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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons

Posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 26 19:10:50 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Sep 26 19:06:10 2013.

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is amazing how poorly you react when people treat you the same way you treat others.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Sep 26 20:05:49 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons, posted by dand124 on Thu Sep 26 19:10:50 2013.

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It's only those who attack others that attack me.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 26 20:32:04 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Sep 26 19:07:19 2013.

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You should stop with the being WA all the time, then we'll talk.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Sep 26 22:59:23 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Sep 26 20:05:49 2013.

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EUEUEUEUEU Central Bank hires Oliver Wyman to audit/"stress test" 130 eurozone banks

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 27 00:33:34 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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EU Observer

ECB hires controversial consultancy for bank audit

25.09.13 @ 09:51
By Valentina Pop
Berlin — The European Central Bank (ECB) on Tuesday (24 September) said it hired Oliver Wyman, a US-based financial consultancy, to help out with a thorough audit of the 130 largest banks in the eurozone.

The review of the banks' balance sheets and capital needs is a prerequisite for the ECB to take on a new task — that of a single supervisor (SSM) for these "systemic" banks.

Oliver Wyman is a known name in the world of eurozone bailouts and bank "stress tests."

Back in 2006, it famously said the Anglo Irish Bank was the best bank in the world. Three years later, the bank had to be nationalized and almost bankrupted the Irish state, which then needed a eurozone bailout.

Last year in the Spanish bank bailout, Oliver Wyman provided eurozone decision-makers with the numbers they expected and which were politically acceptable — around €60 billion instead of a much larger gap that the banks actually had.

Oliver Wyman also did consultancy work in the Portuguese bailout, according to the central bank of Portugal.

The ECB gave no details about the fee or the tender procedures which led to the selection of Oliver Wyman.

It said the firm was "appointed to support the preparation and implementation" of the big banks review.

"Oliver Wyman will support the ECB’s management and coordination and will provide financial advisory services for this project, notably in refining the methodology for the assessment," the ECB said in a press release.

Speaking in the European Parliament on Monday, ECB chief Mario Draghi stressed the importance of this review to be "credible," else it would be "completely useless, if not counterproductive."

But the choice of Oliver Wyman is set to lend credence to claims that it will be a rubber-stamping exercise that banks are lobbying for.

If the balance sheets prove to have too many bad loans and a high risk exposure, there is little the ECB can do — as even the eurozone bailout fund would be too small to fill the gap of big houses like Deutsche Bank or Société Générale.

The worry in eurozone central banks, according to one insider, is that if banks are reviewed too thoroughly and their problems exposed, they will stop lending and revive the financial crisis.


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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Sep 27 20:54:02 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons, posted by Train Dude on Thu Sep 26 22:59:23 2013.

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Go Away Train Dude.

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Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons

Posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Sep 27 21:01:29 2013, in response to Re: (EUEUEUEUEU) Different German court puts ban on circumcision—now for ''psychological'' reasons, posted by Train Dude on Thu Sep 26 22:59:23 2013.

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LMAO!

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EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 29 21:58:40 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Mail on Sunday

EU's £2.4-billion ad budget higher than Coca-Cola's: Huge amount revealed in new 'fiscal factbook' that also details how it has 44 diplomats in Barbados

  • New analysis shows how EU spends the billions it receives from Britain and other member countries
  • Germany is the only member country to contribute more to spending than UK
  • £265,000 spent on cocktail parties and £160,000 on Hungarian dog center that is yet to be built

By Steve Doughty, Social Affairs Correspondent
Published: 17:16 EST, 29 September 2013 | Updated: 17:17 EST, 29 September 2013
The European Union spends more on advertising than the drinks giant Coca-Cola, according to a new analysis of how Brussels uses our money.

Its budget for promoting itself and all its works comes to £2.4 billion a year.

That compares to the £2.13 billion spent in the same year by the soft drinks company on promoting its brand around the world.

The vast scale of the EU’s self-promotion was set down in a new “fiscal factbook” designed to shed light on how Brussels spends the billions it receives from Britain and other member countries.

Small-scale bills highlighted in the report include £160,000 paid towards a yet to open fitness and rehabilitation centre for dogs in Hungary.

And on a larger scale the report details how the ambitions of EU diplomacy has seen 44 diplomats stationed in Barbados, one of Europe’s less-troubled trading partner nations.

It also points to some of the widely-known but often forgotten aspects of EU spending condemned as driven by political folly.

Among these is the annual budget of £150 million for ferrying MEPs and their staff between the European Parliament’s two headquarters buildings in Brussels and Strasbourg to appease politicians in Belgium and France.

The EU Fiscal Factbook, published by the TaxPayers’ Alliance at the Tory conference, is likely to sharpen differences over Europe among the party’s MPs.

It comes at a time of deep anxiety over pressure from UKIP, which demands withdrawal from the EU.

The TPA’s founder, Matthew Elliott, said: “Britain’s contribution to the EU gets bigger every year. That means bigger tax bills for families and too much of the money is wasted. Brussels also makes life difficult for British businesses with draconian regulations. We deserve a better deal. This factbook provides a clear overview of the big picture: how much cash do we hand over every year?”

The dog fitness and rehabilitation center in Hungary highlighted in the report, which includes the development of a hydrotherapy system, was given £160,000 in 2009 to “improve the lifestyle and living standards of dogs”.

Progress has been slow and building work had not even started a year after budget approval. The money went to an IT company called Gyrotech that built new offices which remain empty.

The Court of Auditors has refused to approve the EU budget for 18 successive years over concerns about mismanagement and fraud.

But Herman Van Rompuy, President of the European Council, this month warned the auditors: “Your reports are not released into a void, but into the rough and tumble of political life and media reporting. Every year, they generate headlines that ‘yet again the EU’s accounts have not been signed off’, with deceptive allegations of fraud and mismanagement. We should be teaching Europeans that Europe is not the source of problems, but the solution.”

Since then, the European Commission has told EU members states they should contribute an extra £3.5 billion to Brussels this year to meet unexpected “legal obligations”.

The bailout will bring EU spending this year to £126 billion, 8.4 percent up on the previous year.

