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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 16:34:44 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 17 14:44:02 2013. But they don't.I've never heard of a group of atheists getting a school board to accept a textbook that says "There is no God." I've never heard of a group of atheists rallying a crowd to attack a building because some horrid religion was being practiced there. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 17 16:40:30 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 16:34:44 2013. I've never heard of a group of atheists rallying a crowd to attack a building because some horrid religion was being practiced there. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 16:45:14 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 17 15:09:09 2013. Heh. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 16:47:54 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 17 13:58:06 2013. If drafted soldiers during Vietnam weren't the real America, I don't know who is.The college-clinging parents of today's generation of smug liberals were going to demonstrations, pretending to be revolutionaries, and feeling self-important. Were they the real America I missed? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 16:49:01 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 17 10:00:35 2013. And may end with it too. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 16:50:11 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 17 16:40:30 2013. I can't view the video.Gay. Atheists? Any incitement to unlawful activity? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 16:51:22 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 17 12:22:01 2013. You're not Aslan, are you Lion? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 16:56:16 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 16:34:44 2013. They do the latter, early and often.But they do it through the courts. They do it in the name of their self-righteous purity. They look for the 10 commandments or a single cross on public land, and then exert their non-sacred sacred duty to expunge this atrocity from the eyes of man (and woman, and LGBTs and otherkins). |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 17 16:57:05 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 16:50:11 2013. Gay. Atheists?Yes. Any incitement to unlawful activity? Yeah, they were an unlawful mob blocking traffic, climbing on cars, threatening people that disagreed with them, etc. Not sure if all of it is in that video or not. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 16:59:47 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 17 14:48:33 2013. To channel Bill Clinton, that depends on the definition of flat. The earth is spherical in its totality, but any discreet portion may well be described as flat. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 17:09:11 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 16 23:16:00 2013. Science is not a discrete thing that exists in a bubble, like, uhmmm, "god."Scientific truth is expressed by scientists, and is a stunningly squishy field, as I've learned from actual scientists, if you consider that PhDs in such fields as Biology, Physics and Anthropology that I'm personally acquainted with fit the definition of scientist. See what happens to your career, your ability to publish (or perish), or to get plum assignments, or to get your grant renewed (not to mention your academic freedom) if what you glean from your research doesn't agree with your department head, your team leader, or your grantor, to name a few. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 17 18:09:04 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 16:56:16 2013. Why is it that religious people feel that the totems of their faith need to be validated by the state? I really want to know.It's one thing putting the Decalogue up as an exhibit of our legal heritage, it's quite another pretending that it should be in the same position of honor as our flag, our Great Seal and our founding documents. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 17 18:10:34 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 17 16:40:30 2013. In that case it was anger at them having had their religious views enshrined into law, not so much an attack on the religion itself.Don't like gay marriage, then don't get gay married. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 17 18:12:46 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 16:49:01 2013. No, it won't. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 18:20:00 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 17 18:09:04 2013. The same position of honor as our flag? When did you become such a patriot? There are all kinds of exhibits in public spaces, some of them controversial, and people don't babble about them being equivalent to our flag, great seal, and so on. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 17 18:21:28 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 17 18:09:04 2013. I find the insecurity of the faithful to be tiresome as well.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Feb 17 18:24:37 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 16:56:16 2013. They look for the 10 commandments or a single cross on public landWhich funnily enough never match the "ten commandments" mentioned in the text of Exodus 34. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 17 18:26:56 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 18:20:00 2013. And in those sorts of situations, there's no problem with religious art. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 18:29:24 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 17 18:26:56 2013. Oh, a tastefully done Jesus on the cross is OK by you? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 17 18:31:11 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 18:20:00 2013. Our republic was founded on great philosophy, and not medieval bullshit like common ancestry and faith. That's why its symbols deserve a position of honor. . |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 17 18:32:02 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 18:29:24 2013. Not in a courthouse or other government building that is used for a government function. If it's used as an art museum, then sure. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 18:34:27 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 17 18:21:28 2013. Oscar Wilde, you're not.your pal, SLRT |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Feb 17 18:40:35 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 08:35:42 2013. Yes, they should mention all the different Judaeo-Christian dates*. They should mention that not all versions of Genesis have the same numbers in them. They should mention the discontinuities that have also given rise to an enormous range of different dates for the Genesis creation stories.* Here are a few, shamelessly plagiarized from the free encyclopedia that anyone can vandalize: Christian Charles Josias Bunsen (20000 BC) Tarleton Perry Crawford (12,500 BC) Harold Camping (11013 BC) Alphonse of Castille (6984 BC or 6484 BC) Clement of Alexandria (5592 BC) Theophilus of Antioch (5529 BC) Julius Africanus (5501 BC) Gregory of Tours (5500 BC) Hippolytus of Rome (5500 BC) Panodorus of Alexandria (5493 BC) Maximus the Confessor (5493 BC) George Syncellus (5492 BC) Sulpicius Severus (5469 BC) Isidore of Seville (5336 BC) Eusebius (5228 BC) Jerome (5199 BC) Marianus Scotus (4192 BC) Maimonides (4058 BC) Henri Spondanus (4051 BC) Benedict Pereira (4021 BC) Louis Cappel (4005 BC) James Ussher (4004 BC) Augustin Calmet (4002 BC) Isaac Newton (4000 BC) Johannes Kepler (3977 BC) Petavius (3984 BC) Theodore Bibliander (3980 BC) Christen Sørensen Longomontanus (3966 BC) Melanchthon (3964 BC) Martin Luther (3961 BC) John Lightfoot (3960 BC) Bede (3952 BC) Cornelius Cornelii a Lapide (3951 BC) Joseph Justus Scaliger (3949 BC) Christoph Helvig (3947 BC) Gerardus Mercator (3928 BC) Matthieu Brouard (3927 BC) Benito Arias Montano (3849 BC) Andreas Helwig (3836 BC) David Gans (3761 BC) Hillel II (3761 BC) — aka why the Jewish year minus the Gregorian year obviously isn't 4004 Gershom ben Judah (3754 BC) Jose ben Halafta (3751 BC) Yom-Tov Lipmann Heller (3616 BC) |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Feb 17 18:44:33 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:35:48 2013. But most faith-based believers seem to deny that in favor of a literal belief in Genesis.It's not even a literal belief in Genesis. It's a taking of little snippets of Genesis out of their cultural and literary context and twisting them to say something they don't really mean. