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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 8 18:30:03 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu May 8 15:01:12 2014. He considers himself "moderate..."Well you can't seem to name any views I hold that are "extreme" so it seems you consider me moderate too. ...and believes Clinton and even Obama are rightists. If Clinton was liberal, then why did he sign Gramm-Leach-Bliley? If Obama is liberal, then why don't we have single-payer health care? You know, I'm pretty sure I've asked you that before but you've never provided a satisfactory answer; in fact, you just ignored me entirely and posted this exact same talking point later. His perception of "center" is highly distorted. Talk about projection. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 8 18:32:03 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 8 16:58:56 2014. Abortion was legalized in 1973 (nationally). It has only become more restricted since then.ObamaCare is the conservative solution to HCR. It was proposed by the heritage foundation in the early 1990s and is essentially national RomneyCare. Affirmative Action is also being weakened. And for the wrong reasons. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 8 18:32:49 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Nilet on Thu May 8 18:26:16 2014. Bush I did and got hammered for his "read my lips" no new tax pledge. Bush I was a centrist IMO.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 8 18:37:12 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Fred G on Thu May 8 18:28:35 2014. From your mouth to the Flying Spaghetti Monster's ears |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 8 18:39:17 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Fred G on Thu May 8 18:32:49 2014. Bush was right of center, and Clinton just left of center IMO. Bush's son was way to right. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 8 18:44:33 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 8 16:58:56 2014. Same-sex marriage is a very liberal policy.It's a human right. That it's considered "liberal" shows just how far to the right we really are. So is ABORTION. No it isn't. Abortion isn't even a policy or position; it's a medical procedure. Bodily autonomy is a human right, and it includes the right to undergo a medical procedure that you deem to be in your interest after having evaluated the pertinent facts. That respect for bodily autonomy is considered "liberal" further shows how far to the right we really are. Affirmative action? What about it? It barely exists. Given that people who were consigned to inferior houses, schools, and jobs due to segregation are demonstrably worse off for it and given that many of those people are still very much alive today, it should be fairly non-controversial that reparations are due to them as compensation for their financial losses. Yet in our supposedly liberal country, that position isn't even discussed except on the fringe. Welfare is liberal. Welfare reform is conservative. And since it's been "reformed" almost out of existence, I'm sure you'll agree to our country's rightward tilt. ObamaCare is liberal. *snerk* *giggle* *mpff* HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Seriously? Clintoncare wasn't really liberal, and Obamacare is the conservative alternative to that. Written by Republicans in the 90s as the conservative option, it was dusted off by Obama a decade later and declared the liberal option by Republicans, conservaDems, and the right wing media. And you're claiming it's evidence we're moving left? This nation is far more Left than 30 years ago. And it's going to continue to tilt Left. I'll give you this one— overall, I'd say the people are more liberal than they were 30 years ago and by a fair margin. Unfortunately, the government has grown much less responsive to the interests and desires of the people, sending America further to the right. A continued leftward tilt on average is to be expected, though, as that's just how the natural progress of history works. There's a reason liberals are sometimes called "progressives." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 8 20:07:10 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Fred G on Thu May 8 18:24:39 2014. Fully agreed. The folks who seem to think differently have no idea of just how far right this country's gone since the 80's, to its absolute detriment. :( |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 8 20:34:20 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Thu May 8 18:39:17 2014. Clinton moved to the left significantly after his term ended. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu May 8 21:01:49 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Thu May 8 18:39:17 2014. You are correct. Bush I and clinton were centrists....just on either side of the middle. I would say Bush II was "way right" but more so than Bush I or obviously Clinton. Bush II us about right as Obama is left. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu May 8 21:02:20 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Thu May 8 18:39:17 2014. You are correct. Bush I and clinton were centrists....just on either side of the middle. I wouldn't say Bush II was "way right" but more so than Bush I or obviously Clinton. Bush II us about right as Obama is left. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 8 21:05:20 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Nilet on Thu May 8 20:34:20 2014. Yes. He was always a friend to women in his policies. That made a big difference in getting our business going. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 8 21:10:39 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu May 8 21:01:49 2014. Obama isn't very far left at all. I'd say he's about the same as Clinton, but too inclined to educratness' tendency to desire consensus, which has damaged his principles every time as he sought same. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 8 21:30:18 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu May 8 21:01:49 2014. Bush II us about right as Obama is left.Then you'll have no trouble providing some of the many issues on which they disagree? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 8 22:12:43 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Thu May 8 21:10:39 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 08:40:22 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Nilet on Thu May 8 13:09:48 2014. Once again, no you didn't. I don't care who you've argued with. I'm asking who here takes you seriously even if they disagree with you. In other words, not counting Selkirk, bingbong, streetcarmut, Edwards, JayZeeBMT, and salaam, who on this website really takes you seriously? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 14:17:17 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 08:40:22 2014. Once again, no you didn't.Try again. Just there. I don't care who you've argued with. I'm asking who here takes you seriously even if they disagree with you. You don't care who I've argued with but you want to know about people who disagree with me? In other words, not counting Selkirk, bingbong, streetcarman, Edwards, JayZeeBMT, and salaam, who on this website really takes you seriously? Ah, so not counting all the people who take me seriously, who takes me seriously? Well if you get arbitrarily exclude everyone who takes me seriously, then exactly what kind of answer were you expecting to get? OK, tell you what, I'll let you exclude those specific individuals regardless of your reasoning but it's only fair that I then get to exclude morons whose opinions are irrelevant. So not counting Selkirk, bingbong, streetcarman, Edwards, JayZeeBMT, salaam, GP Chris, Spider-Pig, Olog, WMATA, Gamera, Chris R16, Lion, AlM. and yourself, who takes me seriously? I hate to speak on behalf of other people (that's your thing, not mine) but Fred and chuchubob seem obvious contenders, as does italianstallion. I'm never sure about LuchAAA; I'm not sure if he's ever serious. Honestly, after both of our exclusion lists, there aren't all that many regulars left. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 14:28:10 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 14:17:17 2014. Why attack me again? Makes no sense.We had two discussions. One about the hypocrisy of liberals who are opposed to a homeless shelter in their own neighborhood. The other about the meaning of the confederate flag today. Those aren't serious discussions? In addition, I have had some very lengthy debates about aviation, diet, Dennis Prager, Brentwood, and 80's music. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:34:37 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 14:17:17 2014. By excluding those "morons" you're only helping my cause so I'm not sure where you're going with that. Anyhow, assuming they've read your recent posts on OTChat, even if they once took you seriously, I doubt Fred G and *church*bob take you seriously anymore. As for the horse, maybe, I dunno. And then LuchAAA - yeah...no. So it's just the horse? Of all the regulars here, and there are many more then these people you've named, only one person takes you seriously? You don't think that's something to be concerned about?And I haven't even touched on the issue of how all the people in the bingbong list, the ones we both agree that agree with you and take you seriously, are basically insane. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 14:46:36 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 08:40:22 2014. And even Selkirk and bingbong don't take him seriously....they must laugh their asses off when they make what appears to be a serious post in response to him. And in my opinion even Edwards laughs his ass off about him. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:53:06 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 14:46:36 2014. I'm not so sure. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 14:53:40 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:34:37 2014. And then LuchAAA - yeah...no.I'm on your radar too? I'd say most people take Nilet seriously. What is wrong with his posts? They're intelligent and coherent. Seems to have a good vocabulary too. You may not agree with him, but he's worthy of being taken seriously. He's not clownish like streetcarman1 or Edwards! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:55:15 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 14:53:40 2014. I disagree. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 14:55:55 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 14:46:36 2014. Edwards! ?You lost the argument right there. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri May 9 15:01:23 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 14:46:36 2014. When did you decide to make unfounded statements about the motives of others? Do you know we're far more likely to laugh at YOU than him? Fact is, we do laugh at you. Often.Don't spread lies. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 15:09:47 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Fri May 9 15:01:23 2014. Thanks for the support. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 15:13:37 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 14:28:10 2014. bump. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 15:28:26 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 15:13:37 2014. bump |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 15:32:14 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 15:28:26 2014. another bump.I hope to read a reply when I get back from my evening swim. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 9 15:33:03 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 14:55:15 2014. Me too. LuchAAA is an idiot who thinks that vocabulary is a sign of intelligence. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 15:34:21 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 9 15:33:03 2014. There are other factors besides vocabulary.For example, you're an idiot who went to an elite HS. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 9 15:42:04 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 15:34:21 2014. No, I'm not.What part of Nilet's posts are intelligent and coherent? They only seem that way to you because you don't know any better. Those of us who do can see his intellectual vapidity. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 15:44:47 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 14:55:55 2014. Edwards fought with him from the religious side |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 15:47:13 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Fri May 9 15:01:23 2014. Haha!!!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 15:47:13 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Fri May 9 15:01:23 2014. Haha!!!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 15:47:13 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Fri May 9 15:01:23 2014. Haha!!!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 15:47:13 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Fri May 9 15:01:23 2014. Haha!!!! Don't you think I know what you two do. I have been in this community since 1998. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 15:47:13 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Fri May 9 15:01:23 2014. Haha!!!! Don't you think I know what you two do. I have been in this community since 1998. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 15:47:13 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Fri May 9 15:01:23 2014. Haha!!!! Don't you think I know what you two do. I have been in this community since 1998. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 15:47:13 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by bingbong on Fri May 9 15:01:23 2014. Haha!!!! Don't you think I know what you two do. I have been in this community since 1998. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 15:48:30 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 15:47:13 2014. Sorry. Connection problems. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri May 9 15:51:56 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 9 15:47:13 2014. Obviously not. You wouldn't be spreading lies otherwise. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 15:57:11 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 9 15:42:04 2014. Goodly post. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 9 15:57:27 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 9 15:33:03 2014. Yay. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 21:32:27 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 14:28:10 2014. no reply from Nilet.attack without attacking. Passive-aggressive behavior indeed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 10 09:36:40 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu May 8 21:02:20 2014. Bush II was far more right than Obama is left. Obama is hardly left at all. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 10 09:58:49 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 10 09:36:40 2014. It's hard to make left-right comparisons. Partly it's that the center has moved, and partly it's that Obama's actions are more right wing than his words.Obama tax rates are lower than Clinton tax rates. Clinton proposed single health care but couldn't get it passed. Obama got Romneycare passed. Obama is operating Guantanamo, but on the other hand the people there have engaged in a massive war against the US that was much smaller scale before Bush II. Obama has done nothing to preserve wilderness land; Clinton created the huge Escalante-Grand Staircase National Monument. Under Obama, it's much easier to develop oil and gas than under Clinton. So there is a case to be made (though it can also be countered) that Obama is more rightist than Clinton. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 10 10:09:39 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by AlM on Sat May 10 09:58:49 2014. I agree with that case. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 12:02:51 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 9 15:32:14 2014. Alright already, I'm back! Quit with the bumping!Anyway, I didn't intend to insult you but the fact remains I find you a bit hard to read. As such, I can never be completely certain as to whether you're serious or not. I do kind of picture you looking like Strong Bad, though. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 12:31:13 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 9 15:42:04 2014. What part of Nilet's posts are intelligent and coherent?The parts that don't say "lol," "lmao," or various childish insults? Come on, you're the last person who should be throwing stones here. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 12:31:45 2014, in response to Re: GMO Labeling Bill Passes VT Legislature, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 12:31:13 2014. Correction: GP Chris and/or Olog are the last people who should be throwing stones here. But you're definitely close. |
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