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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 15 20:33:23 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 15 20:25:05 2013.

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They were the primary victims?

How many people died in concentration camps, total?

Anti-semitism was a European attitude, not just German.

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Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Nov 15 20:37:51 2013, in response to Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 11:06:03 2013.

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Cut off her food!!

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Re: PPP Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 20:43:47 2013, in response to Re: PPP Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 15 19:19:55 2013.

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And just a question from the judges ... how do we score a thread name change? :)

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Rockparkman on Fri Nov 15 20:49:20 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 15 20:02:33 2013.

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FRinge-o

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 20:56:28 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 15 20:28:11 2013.

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What do you suppose happened to those slaves who were sick or weak? Did they get a rocking chair on the porch and a mint julip? I think not. :(

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by bingbong on Fri Nov 15 20:59:41 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 15 20:19:34 2013.

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Wrong, they were both taken from their homes, enslaved and worked to death. The only difference was those Jews that were simply killed. The black slave experience was effectively the same in the Caribbean, Central and South America as those just summarily murdered.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by bingbong on Fri Nov 15 21:01:05 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 15 20:28:11 2013.

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Wrong. His life was cut short due to malnutrition and could seek no medical care for any disease caught.

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Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 15 21:05:54 2013, in response to Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 15 19:01:09 2013.

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I don't use "talking points." I've never read a single article or website condemning the use of the term "Judeo-Christian."

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 15 21:08:50 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 15 20:19:34 2013.

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The swastika predates the Nazis by over 2,000 years.

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Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 15 21:11:02 2013, in response to Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 15 18:44:06 2013.

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Some people consider it offensive. They ought to be offended every single day for the rest of their lives.

It is odd that people have to be proud of their sexuality because some people think they should be ashamed instead.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 15 21:12:04 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 15 20:19:34 2013.

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as oppose to being enslaved by Saxons..?
being murdered..raped..sold..ripped apart from your family..worked to death by greedy men..
are we counting the millions who died coming over...or is that just a "Jewish thing" that only they have cornered?

What disrespectful is reading your outright dismissal of horrors of slavery..comparing it to the blood on Your hands "Man's Inhumanity to Man"..

What the lot of you misunderstand...is the fact that You too are slaves.
enslaved to the corporations..and their bottom line greed..where a man can work for them for 50 years and get shitted on his pension..or laid off without explanation..denied "unemployment" for any stupid reason.
enslaved to some political party's idea of what America Should be..

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Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 15 21:15:56 2013, in response to Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 15 18:51:23 2013.

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No, we don't and we never did. Our country was founded on enlightenment principles and not ancient obscurantism.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 21:17:06 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 15 20:20:41 2013.

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I don't care.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 15 21:19:48 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 15 20:28:11 2013.

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the african slavery was a holocaust in itself
just for beginners

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 15 21:19:54 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 15 19:47:58 2013.

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For once you're right.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 15 21:20:10 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 21:17:06 2013.

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assclown

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 15 21:20:57 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 20:56:28 2013.

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they were murdered SelkirkTMO !!

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 15 21:21:39 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 15 20:33:23 2013.

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Most of them were Jews.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 21:21:52 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Rockparkman on Fri Nov 15 19:56:52 2013.

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TURN IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 15 21:22:45 2013, in response to Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 15 19:55:02 2013.

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I agree that they need to tone down the prurient crap.

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Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 21:24:08 2013, in response to Re: Poll Finds Conservative Americans More Offended By Rainbow Flags Than Confederate Flags, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 15 19:57:56 2013.

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But the reality is that they're not. Ah well ... Howard Stern says that if you hang around lebsians long enough, you might actually get to see them kiss after the catfight. LOL!

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 21:28:12 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 15 21:20:10 2013.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 15 21:28:57 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 21:28:12 2013.

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thats you

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 21:30:09 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 15 21:20:57 2013.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 21:30:26 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 15 21:20:57 2013.

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Yep ... and not even a marked grave. :(

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 21:31:22 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 15 21:28:57 2013.

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Well Thank you.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 21:32:13 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 21:30:09 2013.

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This happened in that fine confederacy ... see why we hating on that flag yet? :(

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 21:33:18 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 15 21:08:50 2013.

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And in many different cultures.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 15 21:35:25 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Nov 15 20:22:03 2013.

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Hah...

The Germans..which I am direct decent..were viscous bastards,with the intent on creating a "master race" of blond hair blue eyed people with plans on ruling the entire world..enslaving everyone else who didn't have those particular visual elements.
The Jew were targeted due a belief they were "Jesus killers"..
Eugenics didnt start with Hitler..but he and other truly believed[like You] it would systematically "thin the herd"..weeding out the "imperfect".

