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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 12:14:34 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 11:51:21 2014.

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Duh. Now answer my questions.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 12:20:21 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 12:14:34 2014.

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This is what the law provides. Do you really think people won't quickly take advantage of that?

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 12:27:58 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 12:20:21 2014.

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You still didn't directly answer my questions. But from your follow up question I will assume that your answer is yes. That you believe what you wrote and that this law will allow all other laws to be broken.

That is insane and the fact that you can't see that is way beyond my understanding.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 13:11:07 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 12:27:58 2014.

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If the law, as written, creates an exemption from all other laws, why can't you see that this is what that law provides. Legislators know full well what language is in their bills, and they put that passage in RFRA very deliberately.

Why you so abjectly fail to grasp this, is beyond me.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Apr 4 13:45:54 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 13:11:07 2014.

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That's typical of Terrapin Station. He thinks everybody else is dumber then him.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 14:04:43 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 13:11:07 2014.

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So to repeat back what you are saying, you're saying that this law, as written and as how you're sure it will be interpreted and enforced, would allow someone to murder someone else in the name of religion.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 14:07:08 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Apr 4 13:45:54 2014.

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Wrong again Dan Lawrence. What's a "dumber then him"?

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 14:13:43 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 14:04:43 2014.

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Depends on what you mean by "enforced." Just because the law says it's murder to kill a black man doesn't mean a white jury will convict.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by busdude2 on Fri Apr 4 14:18:31 2014, in response to This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 18:42:53 2014.

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About time someone did. We have rights too.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 14:19:33 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by busdude2 on Fri Apr 4 14:18:31 2014.

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You have the right to oppress other people?

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Apr 4 14:49:47 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 14:13:43 2014.

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iawtp

trayvon martin !

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 4 15:07:42 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 20:15:03 2014.

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Thing is..what's to stop those "people" from going one or two steps further..?
Denying service to people they don't like by ethnic origin or even being female? The slippery slope is setting all us up for ultimate failure.these people are dangerous..and the very Fact they are elected officials passing laws that will effect All of us in the Wrong way,in the Short run is staggering.

How can any freedom loving person American allow any of this Tea bagging obviously bigoted stance to continue?

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 4 15:09:21 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 4 09:25:53 2014.

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Already is.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 4 15:21:16 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by busdude2 on Fri Apr 4 14:18:31 2014.

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Fuck You!

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:39:13 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 14:13:43 2014.

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Wow, you are one of the most gone people here.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:39:36 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 13:11:07 2014.

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Murder is illegal.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:41:09 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Apr 4 13:45:54 2014.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:41:46 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 3 20:57:39 2014.

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Oh pahleeese.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 4 15:41:59 2014, in response to This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 3 18:42:53 2014.

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This is not unlike the bill Jan Brewer vetoed, and I oppose it for the same reason Brewer did---it could lead to all sorts of problems, as Muslims will seek to abuse the law.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:42:44 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 10:17:01 2014.

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Race is a protected class. Being gay is not a race.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 4 15:43:18 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 3 20:16:43 2014.

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Bingo..and he knows it.
But as usual,he has to challenge the validation of the o.p understanding...and How it pertains to him.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 4 15:43:55 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:41:46 2014.

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When the day comes that the law targets YOU, let's see how fast you change your tune.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 15:49:19 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 14:04:43 2014.

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Why not? A defendant could make that argument, and his lawyers could use that interpretation of Mississippi's law in court. RFRA makes no distinction as to the type of laws one can claim religious immunity from.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:59:12 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 4 15:43:55 2014.

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I didn't say I support this law, I do not. However, let's not get ridiculous

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Apr 4 16:05:31 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:39:13 2014.

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Such jury nullification happens all the time in the South.


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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 4 16:22:53 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:59:12 2014.

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You support the party whose eleted officials wrote and passed this grotesque hateful excuse for anarchy. So there isn't much of a disconnect you can claim.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 16:27:37 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 4 16:22:53 2014.

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I have nothing to do with the people in Mississippi, nor have I ever voted for anyone there.
What you just said is blanket, and nothing is blanket. That's like saying just because there are "Black criminals", (or fill in a blank), that means all Blacks are criminals. That's not correct.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 4 16:34:43 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 16:27:37 2014.

