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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jun 25 10:27:16 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jun 24 21:35:07 2011.

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I hear some jobs pay very well. A photographer friend of mine was offered $150k to work there for a year taking pics under contract

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jun 25 10:37:27 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jun 25 10:27:16 2011.

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under certain circumstances its tax free.

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Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Jun 25 13:35:51 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 24 11:35:11 2011.

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Have you ever exited the Schengen Area by land? I have an exit stamp from when I did so 3 years ago, once by train, once by car.

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Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 27 22:03:40 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jun 24 04:00:09 2011.

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"Delta is now saying that this was a internet rumor, and that Delta does not discriminate yet has to uphold all visa regulations set by the governments of the countries it serves.


Sorry but this is bullsh1t. It's just Delta's way of damage control. The truth is they won't let anyone on who has Israel stamped on their passports, in other words ANYONE who ever visited Israel, the majority of which are Jewish.

Here's what Abe Foxman of the ADL had to say:

  • "We understand that Delta, as any airline, is required to comply with the visa requirements of the destination country," wrote Mr. Foxman in a letter to Delta CEO Richard H. Anderson. "However, Saudi Arabia's past practice of banning travelers with an "Israel" stamp in their passport from gaining entry into the country runs contrary to the spirit and intent of Delta's non-discrimination policy.



    "While this practice affects all travelers who previously visited Israel, it has a disproportionate impact on Jewish passengers," continued Mr. Foxman. "Moreover, Saudi Arabia also bars anyone from bringing into Saudi Arabia religious ritual objects, including religious texts, from any faith other than Islam, effectively banning religiously observant Jews from entering the country."



    In a statement posted on the airline's Web site on June 23, a Delta spokesman stated that, "…it's important to realize that visa requirements to enter any country are dictated by that nation's government, not the airlines, and they apply to anyone entering the country regardless of whether it's by plane, bus or train."



    The League responded, "We expect Delta, and any other American airline which flies to Riyadh or partners with an airline that flies there to ensure that its passengers – whatever their faith – not be discriminated against, and that no American airline in any way enable, or facilitate this discrimination, whatever the regulations of Saudi Arabia."

I usually disagree with the ADL because of their ultra liberal stance on issues that are contrary to Jewish Law but I agree 100% on this issue. The full ADL article can be found here: http://www.adl.org/PresRele/DiRaB_41/6074_41.htm


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Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines

Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 27 22:06:29 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 27 22:03:40 2011.

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Delta doesn't fly to Saudi Arabia, nor do they intend to. They're partnering with a Saudi Airline that does.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines

Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jun 27 22:37:26 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 27 22:03:40 2011.

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However, if it's as currently done, this will only be a codeshare flight, where Saudi Arabian Airlines (currently the only carrier that flies from the USA to Saudi Arabia) will be flying the plane.

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Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jun 28 10:14:25 2011, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 27 22:03:40 2011.

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"Delta spokesman stated that, "…it's important to realize that visa requirements to enter any country are dictated by that nation's government, not the airlines"

The government of Saudi Arabia forced them into a partnership? Where's Congress and the State Department on this?

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Re: Delta Apartheid Airlines

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jun 28 10:15:46 2011, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011.

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Delta now renamed to DAA.

However, please don't show fear or kick any funny acting Muslims off the plane, that's just racist.

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by DaND124 on Tue Jul 22 12:28:25 2014, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011.

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bump

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 22 12:36:28 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by DaND124 on Tue Jul 22 12:28:25 2014.

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Why are you bumping this?

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by DaND124 on Tue Jul 22 12:37:18 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 22 12:36:28 2014.

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too see how people react to it.

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 22 12:53:22 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by DaND124 on Tue Jul 22 12:37:18 2014.

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But why would you want to expose people to this?

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jul 22 13:29:36 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 22 12:53:22 2014.

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Because that's what DaND124 does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 22 14:12:55 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 22 12:53:22 2014.

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But why would you want to expose people to this?

Because Irwin's panties are already in a bunch over Delta not flying into an active war zone.

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Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines

Posted by kew gardens teleport on Tue Jul 22 14:56:57 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jun 27 22:37:26 2011.

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No airline should be allowed to fly to such a country from any Western country.

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by DaND124 on Tue Jul 22 15:51:10 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 22 14:12:55 2014.

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exactly...

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 22 16:34:24 2014, in response to Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dave on Thu Jun 23 20:02:26 2011.

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I thought the Saudis never let any non-Muslims in.

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 22 16:57:48 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 22 16:34:24 2014.