Mr. Elliott said yesterday: “Voters want clear facts as we move towards an EU referendum.” The factbook sets out Britain’s net contribution to the EU — the amount paid after taking into account spending by Brussels in Britain — at £7,255 billion in 2011.

This is more than the contributions of France or Italy, and second only to Germany. Spain received more than €3 billion.

Of overall spending, £44 billion this year will go on the Common Agricultural Policy, the farm subsidy system often derided as the means by which France shores up its rural economy.

The CAP paid handouts of more than £250,000 each to 889 British landowners in 2011. and more than £1 million each to 47 landowners. The report calculated the burden of EU regulation on the British economy at £124 billion, or £5,000 for every British household.

The advertising budget included £15 million on a Parliamentarium, opened in 2011 as a supposed tourist attraction, but described by critics as a “propaganda temple”.

The cost of EU advertising was calculated in 2008 by the Open Europe think tank, and includes a broadcast channel, an opinion polling organization, films and huge numbers of publications, funding for sympathetic pressure groups, and special publicity conferences.


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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by rockparkman on Sun Sep 29 22:17:16 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 29 21:58:40 2013.

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So what, retard. The European Union is a hell of a lot bigger than Coca-Cola.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 29 22:40:18 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by rockparkman on Sun Sep 29 22:17:16 2013.

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GTH, rocKKKparKKKnazi. They're putting the squeeze on member states while living it up in Barbados and Brussels. Keep putting up for the biggest enemy of Israel in the Western Hemisphere.

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Olog thinks Europe's in the Western Hemisphere

Posted by daNd124 on Sun Sep 29 22:47:47 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 29 22:40:18 2013.

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europe is not in the Western Hemisphere!

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Re: Olog thinks Europe's in the Western Hemisphere

Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 29 22:53:04 2013, in response to Olog thinks Europe's in the Western Hemisphere, posted by daNd124 on Sun Sep 29 22:47:47 2013.

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Part of it is.

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Re: Olog thinks Europe's in the Western Hemisphere

Posted by daNd124 on Sun Sep 29 22:54:04 2013, in response to Re: Olog thinks Europe's in the Western Hemisphere, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 29 22:53:04 2013.

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only if you want to be super technical.

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Re: Olog thinks Europe's in the Western Hemisphere

Posted by Easy on Sun Sep 29 23:10:44 2013, in response to Re: Olog thinks Europe's in the Western Hemisphere, posted by daNd124 on Sun Sep 29 22:54:04 2013.

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The part that Olog is from is, isn't it?

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 29 23:32:49 2013, in response to Olog thinks Europe's in the Western Hemisphere, posted by daNd124 on Sun Sep 29 22:47:47 2013.

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OK, you got me on that. Feel better now?

It doesn't make you suddenly a better person. Grow up.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 30 00:22:46 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 29 21:58:40 2013.

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Heh. If you wanna see scary numbers, you should look into OUR bill for that stuff. :)

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Re: Olog thinks Europe's in the Western Hemisphere

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 30 00:29:31 2013, in response to Re: Olog thinks Europe's in the Western Hemisphere, posted by Easy on Sun Sep 29 23:10:44 2013.

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Yeah, but the part he's always yammering about isn't. :)

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 30 00:30:34 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 29 23:32:49 2013.

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Chill, bro's ... for those who are all anal about things, probably a big deal, for most of us no problem. The point is more important than the details sometimes.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 30 00:36:10 2013, in response to Re: Olog thinks Europe's in the Western Hemisphere, posted by daNd124 on Sun Sep 29 22:54:04 2013.

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A huge chunk of it is, asshole.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 30 01:08:38 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 30 00:36:10 2013.

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Actually, GMT kinda handles that issue. The minus GMT's are western, plus GMT's are eastern and so that salami gets sliced on GMT itself.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 30 01:11:03 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 30 01:08:38 2013.

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That's basically it.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 30 01:22:21 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 30 01:11:03 2013.

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Yep ... for the past two decades, I've had to live all across all 24 time zones, so FWIW *I* get it. :)

But once it slips to +1, then it's that other hemi, and I don't mean Dodge. Heh.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Sep 30 01:38:53 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 30 01:08:38 2013.

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Spain is east of the Prime Meridian? That is news to me...

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 30 01:48:11 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Sep 30 01:38:53 2013.

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I never said that ... I was siding with him. Now is Berlin west of GMT? Do you see where I was going, or do we want to play John Cleese's "argument clinic" skit?

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Sep 30 03:37:44 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 30 01:48:11 2013.

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I realized after posting my intent probably wasn't clear. I was trying to illustrate the absurdity of Olog's entire premise about west versus east.

At the end of the day, even if Olog claims the EU is the greatest threat to Israel in the Western Hemisphere, most Israelis and Jewry worldwide also sees him as a threat to Israel's existence and want nothing to do with his ilk.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 30 09:04:58 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 29 23:32:49 2013.

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Hey, it's on a level with upbrading DeBlasio for changing his name because Lenin, Stalin, and trotsky did.



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Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 30 12:15:49 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU's ad/propaganda budget is higher than Coca-Cola's worldwide advertising budget, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Sep 30 03:37:44 2013.

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I hear ya ... no prob!

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(EUEUEUEUEU) Council of Europe passes anti-circumcision resolution

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 3 02:09:56 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Jewish Telegraphic Agency via Times of Israel

European council passes anti-circumcision resolution

October 3, 2013, 2:58 am
A resolution that calls male ritual circumcision a “violation of the physical integrity of children” was passed overwhelmingly by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe.

The council, a pan-European intergovernmental organization, debated and passed the resolution on Tuesday based on a report by the Committee on Social Affairs, Health and Sustainable Development led by German rapporteur Marlene Rupperecht. The resolution passed by a vote of 78 in favor and 13 against, with 15 abstentions.

The resolution calls on states to “clearly define the medical, sanitary and other conditions to be ensured for practices such as the non-medically justified circumcision of young boys.”

