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KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 00:28:07 2014

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Topeka Capital-Journal

Brownback approves bill nullifying local gun regulations

Bill strips local restrictions on open carry, gun sales and transport

Posted: April 23, 2014 10:11am
By Andy Marso
Gov. Sam Brownback has signed legislation nullifying city and county gun restrictions and ensuring that it is legal across the state to openly carry firearms.

The governor announced his action Wednesday. The new law will take effect July 1. The National Rifle Association has described it as a model for stripping local officials of their gun-regulating power.

The bill would sweep away local restrictions on open carry, though cities and counties could prevent people from doing so in public buildings.

The measure also would prevent cities and counties from enacting restrictions on firearm sales or how guns are stored and transported.

Rich Eckert, Shawnee County counselor, said the bill's effect locally could be limited, as Shawnee County already allows concealed carry and doesn’t have restrictions on transporting guns.

Those who have federal gun dealer licenses have always been able to sell out of their homes, he said, regardless of local zoning.

“We couldn’t stop you, that was an exemption, so we’ve never really messed with gun sales at all," Eckert said. "So it won’t have any practical effect in what we already do.”

Chad Sublet, attorney for the city of Topeka, said he is still reviewing the bill.

Like Eckert, he said he didn’t believe it would have much effect on current city ordinances. But it would prevent the city from enacting gun-related statutes in the future.

“At first glance it appears it definitely preempts most everything we could do as a city,” Sublet said.

Supporters of the bill say a patchwork of local regulations has infringed on gun ownership rights. But critics say local officials know their communities best.

Melissa Wangemann, legal counsel for the Kansas Association of Counties, said the bill shows a lack of trust in local elected officials and a mistaken assumption that they will enact onerous gun-control regulations.

“I have plenty of counties who are very pro-Second Amendment and can easily decide on their own to open the courthouse to concealed carry and allow employees to carry,” Wangemann said.

Wangemann's organization testified against portions of the bill, focusing their efforts on a provision that prevents local governments from asking public employees if they have a concealed-carry license and are carrying firearms at work.

Wangemann said the bill strips local government of all control over the workplace environment when it comes to weapons.

“We can’t enact any regulation," she said. "We can't say 'keep your safety on, keep the gun on your side, don’t lay it on your desk.' ”

Wangemann said that could create intimidating situations for citizens, such as if they walk into a tax appeal hearing and the tax appraiser has a gun on his or her desk.

Personnel decisions, she said, also could become more tense.

“We talked about if you’re firing an employee, the employer might like to know if the employee is packing heat at the time you’re firing them,” Wangemann said.

Wangemann said legislators added a clause in the bill stating that cities and counties can’t be sued for gun violence their employees perpetrate in the workplace.

“We didn’t ask for it, but I think after hearing the concerns that was added,” Wangemann said.

Wangemann said the bill also wipes out local regulations on knives.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 24 00:44:42 2014, in response to KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 00:28:07 2014.

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Excellent! Another place for republicans to move to! Maybe Prince Andrew is on to something after all. :)

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 06:03:22 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 24 00:44:42 2014.

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Not that you'll ever be accused of confusing the issue with facts but the gun murders per 100,000 in Kansas are 2.2 while in NY it's 2.7.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 09:53:37 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 06:03:22 2014.

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Looks like that's about to change......

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 10:01:43 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 09:53:37 2014.

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Possibly even lower now for Kansas. For example, Colorado is open carry and their gun murders per 100,000 inhabitants is 1.3 vs. 2.7 for NY. Kentucky is OC and tied with NY but Arizona is higher at 3.6. Montana is 1.2 but Nevada is 3.1. Ohio is also tied with NY. It remains to be seen whether or not open carry will increase or decrease the gun murder rate.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 10:43:40 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 10:01:43 2014.

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I disagree. More guns=more death. Simply increasing the opportunity will increase the carnage.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 10:48:29 2014, in response to KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 00:28:07 2014.

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This is a law needed in Illinois, not necessarily Kansas.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 10:49:04 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 09:53:37 2014.

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It never has before. Why would it now?

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Apr 24 10:54:36 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 10:43:40 2014.

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You disagree with statistics? There is also the converse that being able to shoot to disarm someone with a gun will prevent the criminal from shooting more people. What the data tells me is that there is more than just having guns that leads to increases in gun violence when restrictions are lifted. Would be interested to see if there is some correlation between drug use and whether the rates increase or decrease when there are more guns

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 11:04:25 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Apr 24 10:54:36 2014.

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Read the OP. mayors of cities, where guns become a significant threat to civil order, are very concerned.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Apr 24 11:07:32 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 11:04:25 2014.

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I do not see any mayors being quoted in the article that was posted

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 11:10:52 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Apr 24 11:07:32 2014.

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Chad Sublet, attorney for the city of Topeka, said he is still reviewing the bill.

Like Eckert, he said he didn’t believe it would have much effect on current city ordinances. But it would prevent the city from enacting gun-related statutes in the future.

“At first glance it appears it definitely preempts most everything we could do as a city,” Sublet said.

As violence increases, the city will be unable to do anything about it. That's a concern.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Apr 24 11:13:33 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 11:10:52 2014.

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Chad Sublet IS NOT the Mayor of Topeka. He is the city's Attorney. Also, you are making a big assumption about violence increasing especially since the statistics show that in some places it went down when more lax laws were passed. This leads me to believe that there is more than just the number of guns at play in determining whether the rate will go up or down

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 11:22:01 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Apr 24 11:13:33 2014.