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 17 18:47:46 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 08:35:42 2013. Agreed! |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Feb 17 18:48:19 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 17 12:16:47 2013. Agnostic atheism can be distinguished from gnostic atheism.These are the hidden sayings that the living Dawkins spoke and that his fictitious twin brother Twinny wrote down... |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Feb 17 18:50:32 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 19:07:21 2013. Were you around when the universe was created? eh?STOP ATTACKING |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Feb 17 18:58:39 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Feb 15 20:10:18 2013. Kinda ironic, given that Protestantism relied on natural reason to criticize the Bishop of Rome's worst excesses... |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 19:15:17 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Feb 17 18:58:39 2013. Many religions have brought us a mix of superb thinking and totally arrogant narrow-minded crap. The Roman Catholic Church, the Church of England, and many Protestant groups are no exception. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Feb 17 19:33:07 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 19:15:17 2013. Who is running these religions? HUMANS.......imperfect beings and greedy for POWER. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 17 19:49:42 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 18:34:27 2013. That's not a bad thing :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 20:04:58 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 17 19:49:42 2013. Amusingly, given the claims today that gays are associated with atheism, the homophobic Marquess of Queensbury couldn't sit in the House of Lords because he was an atheist. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 17 20:13:07 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 17 18:31:11 2013. Great post |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 17 20:15:02 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 20:04:58 2013. Ha!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 17 20:16:14 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 17:09:11 2013. If your god needs you to refute settled science in order to prove his power and existence, he's not much of a god. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 17 20:21:58 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 17 20:16:14 2013. Most of the great scientific discoveries in history were the result of refuting settled science. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 21:46:42 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 17 20:16:14 2013. That wasn't about god(s), that was about the fact that science has orthodoxies of it own, and if you challenge that you'd better be ready to take a lot of heat or find a different trade. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 17 22:28:08 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Feb 17 18:24:37 2013. The ten commandments are not mentioned in Exodus 34, that's why. They're in Exodus 20. Deuteronomy 5 says so. There is an implied "and" in Exodus 34:28. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 17 23:31:15 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 17 21:46:42 2013. that was about the fact that science has orthodoxies of it ownScience, or scientists with certain funding sources . . . ? The scientific method is unchanging. Scientists are not above fraud, though. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 18 00:13:23 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 17 20:16:14 2013. He's YOUR GOD too..and He doesn't need validation from anyone.Also..any disparaging remarks,made of or about him falls on deaf ears.You don't want THAT kind of attention from him. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 18 00:17:06 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 19:43:02 2013. yes..you believed. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 18 00:41:58 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 18 00:13:23 2013. He's YOUR GOD too..and He doesn't need validation from anyone.Apparently SLRT and Rosen must be worshiping some minor deity since the OP and SLRT's defense of it points to that. Any disparaging remark I may have made is directed at their anti-science statements and not to my God or anyone else's. It appears that some of the posters here seem to be worried that their omnipotent god may end up being murdered by a bunch of lowly atheists. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 18 00:51:45 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Feb 17 18:40:35 2013. They should mention that not all versions of Genesis have the same numbers in themNumbers? You know who added numbers to the scriptures, right? It was not the Masoretes. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 18 00:53:22 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 18 00:51:45 2013. Numbers? You know who added numbers to the scriptures, right?some autistic railfan? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Feb 18 07:48:19 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 17 10:38:00 2013. Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told.Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right. How many people out there do what is right without being told? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Feb 18 07:52:58 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 17 13:58:06 2013. You need to get out into the "real America". You will find many millions of folks who believe in the literal truth of the Genesis account."Many millions" is still closer to "tiny fraction" than "most." |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Feb 18 07:58:20 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 17 16:34:44 2013. I've never heard of a group of atheists rallying a crowd to attack a building because some horrid religion was being practiced there.The Soviet Union is a good example of atheists carrying their beliefs too far. An atheist state persecuting all religions is the same as a fundamentalist state persecuting all other religions. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 18 08:20:26 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:31:27 2013. Yes, eg evolution is a good theory. To use it to claim that creation was never necessary is to abuse it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 18 08:52:25 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 18 00:51:45 2013. The book of Genesis is about baseball. "In the big inning...:your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 18 09:45:37 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 18 08:20:26 2013. Because evolution only explains how the various species developed. It makes no claims on how life originated in the first place, or how the world or the universe was created. |
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