It also calls on member states to “initiate a public debate, including intercultural and interreligious dialogue, aimed at reaching a large consensus on the rights of children to protection against violations of their physical integrity according to human rights standards” and to “adopt specific legal provisions to ensure that certain operations and practices will not be carried out before a child is old enough to be consulted.”

Practices covered by the resolution include female genital mutilation, the circumcision of young boys for religious reasons, early childhood medical interventions in the case of intersexual children, corporal punishment, and the submission to or coercion of children into piercings, tattoos or plastic surgery.

Large majorities rejected five amendments that sought to remove or alter references to the circumcision of boys. An amendment that removed a reference to the “religious rights of parents and families” was supported by a large majority of members.

“Although the adoption of this report is non-binding and does not represent any direct threat to milah, we are troubled at the readiness of the Parliamentary Assembly to dismiss the points made during the debate about religious freedom,” the Milah UK organization told JTA.

The ritual circumcision of boys younger than 18 has come under attack increasingly in Scandinavia and German-speaking European countries both by left-wing secularists and right-wingers who fear the influence of immigration from Muslim countries.


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EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, "standoffish" lack of diplomacy

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 24 14:11:17 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Der Spiegel

Frenemies: Spying on Allies Fits Obama's Standoffish Profile

By Gregor Peter Schmitz
October 24, 2013 07:20 PM

Diplomats are not surprised that the security agencies under US President Barack Obama have reportedly been monitoring close allies like German Chancellor Angela Merkel. He has failed to foster close relationships with other heads of state, causing much frustration around the world.

US President Barack Obama was scheduled to visit the Church of Our Lady cathedral in Dresden during a June 2009 whistle-stop visit to Germany. Diplomats from the German Foreign Ministry had painstakingly planned every last detail. They were looking forward to the photographs of Chancellor Angela Merkel with the US president in front of cheering crowds.

But the White House bristled. The president didn't want to do that — that was the word in Washington. He reportedly placed little value on such photo ops, and he had to leave as quickly as possible, to get to an appearance at the Buchenwald concentration camp. The haggling went back and forth for weeks, and in the end the White House gave in, but only a little. Obama raced through Dresden. After their visit inside the church, Merkel had to shake hands with visitors by herself. The president had already disappeared.

On this day, at the latest, it must have dawned on diplomats that this US president was different from his predecessors. He was someone who did not attach value to diplomatic niceties nor to the sensitivities of his close friends, which he already had proven as a presidential candidate. At that time he put Chancellor Merkel in an awkward position by wanting to make a campaign speech in front of the Brandenburg Gate. This site was traditionally set aside for sitting presidents, which Obama also knew.

The Democrat, who prefers to spend his evenings with his family or alone in front of his computer, has made it no secret in Washington that he does not want to make new friends. That maxim especially applies to his foreign diplomacy. Unlike his predecessor George W. Bush, Obama is loved by the people of the world, but much less by their heads of government. On the heels of recent revelations that US spy agencies might have monitored Chancellor Merkel's cell phone, the complaints about Merkel's "lost friend" Obama are misplaced. Obama doesn't want to be a friend.

A Frosty Welcome

During a recent visit by a European head of government to Washington, the atmosphere was described as frosty by those in the entourage from Europe. Obama didn't find the time for even a little small talk, the sources said, and "it seemed to some like an appointment with a lawyer."

Obama angered Nicolas Sarkozy by choosing to dine with his family instead of with France's then-president during his visit to Paris. The Polish and Czech heads of state informed the president by telephone that they would not install a long-planned missile defense system. And when it comes to Britain, traditionally America's closest partner, Obama was initially uncomfortable with the long-held notion of a "special relationship" between the two countries. He may have expressed his vision for the friendship when, on his state visit, he brought the queen an iPod as a gift. London was not amused.

The frustration extended well beyond the typical bruised vanities of the Europeans, whom members of the Obama administration like to describe behind closed doors as infantile. An African head of government said during a visit to Washington that he longed for the days of George W. Bush. At least with him, he said, one knew where one stood.

'Coolness Has Its Price'

Israel, one of the closest allies of the US, was irritated that Obama didn't find time for a state visit during his first term in office. Obama let the relationships with Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan's president, and the Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki deteriorate so much that the troop withdrawals grew more difficult.

And Obama promised the Asian diplomats that he would be the "Pacific president," but he just cancelled his trip to the continent because the budget debate was more important to him.

So much non-diplomacy is new among US presidents. Reagan wooed Margarent Thatcher. George H.W. Bush confided in Helmut Kohl as Bill Clinton did in Tony Blair. George W. Bush, who many thought was an isolationist, could count on a whole team of "buddies," such as the then-prime minister of Spain, José Aznar, and the Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi. He even entertained them at his ranch in Texas.

Merkel was also invited there, and in return Bush ate a dinner of wild boar in her German electoral district. The chancellor has from time to time said that she values such trans-Atlantic closeness.

That is over. "Coolness has its price," Washington Post columnist Jackson Diehl wrote in 2010, adding that Obama appeared to have no genuine friend among world leaders. But what for? He has the NSA.


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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 24 15:15:34 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, "standoffish" lack of diplomacy, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 24 14:11:17 2013.

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So you even side with Merkel and friends if they're tearing the black guy a new one. You've managed to undo all your propaganda over the years in a single post. ;)

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Oct 24 18:45:49 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, "standoffish" lack of diplomacy, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 24 14:11:17 2013.

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So now you want the American President to kiss the German chancellor's ass.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by rockparkman on Thu Oct 24 18:48:01 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by SMAZ on Thu Oct 24 18:45:49 2013.

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he wants BO to perform cunnilingus on Ms. Merkel.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 24 18:50:21 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by SMAZ on Thu Oct 24 18:45:49 2013.

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Wellllll ... it IS kinda how the right wants it ...



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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by Dave on Fri Oct 25 07:09:47 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by rockparkman on Thu Oct 24 18:48:01 2013.

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Ewww.........

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 25 17:09:57 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by rockparkman on Thu Oct 24 18:48:01 2013.

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"Ms."?? For one thing, Merkel's her married name, so she's a "Mrs." to start with—her maiden name is Kasner. And she does have her doctorate (wrote a thesis on quantum chemistry; a branch of the same field as chuchubob and meself), so properly she's "Dr."

