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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 22:36:23 2008 This is going to take a while to get used to. Orion VII HEV 6561: Hicks Street and Atlantic Avenue  Orion VII HEV 6573: Columbia Street and Atlantic Avenue (note the Fung Wah Bus on the BQE overpass)  Orion VII HEV 6573: Rear view (note the Fresh Pond sticker)  Nova RTS 9481: Atlantic Avenue and Court Street  Nova RTS 9481: Rear view Enjoy! |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 6 22:42:49 2008, in response to PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 22:36:23 2008. Yeah after seeing nothing but CNG's on that line, Hybrids and RTS's will be quite a site on the B61.Nice pics. [I just wished FLA gave Grand Av the ex-NYCT RTS it got back recently for the B47] |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 22:44:40 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 6 22:42:49 2008. Thanks.I'm extremely glad that the Orion VII CNGs are finally off the B61. But that means no more C40LFs either, which isn't so good. At least hybrids and RTSs aren't so bad -- it'll help me remember when the B61 was all RTSs before the CNGs came to Gleason. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jan 6 22:48:40 2008, in response to PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 22:36:23 2008. It funny that all of this seems odd with the B61, but in fact the B61 is has sort of gone back to normal. Years (early 1980s) ago the B61 was a Crosstown route (which is not too far from Grand Ave). When Crosstown closed the B61 went to Gleason (then 5th Ave). |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 6 23:20:14 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 22:44:40 2008. Yeah, I agree, only the CNG O7's are the ones i like the least. The C40lf's will be missed though, those were pretty good. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 7 00:12:20 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jan 6 22:48:40 2008. Not only that, but did you know that some of the 8500s have returned to the B61? The only difference is that they are now being operated out of GA instead of at JG.Here's a fact: I rode 8540 on the B61 back in 1995 from Downtown Brooklyn-QBP. |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Mon Jan 7 01:37:40 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 7 00:12:20 2008. Yeah, seeing the 8500s back on the former JG routes is more like bringing back memories. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Jan 7 02:32:17 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 7 00:12:20 2008. Well not 8540, but I saw 8541 on the B3 yesterday. At first I thought it was 9541 [which I see the most of the 95xx RTS, but upon closer view it was 8541]. First 85xx bus I've seen in a while. 8507 I saw last month in Fla depot. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 06:42:20 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 22:44:40 2008. I hate the new B43 and B61 (along with the rest of Grand Avenue, especially the logo), now they're just ordinary routes that use Hyshits and RTS buses, and most importantly, out of all of the damn moves I saw today, not one diesel O5 showed up! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 06:56:16 2008, in response to PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 22:36:23 2008. Yesterday, I did take a Hyshit on the B61 (6606) and I waited 40 minutes as the 6:15PM from Queens Plaza did not show up. I also noticed that the driver of the 6:35PM started talking to some of the passengers during her short break in between runs saying that Grand Avenue got the route (as if they cared... smh), and how she doesn't really know the routing of it that well while she could have simply just looked at the map behind her during her break and jotted down some notes instead of stopping 3 times during the trip to ask the passengers the routing or getting up to look at the map. We also wasted 3 minutes trying to make that right turn onto Freeman Street from the extremely wide McGuinness Boulevard. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jan 7 10:07:38 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 7 00:12:20 2008. That was probably the only good thing about all the moves. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jan 7 10:17:00 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 06:56:16 2008. I noticed over the weekend a lot of buses running along the route Not In Service, to get familar with it.On Saturday, when I got on the B43, it was a hybrid. The B/O looked pretty pissed. I swear, we both had the same look on our faces. I said to him; "I just don't know what to say.". He responds; "Me either.". |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jan 7 14:01:34 2008, in response to PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 22:36:23 2008. What time did you take these photos? Just so happens I got 9481 on the LIC-bound 61 on Jay between Fulton & Willougby around 2:00.The driver was no doubt new to the route. Instead of making the prescribed left off Classon onto Kent, he took an around-the-block detour via Rutledge, Whythe and Heyward before going normal. This was accompanied by the expected gutteral squeals and cries of "WTF?!" Makes you wonder: when a driver is new to a route, is he given a route map or a piece of paper listing the moves as with subway shuttles? The Brooklyn Bus Map doesn't make it clear that LIC-bound B61s are supposed to use Keap when switching from Kent to Whythe- even the Williamsburg close-up. Later that afternoon I rode the Q54 from Union Turnpike to Queens Boulevard. During the ride and somewhat long wait beforehand, I saw 9100s, 9500s and Hybrids- no 8800s. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 15:23:38 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jan 7 14:01:34 2008. It shouldn't be that hard as the B61 turn guides are listed on gleasondepot.net. I don't understand how a driver can drive a route without knowing the route itself since that information is at the tip of their fingers. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 15:29:16 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jan 7 10:17:00 2008. The B65 is also now part of East New York now from what I saw yesterday, I guess that section of Brooklyn (Bed-Stuy) is just Hyshits and RTS' now. |
