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Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sat Oct 13 13:40:16 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DOB2RTO on Sat Oct 13 11:53:37 2007. Yeah maybe that would work. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Oct 13 13:45:21 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by PATHman on Sat Oct 13 12:56:46 2007. This, however, is a foreign design off the shelf. Tokyo has run this model for 4 years with success. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Oct 13 14:09:17 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DOB2RTO on Sat Oct 13 11:53:37 2007. But what ugliness, once you look at it? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Oct 13 14:22:11 2007, in response to The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Oct 12 20:24:28 2007. Lol these short pieces of shit that look like my friend's dog is NYC Buses' future? |
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Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sat Oct 13 17:27:02 2007, in response to The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Oct 12 20:24:28 2007. Oh god, I think I'm gonna be sick but seriously the bus is ugly. Also, why are they looking into shorter buses when the population of NY is growing? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 13 17:38:00 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sat Oct 13 01:34:24 2007. Even if it is assigned to specific runs, I doubt if you can set your watch as to when it would arrive at Point A or B due to all the crosstown traffic. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Sat Oct 13 17:58:05 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Transit Guy on Sat Oct 13 17:27:02 2007. This a demo bus, absolutely, they are not gonna order 40 foot below. MTA is taking a look on this hybrid package. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 11:20:41 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Oct 12 20:59:42 2007. The tour is also being sponsored by Wachovia! |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sun Oct 14 11:21:12 2007, in response to The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Oct 12 20:24:28 2007. Well, I think it's ugly. What about the back? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 11:30:19 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by monorail on Fri Oct 12 22:12:33 2007. No, it is a much worse paint job. It covers the windows preventing you from having a clear view. It sucks. |
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Posted by DOB2RTO on Sun Oct 14 11:33:04 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 11:30:19 2007. I only see two passenger windows on the drivers side. I see no outline under the paint of any other windows. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 11:35:34 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 13 17:38:00 2007. IAWTP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 11:38:11 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Oct 13 10:11:41 2007. why not |
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 11:39:14 2007, in response to Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DOB2RTO on Fri Oct 12 21:40:18 2007. that's my guess. wachovia is paying for this tour. nyct did not ask for this, afaik. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 11:42:25 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sat Oct 13 01:28:50 2007. Metal is better than plastic [because] plastic seems cheap.That's really, really, bad reasoning. You don't know what this bus is actually made of. You don't know if this bus is made out of carbon fiber composites. You have no idea who strong this bus really is. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 11:42:52 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sat Oct 13 01:28:50 2007. Metal is better than plastic [because] plastic seems cheap.That's really, really, bad reasoning. You don't know what this bus is actually made of. You don't know if this bus is made out of carbon fiber composites. You have no idea how strong this bus really is. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 11:46:48 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by PATHman on Sat Oct 13 12:56:46 2007. Why would you get flamed? Do you not see almost every other person on this forum stating the same opinion as you????????? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 12:15:18 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sun Oct 14 11:21:12 2007. LINK |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 12:16:18 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DOB2RTO on Sun Oct 14 11:33:04 2007. I believe those are ALL windows... |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Oct 14 13:09:49 2007, in response to The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Oct 12 20:24:28 2007. wheres the rest of the windows looks like a puked up tour bus? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 13:24:48 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by PATransit on Sun Oct 14 13:09:49 2007. i think they are all windows... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Oct 14 13:52:29 2007, in response to The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Oct 12 20:24:28 2007. I thought the MTA didn't want buses with a single pane windshield.Isn't that one of the reasons NOVA LFS wasn't purchased? |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Oct 14 13:52:29 2007, in response to The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Oct 12 20:24:28 2007. somebody should ride this thing and get interior shots. |