And another thing, you got your mind in the gutter, rocKKKparKKKnazi.

Yet another thing, that's not what male denizens of a "down-low club" seek for.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 25 17:21:05 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by SMAZ on Thu Oct 24 18:45:49 2013.

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Still trying to put words in people's mouths?

It's his administration that called Germany (rather than Britain) the USA's most important ally.

And when the BND gets busted spying on the USA, the Germans still do this. Or did, because thanks to the president you keep thanking God for, that's going to stop.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by AlM on Fri Oct 25 17:24:39 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 25 17:09:57 2013.

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???

"Ms." means "Miss" or "Mrs."

So "Ms. Merkel" is an appropriate way to refer to Mrs. Merkel. So of course would "Dr. Merkel."



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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 25 17:31:14 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 24 15:15:34 2013.

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Side with? C'mon; you know me better than that.

And stop with the race card. It's tasteless.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 25 17:35:27 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by AlM on Fri Oct 25 17:24:39 2013.

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People sure do like their revisionist history, don't they.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by rockparkman on Fri Oct 25 17:46:54 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 25 17:21:05 2013.

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"It's his administration that called Germany (rather than Britain) the USA's most important ally.
He would be correct.

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 25 18:09:14 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by rockparkman on Fri Oct 25 17:46:54 2013.

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You lose a jackboot or something?

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by rockparkman on Fri Oct 25 18:09:46 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 25 17:35:27 2013.

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Go fuck yourself If I ran this country, you'd be a medical experiment

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by rockparkman on Fri Oct 25 18:21:19 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 25 18:09:14 2013.

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FUCK the UK Germany was the Hammer in the Holocaust and England was the Anvil with the White Paper. The US should have taken England over after WW2

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Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy

Posted by bingbong on Fri Oct 25 18:38:15 2013, in response to Re: EUEUEUEUEU unhappy with Obama's espionage, ''standoffish'' lack of diplomacy, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 25 17:35:27 2013.

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So tell your RW cronies to stop revising it.

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EUEUEUEUEU elitists push for a United Nations parliament

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 26 02:42:12 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Well, yay. Members of a rubber-stamp toy parliament push for the same thing at the UN. Aren't there enough clones of the Supreme Soviet and National People's Congress in the world?

EurActiv

MEPs push for a UN parliament

Published 25 October 2013
In the midst of the many crises and challenges facing today’s world, MEPs have sounded off (on) the urgent need of setting up a parliamentary assembly in the United Nations.

“A United Nations Parliamentary assembly is a vital component to strengthen democratic legitimacy of the United Nations,” said center-left MEP Jo Leinen, during an international conference last week (17 October). Leinen and ALDE party leader Graham Watson have been on the forefront of such initiative since 2007.

Since the 1990s there have been many calls to reform the UN, but there is little clarity or consensus on the way to change the organization. Some point at the need to reform the UN Security Council, others at the lack of accountability and the need for more democratic scrutiny.

At present, citizens are only indirectly represented in the UN General Assembly by their respective governments. As a result, votes cast do not adequately reflect the political spectrum that exists in each national parliament—including opposition forces. That’s why a growing number of parliamentarians in Europe and elsewhere has called for adding a democratic dimension to the UN system.

In a message issued on the occasion of the conference in Brussels, last week, the President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, emphasized the longstanding support for the proposal.

"The European Parliament may serve as a model for how a UN Parliamentary Assembly could develop over time. What once began as an advisory body composed of national parliamentarians is a directly elected legislature today," Schulz said.

The intergovernmental nature of the United Nations has reached its limits, said Jo Leinen, lamenting the growing global democratic deficit.

To increase people’s trust in the UN and restore its legitimacy, a UN Parliamentary Assembly would be a decisive step towards the introduction of new quality and impetus into international governance, they say.

“Global problems need effective solutions,” said Watson. “No adequate measures have been taken to address the democratic deficit of global governance in general and of the United Nations in particular," reads the declaration.

The conference suggested that “a global democratic body of elected representatives” should be established “to bring global governance in the pursuit of post-2015 development goals” closer to the world’s citizens.

Start with a consultative body

Alfred de Zayas, a professor tasked to lead a group of independent experts and formulate feasibility routes to reform the UN, said that reform through public participation does not pose a threat to stability; on the contrary, it is a condition of stability.

“Governing elites need not to fear the exercise of the right to participation, because such exercise enables gradual adjustment and gives the population a sense of satisfaction through ownership of their destinies,” Zayas said.

The professor insisted that a population that can meaningfully influence governmental policy through consultation and voting ensures continuity in harmony.

Supporters say that the United Nations Parliamentary Assembly could start initially as a consultative body and gradually develop into a truly legislative assembly.

“In a world where global governance lacks even the thinnest veneer of democratic legitimacy, the need for the UN as a powerful player is greater than ever before,” added Watson, insisting as a first step the establishment of the UNPA. Under Article 22 of the UN charter, the UN General Assembly may establish “subsidiary organs as it deems necessary for the performance of its functions.”


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Re: EUEUEUEUEU elitists push for a United Nations parliament

Posted by rockparkman on Sat Oct 26 09:20:38 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU elitists push for a United Nations parliament, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 26 02:42:12 2013.

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Sounds like a good idea.

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(EUEUEUEUEU) Germany warns Israel: attend UN Human Rights Council or face "severe diplomatic damage"

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 29 00:42:37 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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INN

Germany to Israel: Attend UN Human Rights Council — Or Else

Berlin, Others Pressure Israel to Attend UN Human Rights Council Review or Face a Diplomatic Disaster

By Tova Dvorin
10/27/2013, 1:39 PM
Germany's foreign minister Guido Westerwelle has warned Israel to face a periodic United Nations Human Rights Council (U.N.H.R.C.) Periodic Review — or face severe diplomatic consequences, according to a Haaretz report (Sunday).

Israel severed ties with the Geneva-based UN Human Rights Council in March 2012, after it announced it would investigate how the Israeli presence in Judea and Samaria would affect the rights of local Arabs.

