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Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Dec 1 10:50:59 2010, in response to Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 30 18:19:21 2010. It's ~1/2 mile walk from Arthur Kill Road.The only logical route is left on Veteran's Road W, right on Tyrellan, right on Boscombe (thru to Page), right on Richmond Valley Road, then left on Arthur Kill; it serves three shopping centers and the skating center on the way, but likely adds 10-15 minutes to the running time. |
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Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Dec 1 14:22:40 2010, in response to Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Dec 1 10:50:59 2010. My idea was to reroute some S74 trips via the shopping center then Bloomingdale Road before resuming on the current route to St. George at Woodrow Road. |
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Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Dec 1 16:24:58 2010, in response to Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island., posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Dec 1 14:22:40 2010. Then you lose service to the lower portion of Bloomingdale Rd, as well as along a large stretch of Arthur Kill Rd, including the prison, skating pavilion, an 'industrial' park, and a number of homes and businesses.Additionally, the route you propose would require a relatively long loop to get back on course, as it would need to stay on the highway service roads. |
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Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Dec 1 17:46:02 2010, in response to Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Dec 1 16:24:58 2010. Then another idea could be to extend the S55 yet again down Arthur Kill Road to Tottenville via the shopping centers. |
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Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 2 10:17:18 2010, in response to Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island., posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Dec 1 17:46:02 2010. That route is convoluted already; also, it runs weekdays only until 7pm. Not an ideal route to serve shopping centers, and it likely wouldn't have much ridership given the area it already runs.The bottom line is that the long-term lack of transit options south of Richmond Ave has made the area incredibly car-centric, and increasing transit options that don't serve places outside that area (i.e. don't go to the Ferry or Manhattan) wouldn't have a significant impact on ridership. |
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Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 2 16:30:04 2010, in response to Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 2 10:17:18 2010. That route is convoluted already; also, it runs weekdays only until 7pm. Not an ideal route to serve shopping centers, and it likely wouldn't have much ridership given the area it already runs.The only thing that matters is that it would connect the shopping center to the SIR which will take them to the more transit-friendly neighborhoods of upper-Staten Island quicker than the S74. The bottom line is that the long-term lack of transit options south of Richmond Ave has made the area incredibly car-centric, and increasing transit options that don't serve places outside that area (i.e. don't go to the Ferry or Manhattan) wouldn't have a significant impact on ridership. I think that a study should be conducted on that area. The S55 parallels the SIR for the most part, and the S56 doesn't cover much ground either. I think that there's more demand for South Shore-Staten Island Mall/Pleasant Plains Mall services than what is shown with the current ridership. |
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Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Dec 3 11:31:31 2010, in response to Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island., posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 2 16:30:04 2010. There isn't. South Shore buses local buses only do one thing-bring students to school.There's no transit demand for local destinations, and there never will be. The average income for the areas served is over $65,000. This is an area of two and three car households not because of a LACK of transit options, but because they don't WANT to use transit, outside of commuting to work five days a week. The demand just doesn't exist. |
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Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Dec 3 11:45:58 2010, in response to Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Dec 3 11:31:31 2010. Chicken, egg, and stigma.1. Few South Shore residents have access to local bus service. 2. Most South Shore residents lack knowledge of the local bus service they do have. 3. "Animals" ride the local buses. If MCIs were put on a new South Shore bus service designed for the local population, they would ride it. However, there is nothing designed for the local population and expansion of local bus service is not high on the list of things to do. |
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Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Dec 3 19:03:26 2010, in response to Re: Ready for the S55 reroute & the new S89 on Staten Island., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Dec 3 11:31:31 2010. There isn't. South Shore buses local buses only do one thing-bring students to school.A lot of routes in the island seem to serve that purpose, and that needs to be fixed. Money being wasted on transporting school kids in Staten Island could be used towards giving the Bx1 and Bx2 24/7 service. There's no transit demand for local destinations, and there never will be. The average income for the areas served is over $65,000. This is an area of two and three car households not because of a LACK of transit options, but because they don't WANT to use transit, outside of commuting to work five days a week. The demand just doesn't exist. I don't know if I could necessarily agree with that, Long Island Bus and New Jersey Transit have both managed to operate successful services in higher-income suburbs. As I see it, the South Shore of Staten Island seems to have three major destinations that attract ridership: Pleasant Plains Shops, Staten Island University Hospital South, and the Staten Island Mall. Creating new routes based on those destinations, in addition to better coordination with the Staten Island Railway and newer buses, the South Shore Staten Island bus network could be revamped. |
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