameras to record every interaction might take some of the rogue out of the equation.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Aug 21 00:45:10 2014, in response to Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 21 00:34:19 2014. yeah unlawful actions |
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Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Aug 21 00:52:27 2014, in response to Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 21 00:34:19 2014. 
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Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 21 01:05:53 2014, in response to Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 21 00:40:51 2014. agreed. One of the tactical officers in Ferguson was indefinitely suspended last night for threatening to "F**king kill" a protester if he/she didn't move back. It was caught on camera. |
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Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Aug 21 01:58:43 2014, in response to Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 21 00:34:19 2014. ... but he says your best bet is to swallow your pride, stay quiet and submit to any unlawful actions by police.And then have your civil rights lawsuit thrown out on the grounds that you "consented" to whatever they did. After all, simply saying "I don't consent to that search" counts as "mouthing off" and therefore justifies the cop shooting you. It's like the constitution doesn't even mean anything anymore. |
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Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Aug 21 02:06:21 2014, in response to Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 21 00:38:23 2014. It's far safer to comply and then complain than it is to fight the battle out in the streets.The problem is that complaining doesn't do anything. Who are you going to complain to? It's very rare that any police department is subject to any oversight— the CCRB in New York is the exception, not the rule. The only effective way to "complain" after the fact is by suing the police department (or the city, etc) and that requires that you assert yourself on the street— if you "comply" with an illegal search or seizure, the courts will assume you "consented" to it, making it impossible to sue. Moreover, you'd be wise to have a video recording of the incident so you can prove it happened, which will inevitably require you to disregard the cops' (illegal) order to stop recording. |
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Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up—Even If We're Violating Your Rights |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 21 04:06:50 2014, in response to Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 21 00:34:19 2014. That's what you voted for! Fundamental transformation.Things are bad when the Huffy Post has to agree with the libertarians at Reason.com, too (even if they misspell J.D. Tuccille's last name). |
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Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 06:55:39 2014, in response to Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 21 00:34:19 2014. |
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Re: Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Aug 21 09:51:44 2014, in response to Veteran Cop: 'If You Don't Want To Get Shot,' Shut Up -- Even If We're Violating Your Rights, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 21 00:34:19 2014. Agreed. The few encounters I've had with police (all traffic stops)... I've just wanted to get out of the situation alive, and without getting roughed up. I honestly believe that the police are out of control. I think that many are so used to getting away with things, that they're almost always willing to cross the line.Years ago I recall Giuliani, and Safir announcing that NYPD officers would be addressing people they encounter as Sir/Madam and so on. My thought then was... That's fine and dandy if that happens, but most importantly I think people simply don't want to be abused (verbally and/or physically) when dealing with police. |
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