This year, on January 29, Israel became the first country to boycott the UNHRC review, which is mandatory for every United Nations member country, after facing increasing criticism for building more Jewish homes in Judea and Samaria. The move, a protest measure against the UN directive stating that Israel's actions are to be reviewed at every UNHRC council meeting, created a media and political hullabaloo with rumors of a full Israeli pullout from the United Nations.

In a personal letter to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, Westerwelle warned that Israel's failure to attend the periodic evaluation — a review infamous for its anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian measures — would alienate Israel's allies and cause "severe diplomatic damage", Haaretz reports.

The report adds a statement from an unknown source confirming that Westerwelle delivered the letter to Emmanuel Nahshon, the deputy chief of Israel's German Embassy in Berlin, with instructions for it to be delivered to the Prime Minister as soon as possible.

Neither Netanyahu nor German Chancellor Angela Merkel have released statements regarding the directive. However, an unnamed Israeli official, working under the condition of anonymity, has stated that a decision about whether to attend Tuesday's UNHRC meeting will be made later Sunday.


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EUEUEUEUEU run by Germany—more proff

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 29 02:32:21 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Reuters

Insight: Merkel's Europe — how her men run Brussels

By John O'Donnell
Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:42am EDT
BRUSSELS (Reuters) — In Brussels, Germans have shrugged off their postwar reserve and make no apology for shaping Europe's future, taking key posts in EU institutions and pushing Berlin's trade interests with vigor.

As Angela Merkel forms a new coalition government after a third successive election triumph, the conservative chancellor can build on efforts, in place since her first term in 2005, that have increased not just the number of Germans in senior jobs in Brussels but the extent to which they answer to Berlin.

And where that fails to ensure EU policy acceptable to the bloc's biggest economy, Merkel has shown she is prepared to lay down the law in person — as when she demanded an EU retreat this summer from a looming trade war with China that would have hurt the exports of Germany's big car makers and engineering firms.

Its 27 partners can hardly deny that a state which is home to one EU citizen in six and produces a fifth of the bloc's output must have a big say. Berlin's new assertiveness, aided by a widening economic gap it has opened up over struggling allies, is, however, provoking grumbles — though there is little sign yet of a serious challenge to weaken Merkel's grip in Brussels.

For Germans like Herbert Reul, who leads the chancellor's Christian Democrats in the European Parliament, that influence is a natural development of history for a nation that long put its wealth at the service of a French-accented EU in return for the political rehabilitation which that brought after Hitler.

"We're done with that," Reul said of the days of German reserve in Brussels, which endured through the long leadership of Helmut Kohl that saw the forging in the 1990s of the euro and of a bigger Germany that absorbed the formerly communist east.

"A state that wasn't a state, always a bit under the authority of the Allies, … is very cautious," Reul added. "To take responsibility means that you shouldn't just be sitting in the corner and apologizing — that's not enough."

Taking responsibility has meant, among other things, taking some of the most powerful, if not always the most visible, jobs in Brussels. The likes of Uwe Corsepius, Johannes Laitenberger and Klaus Welle are hardly household names. But alongside a few dozen other senior Germans, they hold great sway over EU policy.

Once Merkel's Europe adviser, Corsepius, 53, is secretary-general of the European Council. Some of his 3,000 staff see him as the man who cut their access to Facebook and travel websites to make them work harder. But his real power is to steer the agendas and legal advice that shape meetings of EU governments.

Laitenberger, 49, is chief-of-staff to Jose Manuel Barroso, the president of the European Commission, which oversees trade and other EU polices. And Welle, also 49, secretary-general of the elected European Parliament, is known by some as the "prince of darkness" for the influence he wields over the legislature.

Welle also seeks closer coordination among Germans in the EU capital, in part through the Genval Circle — a discreet forum for Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) in Brussels.

"One Voice"

"Germans are behaving more normally in relation to Brussels," said Hans-Gert Poettering, who was European Parliament speaker until 2009. He now chairs the Konrad Adenauer Foundation, a think-tank associated with the CDU and in whose elegant Brussels townhouse office the Genval Circle often meets.

"This does not mean that this wartime chapter in our history is closed," Poettering said in defense of Berlin's new approach. "But history should not restrict our freedom to act."

Coordination among Germans in Brussels and between them and Berlin is no accident. Kohl used to complain that fellow Germans tended to abandon their national identity once over the border.

Now, said CDU lawmaker Reul: "If we speak with one voice, then we have power." He himself meets fellow Christian Democrat leaders in Berlin, including Merkel herself, every other Monday.

"The German group seeks to represent industrial political interests. We have a lot of industry to defend," said Reul, who represents a manufacturing region on the lower Rhine.

Simon Hix, professor of European politics at the London School of Economics, said: "You feel the shadow of the Berlin government in the parliament … It's rare that anything happens … that's against the interests of German industry."

It was under Merkel's center-left SPD predecessor Gerhard Schröder that a new generation of German leaders, too young to remember Nazism, began a push for a stronger voice in Brussels.

Frank-Walter Steinmeier, SPD foreign minister in Merkel's first coalition, set up a program to train Germans to win EU posts. The probable new left-right coalition in Berlin may further consolidate a united German approach in EU affairs.

"The further improvement of Germany's personnel presence in European institutions is very important for the government," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said. "The aim is that Germany, as the biggest EU member state, is represented in an appropriate way at all levels of EU institutions."

Strength In Depth

Raw numbers of EU official posts do not tell the whole story. By Berlin's calculations about 10 percent of senior civil servants in the EU Commission and a similar proportion of senior diplomats in the EU's foreign policy directorate are German. Germans make up 16 percent of the bloc's 507-million population.

Like many multilateral organizations, smaller states — three EU members have fewer than a million people — tend to be overrepresented. And the near doubling in membership in the past decade, mainly with smaller countries in the east and south, has diluted the share of total EU jobs available to founder members.

But focus on the qualitatively influential posts coveted by the big powers, including France, Britain and Italy, and German influence is clearer. EU and German officials reckon it is also clearly growing. And Berlin diplomats make no secret they aim to take advantage of a coming wave of top-level retirements.