But all of that is nothing,compared to what I have read here as of late by the majority of the so called right.Everyone is entitled to their own opinion..but the extremism.. raw undiluted "exception" rhetoric I'm seeing here is absolutely astounding.

My great grandfather/mother left Germany during the Great War with my Grandfather for America..hoping to find the freedom he could have.
One Very important lesson my grand taught me was this.

Never let another person make you into something they want you to be.
Stand your ground..be your own man.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 21:36:17 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 21:32:13 2013.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 21:42:52 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 15 21:19:54 2013.

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But after the "Southern Strategy" even BYRD got religion.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 21:44:45 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 21:21:52 2013.

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Crank it up even louder! :)



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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 21:46:49 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Nov 15 21:36:17 2013.

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Looks like you wave it proudly. :(

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 15 22:08:37 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 15 20:19:34 2013.

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You're making a fine distinction here.

The holocaust is to the slave trade as murder with intent to kill is to murder resulting from depraved indifference to human life.

The number of dead were roughly comparable (in the millions) and the victims were just as dead either way.

Have you ever chided anyone here for calling Obama a Nazi? That's a far bigger insult to Jews than calling the slave trade comparable to the holocaust.



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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 15 22:15:41 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 15 21:08:50 2013.

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So do flags with cross emblems in general. What's your point?

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 16 00:18:29 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 15 21:21:39 2013.

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80% at concentration camps, 95% at death camps.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 16 00:25:19 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 20:56:28 2013.

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Incidental loss. It was actually in the best interests of the slavers to keep as many alive as possible. Unlike Jews, they weren't unilaterally branded for murder.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 16 01:20:39 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 16 00:25:19 2013.

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I'll just point out that there was a LOT of "incidental loss" and no retirement benefits and leave it there for now. :(

I think BOTH were equally evil.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Fred G on Sat Nov 16 01:47:47 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 15 21:19:48 2013.

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No Chris's right it's apples and oranges
Slavery was forcing people to work without pay.

The Holocaust was rounding them up and killing them just to erase them.

Your pal,
Fred



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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Nov 16 01:56:58 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Fred G on Sat Nov 16 01:47:47 2013.

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what did you think they did with slaves too ?

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 16 02:00:12 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 16 00:25:19 2013.

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no..they were used..then murdered.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 16 02:01:21 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 16 02:00:12 2013.

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Same thing for a good number of Jews too. :(

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Fred G on Sat Nov 16 02:03:09 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Nov 16 01:56:58 2013.

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They didn't round up slaves for the express purpose of killing them. They treated them like cattle and put them to work. There were no death camps in America.

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Nov 16 02:04:54 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Fred G on Sat Nov 16 02:03:09 2013.

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and if you did not co operate you were killed and if you got sick you were killed too
EARLY LYNCHING

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 16 02:09:47 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 16 02:01:21 2013.

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I pointed that out to him earlier..

I find this thread extremely disturbing..

It is the TOP TIER of hellish foolishness to compare the VALUE of which deaths were more "meaningful".

PEOPLE DIED over something so horrendous..so terrible..yet you have witnessed the utter disregard of that fact by the cold callous right wingers here.

Disgusting is the least thing i can say about them..

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Fred G on Sat Nov 16 02:26:52 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Nov 16 02:04:54 2013.

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Right
Nobody is saying that no slaves were killed.

What we're saying is that the Holocaust was a lot worse than slavery was cause they took perfectly healthy people and killed them just because they were Jews. Not because they were sick. Not because they didn't work. But just because of what they were. Death camps not plantations.

Your pal,
Fred





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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 16 02:29:52 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 16 02:09:47 2013.

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Fully agreed.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Fred G on Sat Nov 16 02:37:56 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by bingbong on Fri Nov 15 21:01:05 2013.

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So you're saying he's wrong that it wasn't in a plantation owner's interest to keep the slaves alive?

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Dave on Sat Nov 16 06:58:52 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 15 20:56:28 2013.

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The intention of Nazi soldiers and the intention of slave traders were quite different, a difference that he characterized as follows: the intention of the Nazis was the death of Jews; whereas the death of blacks was not the intention of slave traders, although their actions resulted in a great many blacks actually dying.

Murder vs. manslaughter.

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Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

Posted by Easy on Sat Nov 16 08:22:02 2013, in response to Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors, posted by Dave on Sat Nov 16 06:58:52 2013.

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If their intention was to murder Jews why didn't they kill everyone immediately when they arrived at the camps?

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