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Posted by Nilet on Tue Aug 26 20:08:59 2014, in response to Re: An Article Worth Reading: Why They Hate Israel, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 25 15:53:56 2014. Sigh, here we go again.A mixture of outright lies (like claiming Gaza doesn't have an airport) and mutilated half-truths (claiming Israel is not the aggressor; implying that Gaza's coastline is somehow impossible to navigate), spiced up with occasional lapses of logic where you spew complete and utter nonsense. I can't be bothered to write out yet another futile rebuttal that will go right in one ear and out the other. Maybe some other time. Right now, I'll just dissect some of the most egregious lapses of reason. Because the statue of limitations doesn't run out when you have a continuous presence in the land, and the "ancestral connection" isn't tenuous. Archeological remains have shown a constant, Jewish presence throughout modern-day Israel for thousands of years. A homeland is the concept of the place (cultural geography) with which an ethnic group holds a long history and a deep cultural association, or the country in which a particular national identity began. Israel meets the criteria as set forth by this definition for all Jews, including converts and those who are Jewish through patrilinial descent. You contradicted yourself. First you claim "right of return" is based on ancestry and descent, then you claim that anybody can claim right of return based on converting. I'm pretty sure you can't "convert" to a different ancestry. If you could, I'd claim a bunch of tax breaks by "converting" to First Nations of some sort. The problem here is that you're trying to play a shell game, where Judaism is an ethnicity when it's convenient to claim a land as an "ancestral home," but it's a religion when it comes to conversion. You can't have it both ways. Decide what Judaism is and stick with it. You're confusing me with Olog and CMM. They can stay, and they've been offered a state of their own, but they have rejected each and every proposal, preferring to go to war or to launch terror attacks against Israel instead. This is yet another attempt to claim a double standard— Jews anywhere in the world have an inherent right to move to Israel because of ancestors who lived there three millennia ago, but only Jews have this right. All the other people who can trace ancestry back there within the last 3,000 years need not apply— and you consider yourself gracious for not kicking out the non-Jews currently living there. Let's be fair and if you are going to criticize Israel for its blockade, also make sure to criticize Egypt for doing the same. Except Egypt is not doing the same— a fact you can't seem to wrap your head around even after I explained it in very small words. Because Hamas finds ways to use lots of conventional items (i.e. ketchup) as weapons (i.e. fake blood for the propaganda that you fall for on a regular basis). WTF? You can't possibly be serious. It was bad enough when you were claiming that Gaza needed to be forced into poverty because Hamas might use supplies to make weapons, but now you're claiming that Gaza needs to be impoverished because Hamas might use vital supplies as props in a video??! Even ignoring the fact that you seem to have this paranoid conspiracy theory that I watch propaganda from Hamas, do you seriously fail to understand the difference between a weapon and a stage prop? I'd love to see you explain to a Gazan child why he has to starve because giving him food might help a bad man say things you don't like. If you truly cared about the Palestinian civilians, you would speak up against the egregious violation of international law that Hamas has engaged in since the moment they took control of Gaza. (Armenia has been blockaded by sea since 1988), there have been plenty of other, shorter naval blockades in recent years against Taiwan, Yugoslavia, Croatia, Iraq, and other nations. Egypt blockaded the Straits of Tiran and Israel in 1973, so it isn't like Israel hasn't been blockaded itself. Your unrelenting criticism of Israel's blockade in light of the fact that other countries do this too does little to suggest that your issues are closed borders and people's predisposition to fight wars. This is just more rehashing of the tired old red herring you like to use— in a discussion about Israel, I criticise something Israel did, and you respond by pointing to some other country on the other side of the planet who did it too, and claim that since I didn't denounce them, in this thread, apropos of nothing, I must necessarily endorse their actions, making me a hypocrite by denouncing Israel for same. This time around, I'll remind you that by your own argument, you endorse the Holocaust, since you didn't denounce it in this thread, but since logic won't penetrate your skull, I might respond to similar use of the tactic by simply posting my picture of a red herring in the future. I can pass that test. I'm a many times great-grandson of Aaron the priest, Moses's brother, and a blood test can do a damn good job of providing evidence of that. Ah, a blood test will do "a damn good job" of proving that you are a direct descendent of a mythical figure who never actually existed. I think this tells me all I need to know about your competence and your qualifications to speak on this issue. |
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