An internal Commission report, seen by Reuters, shows there are already 45 Germans in the senior jobs in that institution — at departmental director level or above — more than France and well exceeding Italy or Britain, who each have fewer than 30.

Germany has focused on areas where the Commission has most power such as economic affairs, antitrust enforcement and other regulatory departments. Trade is also important. The EU ambassador to China, Markus Ederer, is a German.


Government planners, who chart the progress of their brightest talent, have also identified "Germany-friendly" non-nationals who are worth backing for jobs — supporting candidates who, for example, have studied in German universities.

The Dutch, for example, are seen as in step with German economics. The Netherlands' Jeroen Dijsselbloem chairs the euro group of finance ministers, which sets policy for the single currency managed by the Frankfurt-based European Central Bank.

French officials who once saw the EU as largely their own project, say the handing of EU votes and jobs to Germany's poor eastern neighbors after the Cold War has shifted the balance toward Berlin, whose economic success makes it a more tempting ally than Paris in the horse-trading that makes much EU policy.

"Angela Calling"

A dispute over a proposed tightening of EU rules on vehicle pollutant emissions, which ended this month in a delay that suited German luxury car makers, illustrated Berlin's clout.

In a long campaign to build alliances, Merkel had personally called, among others, the Irish and Portuguese leaders to remind them Germany was helping their debt-crushed economies, according to senior officials. Merkel's office declined to comment.

She intervened, too, in this year's trade row with China over solar panels, on which Germany at first lacked friends.

In late May, as the European Commission prepared to impose sanctions on Beijing for its alleged dumping of cheap solar panels in EU markets, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang flew to Berlin to warn of a trade war that would hurt the German car industry.

Telling the German public she would do all she could to stop a trade war that would damage German exports, she picked up the phone to Commission President Barroso in Brussels.

Despite a denial from Barroso's office, a senior EU official confirmed to Reuters that Merkel did call. Several officials said that was then followed by a call from Barroso, a former prime minister of Portugal, to EU trade commissioner Karel De Gucht. The Belgian did not want to change course against China.

Yet the message was clear. Germany, bankroller of eurozone bailouts and biggest net contributor to the EU budget, would not risk wrecking ties with a country that buys $50 billion a year of machinery, from Porsches to tanks and much other equipment.

Europe stepped back from the De Gucht plans and the dispute was resolved by setting a minimum price on Chinese solar panels.

"We Are The Best"

If Germans are pleased, among neighbors still wary after a century of viewing Berlin as a menace, there is irritation at a tendency to talk down to those less economically successful.

"You have this German view that if everyone was German and as practical as the Germans, then everything would work better," commented one senior French official in a private conversation.

Some say that could backfire, creating resistance that might generate stalemate in EU policymaking. That could undermine the effectiveness of a bloc which already faces the threat of Britain's 64 million people voting to quit the Union.

"Germany says 'We are doing best, so we are the best'," said Daniel Cohn-Bendit, a veteran of politics in both Germany and France and co-chair of the Greens group in the EU parliament.

"This can have negative repercussions. By taking this approach, Germany is putting the brakes on Europe."

For Cohn-Bendit, born in France after his Jewish parents fled Nazi Germany, Berlin's focus on its export-driven economy was blunting a broader EU ambition for wide global influence.

"The German approach is that they don't want to be bothered with the world," he said. "National economic interests is the limit of their thinking. It wants to have economic leadership and, in foreign policy, to be like Luxembourg."

The diffuse structure of the European Union does give the 27 other states scope to challenge Germany's economic strategy.

But that does not convince European Parliament member Nigel Farage. His UK Independence Party wants Britain, still outside the eurozone, to completely pull out of a European Union in which Farage sees economics ensuring Berlin will call the shots.

"Whether Britain is in or out," he said, "Economic policymaking in the eurozone is going to be dominated by Germany."


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EUEUEUEUEU study reveals Jews in Germany and six other EUEUEUEU countries fear rising antisemitism

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 21:00:12 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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EU Study: Jews in Germany Fear Rising Anti-Semitism

By Barbara Hans
November 08, 2013 – 05:16 PM

A vast survey conducted by the EU's Agency for Fundamental Rights and published Friday contains troubling results almost exactly 75 years after Kristallnacht: Jews in Germany and seven other EU countries continue to live in fear of verbal or physical abuse — whether in public or, increasingly, online.

"I find it almost unbearable that religious services can only take place with police protection."

"Anti-Semitism is one reason for me to leave Germany because I want to protect my family from any danger."

"The anti-Semitic insults I have experienced were not from neo-Nazis or from leftists, but from ordinary people of the political center."


What is it like for Jews to live in Europe? Are they able to practice their religion without restraint? Seventy-five years after the beginning of the Kristallnachtpogrom, also referred to as the "November pogroms," how much harassment, discrimination and hate crime do they encounter?

On Friday, the Vienna-based European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) released a report titled "Discrimination and Hate Crime against Jews in EU Member States: experiences and perceptions of antisemitism." The online survey polled 5,847 self-selected individuals who identified as Jewish in Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Sweden and the UK, states in which an estimated 90 percent of European Jews live.

Coping with Anti-Semitism

The survey's results provide insight into the perceptions, experiences and self-conception of European Jews. Rather than supplying absolute figures on anti-Semitic attacks, the study focuses on the perceived danger of such attacks and how much the anxiety this causes affects their lives.
  • Two-thirds of respondents (66%) said that anti-Semitism is a problem in Europe, and over three-quarters (76%) noted that there had been an increase in anti-Semitic hostility in their home countries over the last five years.

  • Close to half of respondents (46%) are afraid of being verbally attacked or harassed in a public place because they are Jewish, while a third (33%) worry that such attacks could turn physical.

  • Roughly 50 percent of surveyed parents or grandparents of school-aged children worry that their children could be victims of anti-Semitic verbal insults or harassment at or on the way to or from school if they wore visible Jewish symbols in public.

  • More than half of respondents (57%) said that, over the last 12 months, they had heard or seen someone claim that the Holocaust was a myth or that it has been exaggerated.