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So what? He'd still be involved in dealing with a gun crime crisis as it happens.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Apr 24 11:24:12 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 11:22:01 2014.

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you specifically said Mayors had come out against it and then said it was in the OP

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 11:42:35 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Apr 24 11:24:12 2014.

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Joining the OCD squad?

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 12:14:05 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 10:43:40 2014.

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The facts disagree with you. In other words, WABB.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 12:33:35 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 12:14:05 2014.

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What facts?

Let's see some. By that, I don't mean NRA horseshit.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 12:37:51 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 12:33:35 2014.

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Accidents also count.

http://www.livescience.com/39813-gun-ownership-increases-firearms-deaths.html

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 24 13:09:31 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Apr 24 10:54:36 2014.

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You disagree with statistics?

OK, explain why Canada has a comparable violent crime rate to the US but half the murders.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 24 13:23:37 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 11:42:35 2014.

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You're unbelievable. Just saying.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 13:29:39 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 10:01:43 2014.

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Makes me wonder why CO voted in so many gun-grabbers.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Apr 24 13:33:49 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 24 13:23:37 2014.

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You're unbelievable. That's why few like you.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 13:40:12 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 10:48:29 2014.

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It's the correct interpretation of the Second Amendment.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 24 14:05:00 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Apr 24 13:33:49 2014.

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Which few?

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 15:24:55 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 12:33:35 2014.

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I see...well, the data I cited came from the U.S. Census and FBI reports, not the NRA. WABB.

You do realize you're as full of shit as a Xmas turkey, don't you?

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 15:30:23 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 15:24:55 2014.

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What "data"? What "source"?

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 15:35:49 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 15:24:55 2014.

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We use a different type of stuffing round here, Dave :D

your pal,
Fred

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 16:03:17 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 15:30:23 2014.

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Okay, I'll type REAL slow for you even though I stated the sources in the last post:

U...S...Census

F..B..I..reports.

It's all available on line and took me less than 5 minutes to find it.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 16:10:13 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 16:03:17 2014.

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photo gunmurders1_zps99cb4054.jpg

photo gunmurders2_zps8503abbb.jpg

photo gunmurders3_zps4a1860d2.jpg

Now go sit in the corner until your kindergarten teacher tells you it's time to go home.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 16:20:22 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 13:40:12 2014.

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Yeah, but there are few places in the state of Kansas that are actively trying to deprive citizens of their 2nd Amendment rights.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 16:26:16 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 16:10:13 2014.

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What about a link?

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 16:28:58 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 16:26:16 2014.

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Oh yeah, forgot something. These are NRA whitewashed stats once they lobbied the Congress to prohibit genuine gun violence stats to be collected by the government. Look it up, it'll take ya all of 5 minutes to find.

Can't trust the government on this one. Too bad. The NRA bought those numbers.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 16:35:23 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 16:28:58 2014.

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So they Census Bureau and the FBI are using NRA whitewashed statistics in their reports. I see, it's all very clear now. Thank you.

You are one very, very deluded individual. Seriously, seek competent psychiatric help.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 16:42:24 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 16:35:23 2014.

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Lol! Yeah, sure. Go shoot up Wayne Lapierre if you're so gun crazed. Do us all a favor.

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bingbongology of terror

Posted by dand124 on Thu Apr 24 16:43:41 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 16:42:24 2014.

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Re: bingbongology of terror

Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Apr 24 16:50:14 2014, in response to bingbongology of terror, posted by dand124 on Thu Apr 24 16:43:41 2014.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 24 16:53:14 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 16:35:23 2014.

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Just because your statistics are right doesn't mean bingbong's conclusion is completely wrong.

You've dodged my question concerning Canada, as has everyone else I've posed it to.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by dand124 on Thu Apr 24 16:56:52 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 24 16:53:14 2014.

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i answered last year

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 24 17:11:36 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by dand124 on Thu Apr 24 16:56:52 2014.

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Hmm. Let me think about that again.

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Re: bingbongology of terror

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 24 17:39:08 2014, in response to bingbongology of terror, posted by dand124 on Thu Apr 24 16:43:41 2014.

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+1

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 24 17:40:09 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 24 16:53:14 2014.

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Maybe, but how often has she ever been anything but completely or mostly wrong?

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 24 18:44:51 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by dand124 on Thu Apr 24 16:56:52 2014.

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But your answer is wrong.

All Canada homicides per 100K: 1.6
Canada gun homicides: 0.5
Difference: 1.1


All US: 4.8
US gun: 3.6
Difference: 1.2

So the non-gun homicide rates are very close, but the gun homicide rate in the US is 7 times as much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 24 18:46:08 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 24 17:40:09 2014.

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Just remember that she doesn't distinguish between facts and emotions. :)

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 24 19:34:22 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 06:03:22 2014.

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That's probably because of us up here. Once again, I live upstate. Guns are OK here once you learn how to use them properly. NYC may have different attitudes, so don't pin those on me.

Still ... Kansas has been heading crazier and crazier over the years, know the territory well. Ashcroft is from there as is the Faith Assemblies. It's a perfect place for the right, and perhaps it needs more folks who are unhappy with their lives here.

Unless you want Olog and friends to move to Texas that is. I'm TRYING to do y'all a favor here by recommending Kansas, yo. :)

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 21:21:34 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 24 18:46:08 2014.

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Ahem. I do often, here.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 25 07:05:47 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 21:21:34 2014.

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No you don't.

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Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 25 07:05:57 2014, in response to Re: KS governor signs bill nullifying all gun restrictions in state, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 24 18:46:08 2014.

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:)

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