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Posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 22:06:14 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 21:58:50 2013. Why two people?What's wrong with two moms and a dad? Fun and variety in bed keeps the parents together. Sex with the same person for life is boring and leads to cheating plus you get the bonus of an extra bread winner for the family which means greater stability admit it - you are still stuck with an archaic religious moral code I'm not talking about Utah style polygamy where the man has the advantage. I am talking about women having two or three guys too. I know a woman that has two sex slaves - loves them both and would like to marry them both |
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Posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 22:10:43 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 28 22:04:16 2013. Single moms will soon be the rule as opposed to the exception anywaytraditional "families" are all but history |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 22:15:24 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 22:10:43 2013. So why are they making a comeback, especially when kids are concerned? The younger people coming up may be waiting to start families at a later age than ever, but they're staying together with their families too. Just an observation, but if you dig enough there may be studies to substantiate that observation. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 28 22:16:16 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 21:43:38 2013. Be careful what you wish for ... :)
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 28 22:17:09 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 22:10:43 2013. No, society will fall apart. You can't have a society without traditional families. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 28 22:18:01 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 21:58:50 2013. You say "2 parents" but don't specify. |
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Posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 22:26:49 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 22:15:24 2013. I'm not talking about young people waiting to start familiesI am talking about women who choose to have kids without getting married It is a lot more common and it is a conscientious choice. Some are even arranging pregnancies with guys they do not intend on seeing ever again. They just want someone / anyone to give them a kid. A lot of people do not want to be tied to the same partner for life any more |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 22:27:15 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 28 22:18:01 2013. Two parents are exactly that. Two parents. Nothing more need be specified. From there, extended family is good too if everyone gets along. If not, better to minimize those ties. What kids need is stability and seeing how adults relate to each other and to them. That's the best way to ensure a sane rational functional adult. In the absence of 2 parents one with a LOT of support can work as well. But that's really difficult. |
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Posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 22:31:50 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 28 22:17:09 2013. It will just be a different kind of societybut it will adapt |
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Posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 22:31:50 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 28 22:17:09 2013. It will just be a different kind of societybut it will adapt |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 22:33:06 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 22:06:14 2013. Biological parents raising a child provide something no other relationship does....strong ties to the child who has a reference as to where they came from. Makes for astable person in a stable family. Less drama, no behavior issues rooted in unanswered questions. |
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Posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 22:35:24 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 22:33:06 2013. So if this women has kids with both of her men aren't they all biological parents? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jun 28 22:56:14 2013, in response to Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 28 10:25:05 2013. Im baffled |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 22:58:06 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 22:35:24 2013. How are the kids going to know who's who? How is that going to be structured. Protip: it probably isn't. Makesfor a guaranteed dysfunctional dynamic. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 28 23:02:53 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jun 28 22:56:14 2013. By anything specific? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jun 29 01:41:41 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jun 28 22:56:14 2013. That's been obviously for quite some time too many.Peace, ANDEE |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 29 01:50:23 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 28 23:02:53 2013. I've been trying to tell you guys that the shit conservatives make up is SO far fetched, if you even take a nanosecond to actually think about it, you'd be baffled by it too. :( |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 29 02:43:59 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 21:11:46 2013. I used to come up with the kind of stuff you did in order to rationalize my prejudice against same-sex marriage. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 29 02:46:24 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 21:58:50 2013. Children need a lot more than a contract to ensure they grow to be rational sane functional people. Like 2 parents to provide love guidance and attention for starters.George Romney got to become CEO of AMC and a successful Governor of Michigan. His many mommies weren't the ones who brainwashed him. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 29 02:47:42 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 22:33:06 2013. Biological parents raising a child provide something no other relationship does....So step-parents suck? Mr and Mrs Brady are bad role models? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 29 02:50:16 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 29 02:47:42 2013. No, but Ozzie and Harriet and the Cleaver family weren't. I won't even bother getting into the Partridges. :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 29 02:51:38 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 22:27:15 2013. Two parents are exactly that. Two parents.First you said "biological parents" should be the norm. How can two daddies be the kid's biological parents? So which one is it? Stepdaddy = bad when married to biological mom but good when married to biological dad? How about a kid with both biological parents PLUS stepdaddy? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 29 02:55:27 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 29 02:50:16 2013. 