  • About a quarter (26%) of respondents said that they had experienced some form of anti-Semitic harassment over the previous year, while 4 percent said they had experienced physical violence or threats of attack in the same period.

  • Almost one-fourth (23%) said they had been discriminated against in the last 12-month period for being Jewish.

  • Among employed respondents, 11 percent said they are most likely to experience discrimination for being Jewish at the workplace, while 10 percent said this was the case when looking for work.
The study also examined whether these incidents made it into official statistics. The overwhelming majority of respondents (82%) said that they had not reported to any authority or organization "the most serious incident, namely the one that most affected them."

In Germany, the KPMD, a service for registering crimes, has recorded a decline in anti-Semitic crimes since 2009. However, by itself, that says nothing about the perceptions of Jews living in Germany. According to the FRA report, 63 percent of the Jewish respondents in Germany have avoided "wearing, carrying or displaying things that might help people identify them as Jews in public," such as a skullcap (kippa). Likewise, 25 percent of them claimed to have considered emigrating from Germany in the last five years because they don't feel safe there.

When it comes to the relative seriousness of anti-Semitism, Germany was the only country in which a majority (61%) of respondents said it was the greatest problem. Respondents from the other seven countries believed that unemployment was the most pressing issue.

Blamed for Israeli Policies

In the report, FRA states that a survey it published in 2012 had "found evidence suggesting that events in the Middle East can act as a trigger for translating anti-Israel sentiment into antisemitic sentiment targeting Jewish populations as a whole." For the poll published Friday, 49 percent of respondents in Germany claimed to have heard or seen non-Jewish people suggest that Israelis behave "like Nazis" toward the Palestinians. The study's results seem to suggest that German Jews are viewed as proxies of the state of Israel and its policies. Indeed, it found that 81 percent of them have felt accused of or blamed for something the Israeli government had done. Moreover, it noted a close coincidence between when trouble flares up in the Middle East and when Jews in Germany perceive rising hostility.

"One reason (not the only one!) for the latent anti-Semitism is the open conflict between Israel and Palestine and other neighboring Arab countries. A peaceful solution to this conflict would also reduce the ground for anti-Semitism in other countries."

The study also found that respondents claimed that they had been increasingly exposed to negative statements about Jews online, including on blogs and social-networking sites. Three-quarters (75%) of all respondents in the eight countries identified the Internet as "the most common forum for negative statements" and a place where such statements could be made with virtual impunity. This was particularly true for respondents between the ages of 16 and 29, of whom 88 percent said that they saw or heard negative comments about Jews online.

Worries about suffering verbal or physical attacks, the study notes, have been found to have negative effects on physical, social and emotional well-being by prompting people to restrict their movements or activities. Almost a quarter (23%) of respondents claimed to avoid visiting Jewish events, sites or parts of their neighborhoods because they don't feel safe there or on the way there owing to their Jewish identity.

The survey also found that Jews living in Germany were particularly concerned with two issues that have sparked much debate in recent years: the prohibition of circumcision (brit mila) and traditional Jewish rituals associated with slaughtering animals (shechita). Almost three-quarters (71%) said that banning circumcision would be a "very big" or "fairly big" problem for them, while half (50%) held the same view regarding prohibitions on traditional slaughter.

"I will wait for the developments concerning a statutory regulation on the Brit Mila. This will be crucial for my decision on whether or not to leave Germany."

* The quotations in italics are statements made by Jews living in German who responded to the survey online. Translations are taken directly from the report.



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EUEUEUEUEU plans for surveillance of "intolerant" citizens (attack on freedom of speech)

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 11 22:49:09 2013, in response to EUEUEUEUEU Olog, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Nov 12 14:58:17 2011.

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Gatestone Institute

EU Proposal to Monitor "Intolerant" Citizens

by Soeren Kern
October 28, 2013 at 5:00 am
"There is no need to be tolerant to the intolerant" — European Framework National Statute for the Promotion of Tolerance, Article 4

"The supranational surveillance that it would imply would certainly be a dark day for European democracy." — European Dignity Watch
While European leaders are busy expressing public indignation over reports of American espionage operations in the European Union, the European Parliament is quietly considering a proposal that calls for the direct surveillance of any EU citizen suspected of being "intolerant."

Critics say the measure — which seeks to force the national governments of all 28 EU member states to establish "special administrative units" to monitor any individual or group expressing views that the self-appointed guardians of European multiculturalism deem to be "intolerant" — represents an unparalleled threat to free speech in a Europe where citizens are already regularly punished for expressing the "wrong" opinions, especially about Islam.

The proposed European Framework National Statute for the Promotion of Tolerance was recently presented to members of the Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs Committee of the European Parliament, the only directly-elected body of the European Union.

The policy proposal was drafted by the European Council on Tolerance and Reconciliation (ECTR), a non-governmental organization established in Paris in 2008 by the former president of Poland, Aleksander Kwasniewski, and the president of the European Jewish Congress, Moshe Kantor.

The ECTR — which describes itself as a "tolerance watchdog" that "prepares practical recommendations to governments and international organizations on improving interreligious and interethnic relations on the continent" — includes on its board more than a dozen prominent European politicians, including former Spanish Prime Minister José María Aznar.

The ECTR first presented its proposal for a Europe-wide Law on Tolerance to the European Parliament in November 2008 as part of the European Week of Tolerance that marked the 70th anniversary of the Kristallnacht, a night of anti-Semitic violence that began the Jewish Holocaust in Germany.

After five years of lobbying in Europe's halls of power, the ECTR proposal appears to be making headway, as evidenced by the European Parliament's recent decision to give the group a prominent 45-minute time slot to present its proposal to the Civil Liberties committee on September 17.

Also known as the "Model Statute for Tolerance," the ECTR's proposal was presented as part of the EU's ongoing work towards a new "Equal Treatment Directive" (ETD) that would vastly expand the scope of discrimination to all sectors of life in both the public and private spheres.

Critics of the ETD, currently being negotiated within the Council of the European Union, say the directive seeks to establish an ill-conceived concept of "equal treatment" as a horizontal principle governing the relationships between all and everyone, thus interfering with the right of self-determination of all citizens.