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Posted by caine515 on Sun Oct 14 13:59:34 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by PATransit on Sun Oct 14 13:09:49 2007. You know, i don't know why so many people are picking on this new bus. Let's analyze this for a minute:1-NOVABUS is not comning back to nYC. Nope. Never. 2-Orion at the moment is to be the dominant bus for MTA. 3-The Hybrid is a TEST. It's not what the city would get but we MIGHT get something close to it-at least be 40 ft. There really isn't many bus manufacturers left to distribute to NYC or in general. the Flyer is the biggest but with all the issues surrounding the bus, it is amazing that the city got what they did. I particulaly love the Gilligs and the Flexible Metros. But the city isn't buying the Gilligs and the Flexibles aren't made anymore. Accept what we have because it's basically what's there. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 14:12:21 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Edwards! on Sun Oct 14 13:52:29 2007. I thought the MTA didn't want buses with a single pane windshield.This bus doesn't represent what the MTA wants!!!!!! This is a one-size fits all demo being paraded around the country by Wachovia. I'm sure NYCT did NOT request this. They accepted it for testing just to see how the hybrid system works. They are not seriously considering the bus containing the hybrid system. This is purely an evaluation of the technology, not the bus containing it! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 14:12:54 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by PATransit on Sun Oct 14 13:52:29 2007. I will try to, my good man. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 14:14:11 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by caine515 on Sun Oct 14 13:59:34 2007. I also don't understand why so many people are throwing a hissy fit. Besides the fact that we WON'T get this exact bus, it's not the bus they don't like, but the state of current European design. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 14 17:23:14 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 14:14:11 2007. This isn't a European design, however. This is a New Zealand design. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 14 17:27:29 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 12:16:18 2007. You're right. The two windows that look clear are really the two that double as emergency exits. But I can see how one (including myself) can get fooled. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 17:39:28 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 14 17:23:14 2007. I know where it came from. Obviously I meant that it is consistent with European design. I doubt New Zealand has its own design language for buses. As such, their designers are likely heavily influenced by what is being designed in Europe and Asia. |
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Posted by DOB2RTO on Sun Oct 14 19:45:15 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 14:14:11 2007. I like European design, such as Van-Hool. That looks like a bus, not an RV. There are European models that look like buses, and have bus capacity.Besides why would they test this hideous smaller contraption of a bus, with passenger loads, but never put that Van-Hool artic model out for the public to ride, and see how the public felt about that. They just kept that artic in Zerega facility, before sending it back to AC Transit. Van-Hool wanted the MTA to test that bus. MTA = ass backwards at times. I understand why so many people are throwing a hissy fit. It's human nature to do so, when change comes along. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Oct 14 19:55:19 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DOB2RTO on Sun Oct 14 19:45:15 2007. They also had a nova artic demo so I thought about a year or two ago. |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Oct 14 20:03:21 2007, in response to The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Oct 12 20:24:28 2007. Its seems like buses are looking more f*cked up model afet model. The RTS look should of stayed. |
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Posted by DOB2RTO on Sun Oct 14 20:31:06 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by busdude2 on Sun Oct 14 19:55:19 2007. Never did test on that one either, with real passengers on board (aka revenue service testing). They do make them as hybrids. They could of got input on how the riding public felt about that. That one I am fond of the design too. It did have the upright engine, like most buses do, unlike the Hool. I can understand why they might of not decided to get the Hool. It would cost alot to train the amount of mechanics we have at the TA, to work on that kind of engine. Plus we really don't have the space in the depots to make room for engines that have to be accessed from the side. It's tight already. But the nova LFS artic, has a common type of bus engine, it comes as a hybrid, and it should of been thoroughly tested. More routes need artics, as they are showing at Baisley Park. Instead of wasting time testing this thing, they should be focused on testing artics. We have a supplier of 40ft hybrid buses, and it does keep upstate with jobs. Time to test what really needs to be tested. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 20:34:43 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DOB2RTO on Sun Oct 14 19:45:15 2007. There are European models that look like busesI agree. There are some buses that differ over there. But from what I saw in London, Israel, and in the photos posted here from China, buses with designs similar to this one are all over the place. and have bus capacity NYCT is not evaluating the capacity of the bus. They would not buy 35 footers. They are likely just evaluating the hybrid system. Besides why would they test this hideous smaller contraption of a bus, with passenger loads, but never put that Van-Hool artic model out for the public to ride Because it seems Wachovia and/or the manufacturer are footing some part of the bill. Maybe all of it. And NYCT might want to see how the hybrid system works. But I highly highly highly doubt they are at all considering purchasing this exact bus model with that length and that width. I understand why so many people are throwing a hissy fit. It's human nature to do so, when change comes along. But this isn't change. They won't buy this model bus. And I highly doubt they'd buy any bus that looks like that. The most likely scenario is that they'd use this buses hybrid system, or one like it, in a bus with a more traditional body. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 20:36:40 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DOB2RTO on Sun Oct 14 20:31:06 2007. Instead of wasting time testing this thing, they should be focused on testing artics.I don't think they are wasting much time with this thing. They were probably offered it by Wachovia, with Wachovia paying some portion of the costs for the test runs. It may just be a win/win for NYCT. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 14 20:38:32 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by FarRock on Sun Oct 14 20:03:21 2007. I wonder if the bus fans of yester year had the same negative reaction to the RTS and Grumman 870 demo's as the bus fans of today have of this new hybrid bus. I would think the answer would be an absolute YES! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 20:40:27 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 14 20:38:32 2007. I agree. But the difference is that those buses were serious contenders. Whereas I doubt this one is. |
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Posted by DOB2RTO on Sun Oct 14 20:43:21 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 20:36:40 2007. If they got a free fleet for testing (10 buses) it would be a win-win. Right now it is a waste of time. We have upstate residents to keep with jobs, in the future. Orion VII NG anyone? The 400-600series rust buckets, time should be nearing also. They will need replacement, soon. I hope very soon. RTS 8109 didn't rattle as much as, these 400-600series. The shells are noticeably cracking on some. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 20:46:01 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DOB2RTO on Sun Oct 14 20:43:21 2007. We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I don't see how testing this bus's hybrid system is "costing" NYCT anything. |
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Posted by q55viamyrtle on Sun Oct 14 21:10:27 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 14 20:38:32 2007. From what I remember, the RTS and Grummans were well liked. They had a comfortable ride, were fast, looked good, had working a/c and riders loved seeing a "new" bus approaching as they waited for their ride. |
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Oct 14 21:13:38 2007, in response to Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 11 15:41:01 2007. That's what the article in the original post leads me to believe. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Oct 14 21:31:50 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 11:42:52 2007. IAWTP. I think a lot of people on this thread are hatin' on the bus's design because it's different. What if it were flipped around? What if instead of RTSs and Orions, every bus in this general area looked like the DesignLine MK-1, and a boxy Gillig or Orion 5 showed up for testing? Frankly, I like the different look. Now, if they could just send up some New Flyer DE40's or Optima Opuses, that'd be cool. |
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 21:53:59 2007, in response to Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Oct 14 21:13:38 2007. Yeah well since then we've seen photos of it on the M42. |
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 14 21:55:20 2007, in response to Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Oct 14 21:13:38 2007. And the original article only said it would be on 42 St this week. It didn't clearly say that it had started running. You know how the media often gets things wrong. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Oct 14 21:56:18 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Oct 12 23:38:02 2007. I agree with you on the front. I like that the side has one continuous window (with the two emergency exit panels). I'd also like to see the rear. I'll probably go into Manhattan to take a look at this thing myself. I also noticed that the bus is numbered 9900, which is a number that was skipped when renumbering the Queens Surface Orion 5's when they were taken over by MTA Bus (QSC 468 is now MTAB 9899, QSC 469 is now MTAB 9901). Obviously, this particular demo bus was probably not the intent of skipping the number, it is interesting that a demo bus has acquired it. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Oct 14 22:05:46 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Oct 14 21:31:50 2007. The Optima Opus...it maybe could work here.I'd like to see a 40' version attempted, however. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 14 22:20:13 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Oct 14 22:05:46 2007. If you want a low floor 40 footer, NABI will sell you a 40LFW, however, not an Opus (Optima Bus, NABI, Blue-Bird, and now Chrysler (although the bus division is expected to be severed) are all under one umbrella).Car, van, SUV, school bus, commercial bus, or motorcoach, NABI or a sister company will sell it to you. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 14 22:21:06 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Oct 14 22:20:13 2007. BTW, that would be the bus division of DaimlerChrysler (as it is called now) that would be severed from Chrysler. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sun Oct 14 23:06:43 2007, in response to Re: The horror (1 pic) Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by PATransit on Sun Oct 14 13:52:29 2007. I'll be in the city tomorrow and/or Tuesday. I'll see what I can do. |
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