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 29 02:56:52 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 28 19:59:25 2013. Excellent post! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 29 02:58:01 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 29 02:55:27 2013. Hate to say it, but saner than the 1950's fantasies. :) |
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Posted by fwt9000 on Sat Jun 29 06:54:36 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 22:58:06 2013. Does it really matter?By the way I do know a woman who lives with two guys and they share the same bed - no kids yet but she plans on having at least one with each She makes her guys do each other so she can watch Then she joins She is the HOTTTTTTTTTTTEST! woman I know HOT women should not be monopolized by one guy HOT men should not be monopolized by one woman So why shouldn't she marry both if they will both be dads to her kids? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 07:21:12 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by fwt9000 on Sat Jun 29 06:54:36 2013. You seem to be into dying via very painful diseases. |
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Posted by fwt9000 on Sat Jun 29 08:31:15 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 28 22:33:06 2013. Biological parents raising a child provide something no other relationship doesDoes this mean you oppose adoption by gay couples? |
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Posted by fwt9000 on Sat Jun 29 08:35:29 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 07:21:12 2013. We swing with small circle of friendsAll been tested all good GREAT kinky sex - no strings |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 29 10:56:16 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by fwt9000 on Sat Jun 29 08:31:15 2013. No, usually one is a biological parent. These kids do as well as those with 2 biological parents. That has plenty to do with the nurture side of the equation. Plus they have 2 parents in the home. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 29 11:01:30 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 29 02:43:59 2013. Monogamous marriage between 2 consenting adults is very different from polygamous relationships. Back in prehistoric times, when lifespans were short and the need to procreate paramount, such developed to serve those purposes.The practice is declining even within Arab populations. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 29 11:29:45 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 29 02:46:24 2013. One example is a fluke,not a norm. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 29 11:32:23 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 28 19:59:25 2013. Fact: KIds brought up in homes with less or more than one parent tend to have troubles later in life. That's not exclusive, but the trend is there.Polygamy is illegal and is going to remain illegal. Get used to it. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jun 29 11:36:18 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 29 11:29:45 2013. Really, it doesn't matter whether you like it. In the words of Gavin Newsom, it's coming whether you like it or not. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jun 29 11:37:44 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 29 11:32:23 2013. It's so funny to see you making the same arguments as anti-gay marriage folks! |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 29 11:46:25 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Easy on Sat Jun 29 11:37:44 2013. The argument is totally different. Raising a child in a household headed by 2 homosexuals does not harm children. They do just as well as heterosexual headed homes. The children of polygamous cults (as such behavior only exists within cults in the US) show all sorts of stresses and behavior problems. This is in the real world, NOT cable TV. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jun 29 11:49:23 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 29 11:46:25 2013. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 29 11:50:15 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Easy on Sat Jun 29 11:37:44 2013. Google Hildale Utah teenagers and you'll see the problems.These are documented issues, not just claims. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 29 11:51:17 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Easy on Sat Jun 29 11:49:23 2013. They don't recruit.But thanks for the amusing video. |
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Posted by Gamera on Sat Jun 29 12:15:47 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jun 29 11:01:30 2013. If monogamy is so great then why is cheating so common?More kids are now being born to single moms than ever before Single parent households are more common than ever before Marriage is a dying institution Polyamory is the way of the future |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 12:20:43 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Easy on Sat Jun 29 11:36:18 2013. Newsom gives credence to the California Effect?That's someone who ought to be digging ditches instead of being in political office. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jun 29 12:24:40 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 29 11:50:15 2013. Google sexual molestation of boys and you'll see the problem with gay marriage.See how that works? Gay marriage and molestation/child abuse are two different issues. And so are polygamy and molestation/child abuse. Polygamy will be legalized, not specific characteristics of one group that you prefer to cite. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 12:26:45 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Gamera on Sat Jun 29 12:15:47 2013. Bullshit. So-called "polyamory" is one of the things that killed the old societies. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 12:27:38 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 29 01:50:23 2013. What "shit conservatives make up"? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 12:28:23 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by fwt9000 on Fri Jun 28 18:44:14 2013. Looks like you never heard of the Greek and Roman Empires. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 29 14:32:06 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Easy on Sat Jun 29 12:24:40 2013. Google sexual molestation of boys and you'll see the problem with gay marriage.Some gay people engage in sexual abuse, but most don't. But the two LARGEST polygamist communities, encompassing the majority of all polygamists in the US, DO sanction the behavior I have described. I'm not saying a polygamist community has to behave that way, just that they do. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 29 14:34:15 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Easy on Sat Jun 29 12:24:40 2013. Or to put it another way, if the rate of child abuse of all kinds among all gays was as high as the rate of child abuse in Hildale/Colorado City, this ruling would never have happened. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 29 14:37:07 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 28 14:32:30 2013. I'm not saying that polygamy as a way of life is inherently bad. I'm just saying that as it is implemented in the US in the 21st century (so far) it is bad for children. This could change, but until it does polygamists in the US will not gain respect. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jun 29 15:35:22 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 29 14:32:06 2013. Obviously it's because polygamy is illegal and very few currently engage in it aside from a few that see it as part of their religion. Now that its been made legal, you'll see it become more mainstream. Still mostly unpopular as most men can hardly deal with one wife! :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 29 15:50:22 2013, in response to Re: Polygamists celebrate SCOTUS DOMA ruling, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 29 12:28:23 2013. The Roman Empire fell when they made Christianity the official religion.They were doing just fine before that. |
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