According to European Dignity Watch, a civil rights watchdog based in Brussels:
The principles of freedom of contract and the freedom to live according to one's personal moral views are in danger of being superseded by a newly developed concept of 'equality.' It would undermine freedom and self-determination for all Europeans and subject the private life of citizens to legal uncertainty and the control of bureaucrats. It is about governmental control of social behavior of citizens. These tendencies begin to give the impression of long-passed totalitarian ideas and constitute an unprecedented attack on citizens' rights.
When viewed in the broader context of the ETD, the ECTR document is so audacious in scope, while at the same time so vague in defining its terminology, that critics say the proposal, if implemented, would open a Pandora's Box of abuse, thereby effectively shutting down the right to free speech in Europe.

According to Section 1 (d), for example, the term "tolerance" is broadly defined as "respect for and acceptance of the expression, preservation and development of the distinct identity of a group." Section 2 (d) states that the purpose of the statute is to "condemn all manifestations of intolerance based on bias, bigotry and prejudice."

An explanatory note to Section 2 states: "Religious intolerance is understood to cover Islamophobia" but it provides no definition at all of "Islamophobia," a term invented by the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1990s. If taken to its logical conclusion, Section 2 would presumably ban all critical scrutiny of Islam and Islamic Sharia law, a key objective of Muslim activist groups for more than two decades.

The document also declares that "tolerance must be practiced not only by governmental bodies but equally by individuals." Section 3 (iv) elaborates on this: "Guarantee of tolerance must be understood not only as a vertical relationship (government-to-individuals) but also as a horizontal relationship (group-to-group and person-to-person). It is the obligation of the government to ensure that intolerance is not practiced either in vertical or in horizontal relationships."

According to Section 4 (f) (i) of the document: "There is no need to be tolerant to the intolerant. This is especially important as far as freedom of expression is concerned." Section 5 (a) states: "Tolerance (as defined in Section 1(d)) must be guaranteed to any group, whether it has long-standing societal roots or it is recently formed, especially as a result of migration from abroad."

Section 6 states: "It goes without saying that enactment of a Statute for the Promotion of Tolerance does not suffice by itself. There must be a mechanism in place ensuring that the Statute does not remain on paper and is actually implemented in the world of reality."

An explanatory note to Section 6 (a) states: "Members of vulnerable and disadvantaged groups are entitled to a special protection, additional to the general protection that has to be provided by the Government to every person within the State." Another note adds: "The special protection afforded to members of vulnerable and disadvantaged groups may imply a preferential treatment. Strictly speaking, this preferential treatment goes beyond mere respect and acceptance lying at the root of tolerance."

Section 6 (b) demands that every one of the 28 member states of the EU "set up a special administrative unit in order to supervise the implementation of this Statute." An explanatory note adds: "The special administrative unit should preferably operate within the Ministry of Justice (although the Ministry of the Interior is another reasonable possibility)."

Section 6 (c) calls for the establishment of a "National Tolerance Monitoring Commission as an independent body — composed of eminent persons from outside the civil service — vested with the authority to promote tolerance." An explanatory note adds: "The independent Commission will be empowered to express its views regarding implementation of the Statute by all concerned. Implementation in this context includes (but is not limited to) the imposition of penal sanctions."

Section 7 (a) states: "The following acts will be regarded as criminal offences punishable as aggravated crimes: Incitement to violence against a group and group libel. "Group libel" is broadly defined as: "defamatory comments made in public and aimed against a group or members thereof with a view to inciting to violence, slandering the group, holding it to ridicule or subjecting it to false charges."

Section 7 (b) states that "Juveniles convicted of committing crimes listed in paragraph (a) will be required to undergo a rehabilitation program designed to instill in them a culture of tolerance." Paragraph 7 (e) states that "victims of crimes listed in paragraph (a) will have a legal standing to bring a case against the perpetrators, as well as a right to redress." Paragraph 7 (f) states that "free legal aid will be offered to victims of crimes listed in paragraph (a), irrespective of qualification in terms of impecuniosity."

Section 8 states that "the government shall ensure that (a) Schools, from the primary level upwards, will introduce courses encouraging students to accept diversity and promoting a climate of tolerance as regards the qualities and cultures of others." An explanatory note adds: "It is very important to start such courses as early as possible in the educational program, i.e. in elementary school. Yet, these courses must be offered also at higher levels of education, up to and including universities."

Section 9 (a) states: "The government shall ensure that public broadcasting (television and radio) stations will devote a prescribed percentage of their program to promoting a climate of tolerance." Section 9 (b) adds: "The government shall encourage all privately owned mass media (including the printed press) to promote a climate of tolerance." Section 9 (c) states: "The government shall encourage all the mass media (public as well as private) to adopt an ethical code of conduct, which will prevent the spreading of intolerance and will be supervised by a mass media complaints commission."

The document, if adopted by the European Parliament in its current form, would — among other problems — establish a right to a freedom from hurt feelings at the expense of the freedom of speech and expression. In practical terms, critics say, the highly subjective definition of terms and concepts such as "tolerance," "discrimination," "vulnerable," and "disadvantaged," amounts to a legal straitjacket that would encourage frivolous litigation aimed at silencing individuals and groups, or at finding circumlocutions that appear to avoid violating these principles.

"Faith-based groups and schools, adherents of a particular religion or even just parents who want to teach their children certain moral values would all be put under general suspicion of being intolerant," according to European Dignity Watch.

"Even worse, if enshrined as EU policy, such language also could lead to the possibility that charges are brought on unclear or even without legal grounds. The chilling result of this would be the dramatic diminution (and possible disappearance) of the fundamental freedom of expression — individuals and groups would censor themselves, afraid that they might be prosecuted for expressing their own personal moral views," the NGO argues in a statement.

"The authors of this proposed statute — under the aegis of an international NGO for tolerance and reconciliation — have invited the Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs Committee to endorse it as a legal project. But not only would an adoption of this statute at the national level of the European states be a significant step backward," the statement concludes, "but the supranational surveillance that it would imply would certainly be a dark day for European democracy."


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