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You support republicans. Who came up with this? Guess what...you are just as much a part of it. They're a national party, at least for now.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 16:43:32 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 15:49:19 2014.

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Why are you talking about a defendant?

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 16:50:46 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 4 16:34:43 2014.

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LOL.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 4 17:09:14 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Apr 4 16:05:31 2014.

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Sad that he doesn't know about. Or chooses to ignore it.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 4 17:12:30 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:42:44 2014.

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Sexual orientation ought to be a protected class as well nationwide.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 4 17:22:04 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 4 16:34:43 2014.

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You won't be laughing when they target you.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 17:24:32 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:39:13 2014.

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And you're apparently racist.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 4 17:43:41 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 14:13:43 2014.

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This law doesn't change anything about jury nullification.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 4 17:46:35 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 4 15:49:19 2014.

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FALSE!!!

It clearly states that the new law does not apply to a anything that would further a compelling government interest and is the least restrictive means of furthering same.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 18:15:28 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 17:24:32 2014.

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Huh?

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 4 18:23:25 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 16:50:46 2014.

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funny..how you laugh because you assume such a thing wouldnt or couldnt affect you...until someone refuses to serve you in one of those states for some crazy reason..like its against their religious beliefs to serve northern "YANKEES"..or you LOOK like you MIGHT be a "homosexual"..or you might have a limp..
discrimination is funny like that..reasoning doesn't fit into this sort of mindset..it is what it is.
not saying you support it either..but silence on the matter..is a "yes" too.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 18:25:36 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 18:15:28 2014.

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You claimed that no white jury has ever acquitted a white person for killing a black person, even though juries did exactly that to the men who killed Trayvon Martin and Oscar Grant, to name just two prominent cases, and even though this fact is blindingly obvious to anyone who pays attention to the world around them.

That means you're a racist. Unless you're arguing that you never keep up with the news, in which case I will happily withdraw my claim that you are racist and call you willfully ignorant instead.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 4 18:27:09 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by TonyG on Fri Apr 4 00:43:02 2014.

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this has NOTHING to do with race..but it can POTENTIALLY be used as backdoor to more suppression bills being created.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 18:28:14 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 4 15:42:44 2014.

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Are you stupid or something? I'm not sure how I can explain this any more simply.



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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 19:07:41 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 18:25:36 2014.

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Huh??? When did I even talk about trevon? Wtf are you babbling about?

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 19:11:14 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 18:28:14 2014.

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You are so far gone that its not even worth debating with. Saying a lot but perhaps the nuttiest person here and that's saying a lot.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 19:17:55 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 19:07:41 2014.

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I said that white juries often acquit white people who murder black people.

You declared that idea to be crazy, necessarily implying that white juries do not acquit white murderers for racist reasons.

I said that your denial of this obvious racism makes you a racist.

You expressed confusion.

So I explained that intentionally denying the existence of racism right in front of your face is a form of racism itself.

Does that help? I honestly didn't expect I'd have to use the thread recap thing for anyone other than Terrapin Station.

Oh, and FYI— the fact that you can't spell Trayvon Martin's name isn't helping your case that you're not a racist.

There is, however, the option of claiming ignorance, which is less ignominious than racism, so I'd suggest that.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 19:27:10 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 19:11:14 2014.

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We weren't debating in the first place; a debate requires that you be willing to accept basic facts and you're far too crazy for that.

You've been posting stupid statements, and I've been making fun of you for them.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Apr 4 19:29:24 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 4 14:07:08 2014.

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YOU ARE!!!!@

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 19:42:54 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 19:17:55 2014.

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Hahaha!!!!!
You are the most irrational person here.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 19:46:15 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 19:42:54 2014.

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Aw, I broke your brain. :(

Look, it's not that I don't take it as a compliment to have crazy people think I'm irrational, but it's just boring when you don't even pretend that you have a rational basis for anything you believe.

So if you persist in posting nothing but whiny insults, I'm afraid I'll have to pull out the CAPTCHA that I normally keep in reserve for Olog.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 19:59:22 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 19:27:10 2014.

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Debating requires a sane person to debate with....of which you are not.

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Re: This Actually Happened In America Today

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 4 19:59:58 2014, in response to Re: This Actually Happened In America Today, posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 19:46:15 2014.

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Lol!!!!!!!!!

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