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Posted by (3) Livonia Ave. Local on Mon Jan 7 16:48:54 2008, in response to PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 22:36:23 2008. That's so true. After seeing the O7s for so long, it's hard to imagine the RTSs there, although they were there before...nice pictures! Can't wait to ride 'em. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jan 7 17:22:56 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 15:29:16 2008. Yep. Heck, I take the B52 and the B61 to school, so no escape there. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jan 7 17:24:56 2008, in response to PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 22:36:23 2008. Now the biggie question: How do they handle the Pulaski Bridge? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Jan 7 18:05:07 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jan 7 14:01:34 2008. What time did you take these photos? Just so happens I got 9481 on the LIC-bound 61 on Jay between Fulton & Willougby around 2:00.2:20PM-2:30PM, approximately. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Jan 7 18:19:33 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jan 7 14:01:34 2008. So the B61 got taken over by Fresh Pond? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 18:35:19 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Jan 7 18:19:33 2008. No, it got taken over by the new Grand Avenue depot unfortunately. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Jan 7 18:38:00 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 18:35:19 2008. Ah, alright, where did the buses from Grand avenue Depot come from? Also, what other routes do they work? And lastly, why did they take over the B61? |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Jan 7 18:42:02 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Jan 7 18:38:00 2008. 'where did the buses from Grand avenue Depot come from?'they were delivered at a nearby hospital....... |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Jan 7 18:43:21 2008, in response to PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 22:36:23 2008. 'This is going to take a while to get used to.'sure will, just yesterday it was being utilized by trolleys..... |
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Posted by transitbuff on Mon Jan 7 19:08:29 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by monorail on Mon Jan 7 18:42:02 2008. You must mean Woodhull Hospital, Broadway& Flushing Ave. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Mon Jan 7 19:11:10 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by monorail on Mon Jan 7 18:42:02 2008. Sounds like a Chipper 10 question where is he anyway this is what he's been waiting for. All these Grand ave moves. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Jan 7 19:16:00 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by busdude2 on Mon Jan 7 19:11:10 2008. Chipper 10 question? No, you see, I will respond to the replies, and I would like to know more info about Grand Avenue Depot and why the B61 was taken over. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Mon Jan 7 19:18:04 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Jan 7 19:16:00 2008. Just kidding ,but its funny he has not posted during these moves. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 19:28:02 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Jan 7 18:38:00 2008. IIRC the Hyshits and some RTS' came from Fresh Pond, with even more RTS' coming from Flatbush. What I wish would happen is some Orion V diesel action in Brooklyn (sorry to all of those sick of seeing this same rant, they're just my favorite buses).The routes I've seen Grand Avenue operating are the B43, B48, B57, B61 (although they do a horrible job operating the now seemingly unreliable B61 due to them not doing the obvious and jotting down routing information). Other routes I recall they're operating are the B15, B24, B39, B47, B51 (still belongs at Jackie Gleason), B60, and Q59. I honestly do not know why they took the B61 unless peak direction in the AM is south and in the PM it's north. Jackie Gleason is closer to the B61's Red Hook terminal by almost a mile (when compared to the distance between Grand Avenue and Queens Plaza) and is a faster deadhead being 10 minutes as opposed to 14 minutes between Grand Avenue and Queens Plaza. Same goes for the B43. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Jan 7 19:31:09 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 19:28:02 2008. heh, interesting. So what is the point for taking over these routes now? And if these buses are coming from Fresh Pond and Flatbush, what are replacing there buses? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 19:50:15 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Jan 7 19:31:09 2008. Flatbush is supposedly getting all of East New York's 1994 RTS'. Fresh Pond is supposedly getting 1996 RTS' from Kingsbridge, East New York, and Yukon along with some 1998 RTS' from Flatbush. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Jan 7 20:06:45 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 19:28:02 2008. What I wish would happen is some Orion V diesel action in Brooklyn (sorry to all of those sick of seeing this same rant, they're just my favorite buses).Go to Bay Ridge. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 20:15:02 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Jan 7 20:06:45 2008. I doubt that Castleton and Yukon are part of the Brooklyn division. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Jan 7 20:21:43 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 20:15:02 2008. So? It's still "Orion V diesel action in Brooklyn", as you originally put it. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 20:35:47 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Jan 7 20:21:43 2008. Whatever, you know what I mean, don't be a wiseguy. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 7 20:51:06 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Jan 7 19:31:09 2008. I think the purpose is to integrate the new depot, Grand Av, into the system, providing another facility to help out and shorten deadheads. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 7 21:09:07 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Jan 6 22:42:49 2008. Brooklyn Division had no Orion V's before the changes and I didn't expect any after. Replacement parts and training for the mechanics would be needed and that is an added operational expense. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 7 21:11:01 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jan 6 22:48:40 2008. Grand Ave. depot is a reincarnation of the old Crosstown Depot with added routes. The only route that didn't go back is the B18 which has been replaced by the B18. The old B62 is now the B43. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 7 21:15:35 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jan 7 10:17:00 2008. I really don't think NYCT would think very highly of an operator taking a bus out of the depot for a little spin just to get used to a new route. Let him drive his own car and pay for his own gas! No doubt the buses you saw running on the route were transfer moves. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 7 21:19:55 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 06:56:16 2008. Shame on her for asking the passengers the route. Extremely unprofessional. If she didn't know it, it was her responsibility before pull out to copy it down. All route "adjendas" (street names, where to turn left, where to turn right, etc.) are available in the depot for every route operating out of there. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 7 21:27:19 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 15:23:38 2008. If the route guides were not available in the new depot, then it was the operators responsibility to do whatever he/she had to do to get it beforeheand, even if a trip to Gleason depot was necessary before the change, even if the driver was not then stationed there. Subway t/o's, if they don't know their line-ups on an unfamilar route are supposed to get guides too. gleasondepot.net? Nice, I will check this out, didn't know it existed, but having internet is not a prequisite to be a NYCT bus operator. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 22:12:27 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 7 21:27:19 2008. Yeah, gleasondepot.net is pretty cool, although it may be a couple of years outdated I think it's still mostly accurate, it even has directions to Zerega from Jackie Gleason. |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Tue Jan 8 00:08:21 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jan 7 14:01:34 2008. i would'nt say it's the Operator's fault he or she maybe new to the route but not to the job remember some of these guy's and gal's came from Manhattan and The Bronx Division respectively now that OA can pick into Brooklyn Division and may not have had enough time to go over the route |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Tue Jan 8 00:48:44 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 7 21:19:55 2008. no it is not her fault as i stated before some of the Operators are from Manhattan and the Bronx Division or other Brooklyn Division Depots if the MTA would have done this along time ago instead of restricting Operators from going to different Divisions this type of problem would not have occurred an Operating Authority,Long Island Bus, and an MTA Bus should not even EXSIST this duplicative shit has got to STOP |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Tue Jan 8 00:50:27 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Operator3319 on Tue Jan 8 00:48:44 2008. I meant EXIST*** |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jan 8 04:30:21 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 7 22:12:27 2008. Wow, it even has a .pdf of the rule book. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Jan 8 08:42:25 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 7 21:19:55 2008. Not the first time this has happened. I recall riding Command Bus on a Saturday with a rookie driver who asked me to assist him with the stops [I was the first passenger to board]in exchange for a free ride. |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Jan 8 11:49:43 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Jan 8 08:42:25 2008. I had to direct a Greyhound driver all the way from Wilmington, DE to Port Authority (with the stop in Newark) almost 3 years ago. He was from Texas and came over to help with a shortage or something, but knew nothing about the route, and only had a crudely written set of directions. At first, he started following a sign to "Newark", but this was the one in Delaware-- heading back to where the bus had come from (the other direction, towards Washington!)I myself got mixed up on Raymond Blvd where there was a fork, and no sign, and we ended up on the bridge to Harrison. People who lived around there were able to get us back into Newark station. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jan 8 12:26:29 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 7 21:11:01 2008. I think you meant the B18 being replaced with the B13. I wonder why the B13 didnt go to Grand Ave?I guess you got your RDO on Sunday...;) |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Tue Jan 8 13:31:10 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: The new B61, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jan 8 12:26:29 2008. B13 goes right in front of FP. I see BO's usually switch at FP Road and 67 AV. Makes no sense to be at Grand Av. |
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