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That's to the holy areas of Mecca.

They let in plenty of non-Muslims. Just not Jews or those who have visited Israel. If they didn't let in non-Muslims they'd have an inusfficient supply of servants.




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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 22 18:01:23 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 22 16:57:48 2014.

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So who cares anyway? With the internet and telecommunications, a lot of business can be transacted without people actually crossing physical borders. And who needs to visit Saudi Arabia?

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 22 20:43:08 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 22 16:57:48 2014.

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Not to mention an insufficient supply of people who know what the hell they're doing around an oil rig.

I don't think Jews are officially banned from Saudi Arabia, but in practice Jews and atheists won't be allowed in.

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 08:13:06 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jul 22 13:29:36 2014.

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Wrong again, Dan Lawrence. Why are you almost always wrong, Dan Lawrence?

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 08:15:48 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 22 14:12:55 2014.

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While it surely would add to his panty twisting, I don't think that outweighs the spread of misinformation.

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 08:31:09 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 22 18:01:23 2014.

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Why are you even mentioning this? You obviously don't understand what is going on.

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jul 26 13:53:46 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 08:13:06 2014.

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Totally wrong again Terrapin Station!!!!!!

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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Jul 26 14:14:46 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jul 26 13:53:46 2014.

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http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/06/24/delta.saudi.arabian.airlines/

Delta takes issue with discrimination claims


By CNN Staff

June 24, 2011 3:22 p.m. EDT



CNN) -- Delta Air Lines came out strongly Friday against reports published online claiming it is discriminating against Jewish passengers through a multi-airline alliance that is set to include Saudi Arabian Airlines.

"Delta Air Lines does not discriminate nor do we condone discrimination against any of our customers in regards to age, race, nationality, religion or gender," the airline said in a statement.

The controversy emerged after a Thursday report was circulated widely across the Web claiming that U.S. Jews would not be able to fly on Delta flights to Saudi Arabia under the airline alliance because of restrictive travel policies imposed by the Saudi government, which adheres to strict Islamic law.

Delta is part of the multi-airline SkyTeam alliance, made up of 14 airlines including Air France and KLM. Saudi Arabian Airlines has been approved by the alliance's member airlines to join in 2012.

In its statement, Delta said it does not operate in Saudi Arabia nor does it codeshare (sell Delta seats on flights operated by other carriers) with airlines that serve that country. Delta said it has no plans to offer codeshare flights or other cross-airline benefits with Saudi Arabian Airlines.

Delta's agreement with the Saudi carrier allows passengers to book tickets on multiple airlines "similar to the standard interline agreements American Airlines, US Airways and Alaska Airlines have with Saudi Arabian Airlines," the statement said.

The Anti-Defamation League, an international organization that fights anti-Semitism, wrote a letter to Delta urging the airline to reject discriminatory policy.

"We understand that Delta, as any airline, is required to comply with the visa requirements of the destination country," wrote ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman in a letter to Delta's CEO. "However, Saudi Arabia's past practice of banning travelers with an 'Israel' stamp in their passport from gaining entry into the country runs contrary to the spirit and intent of Delta's non-discrimination policy."

The Saudi government, one of the world's most restrictive, has addressed the reports, denying many of the claims about its travel policies.

"Rumors being circulated via the Internet regarding passenger flight restrictions on Saudi Arabian Airlines are completely false. The Government of Saudi Arabia does not deny visas to U.S. citizens based on their religion," the Saudi Arabian Embassy said in a statement.

The Saudi embassy told CNN it does not deny visas because of Israeli passport stamps, although it does not issue visas to Israeli passport holders because Saudi Arabia doesn't recognize Israel. The Saudi embassy said that Israel doesn't grant visas to Saudi Arabians.

Applicants for Saudi visas must specify Muslim or non-Muslim to determine who is granted access to the holy sites, the embassy said.

CNN's Lisa Sylvester, Vivian Kuo and Marnie Hunter contributed to this report.


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Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jul 27 13:29:51 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines: U.S. Jews Banned To Fly on Delta Flights to Saudi Arabia, posted by AlM on Tue Jul 22 16:57:48 2014.

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We call slaves servants now do we?

There's a lot of places they can't go or use besides the so called "holy areas" too.

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Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines

Posted by R30A on Mon Jul 28 00:39:23 2014, in response to Re: Delta Airlines Now Says Governments Set Visa Requirements, not Airlines, posted by kahlua on Fri Jun 24 12:03:57 2011.

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You don't have to show your ID for Amtrak. You just have to provide the information about it.

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