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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 16 07:52:16 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jan 16 00:52:15 2007.

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I wouldn't mind a 9250-9349 series bus if it were cleaner. That is, green stuff wasn't coming out of the soft seats.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jan 16 10:01:15 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 16 07:52:16 2007.

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Those buses should just be reseated, AND have their platforms removed.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jan 16 23:02:31 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 16 07:52:16 2007.

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What soft seats? Those seats aren't soft anymore.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jan 17 00:26:46 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jan 16 00:52:15 2007.

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The suburban RTSs have the worst seats I've ever encountered on any transit bus in my lifetime.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by PATHman on Wed Jan 17 00:37:41 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jan 17 00:26:46 2007.

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When they were originally on the express routes they weren't that bad. It was only when they were recycled and used on local routes that people cut up the seats and broke the recline button.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jan 17 00:49:02 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by PATHman on Wed Jan 17 00:37:41 2007.

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I've actually gotten the recline button to work in certain situations, however the seat back doesn't stay in one position when reclined.

Queens Surface, Command and Triboro ran soft-seat Orion V CNGs on local lines prior to the takeover (and after it, MTA Bus ran soft-seaters on locals for a while as well.) These seats weren't as terrible as the RTS suburban seats (plus, they were different) -- I think that it's an issue with the seat as well as the vandalism.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jan 17 07:20:14 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jan 17 00:49:02 2007.

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I don't think it's primarily an issue of vandalism, although I can't deny that vandalism is part of the problem.

I think it's primarily an issue of overuse. Local buses have much more rapid turnover than express buses, so those seats get used much more heavily than they did in express service.

The recline button works on most UP suburban seats. But why on earth would you want to recline? The only time I push the recline button is to raise the seat back.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 17 08:07:21 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jan 17 00:49:02 2007.

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The Q65A is still dominated by suburban O5 CNGs.

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Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A

Posted by Howard Fein on Wed Jan 17 09:37:53 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 17 08:07:21 2007.

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I always found it a bit strange that CP will run the 7200s (former TCC expresses) and 8500s (former QSC expresses) on the Q65A- even in rush hour. But the lines that run through downtown Flushing- namely the 25, 34, 65, 66 and QBX1- use strictly the hard-seated 98 and 9900s.

The 65A gets just as crowded in rush hour as the other named routes, and those aisle-narrowing suburban seats just don't mix well with crowds. Those immovable armrests are also an impediment to easy sitting and standing. On those occasions when I have to use the 65A out of Forest Hills during the PM rush, I'd rather hold out for a hard-seater.

The suburban O5s make sense on the relatively lightly-used Q104. I haven't especially paid attention, but it looks like the 67, 101 and 102 use primarily hard-seaters. And I haven't seen a 103 in years.


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Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A

Posted by QM18Express on Wed Jan 17 11:39:12 2007, in response to Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A, posted by Howard Fein on Wed Jan 17 09:37:53 2007.

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The aisle on those O5 CNG Soft Seats are not narrow. They got the same amount of room as the hard seaters. I take the Q65A about once a week and it seems to do well with the soft seat O5 CNG's. A O5 CNG soft seat on the QBX1 does pop up from time to time and I think they have at least 1 a day on that line. I know over the summer on saturday's I have rode on a few Ex Triboro O5 CNG's on the Q25 and I have not seen a Ex Triboro(Or a Ex QSC Soft Seat) on the Q25 since the summer time. I think the 7200's have better A/C but idk.

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Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A

Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Jan 17 11:45:46 2007, in response to Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A, posted by QM18Express on Wed Jan 17 11:39:12 2007.

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I usually see a 72xx on the Q67 and the Q104. I think the driver on the Q104 prefers the 72xx as opposed to the Orion local for whatever reason. I remember back in November, I saw 7243 on the QBX1. They are rare on lines such as the Q25, Q34 and the Q66 but they do pop up from time to time.
At the same time, I have seen locals on the express.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Jan 17 13:41:30 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by David of Broadway on Sun Jan 14 11:09:18 2007.

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As far as the situation with the O7 on the QM18, I personally didn't have a problem with it mainly because obviously the depot didn't have enought of the Cruisers to make that trip-so they had to substitute at last minute. Long as it's not happening 3 times every week for example.

In my opinion, the seats "are" part of the service. I know this is a bus forum, but I'm going to talk about rail transit just to get my point across.

Back in the '80s when the LIRR had their strike, a lot of Long Islanders as well as a lot of people in Far Rockaway were "forced" to ride the "A" train. The first thing people started doing when they boarded the train was to look for the overhead racks (mind you, this was an R44 we were on). When they didn't find that, then they started banging on the seats asking "where is the cushion?". Trust me, they noticed the difference in a quick fast hurry. Boy the whole thing was histerical.

Now, I know it sounds stupid, after all they were on a subway train, not a commuter railroad, but they actually expected the same service that they were "accustomed" to on the LIRR-even though they were paying less.

I said all of this because most of the passengers of the express buses in the NYC area are "accustomed" to certain "services" such as soft seats, having a seat (not standing), overhead lighting and racks, especially those traveling on the ex-LL and NYBS routes. After over 30 years of these things, you start rolling hard seated transit style buses-trust me they will notice and they will raise hell.

That's the point I was trying to make.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Jan 17 13:47:40 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jan 16 23:02:31 2007.

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Oh yes they are. Some of them anyway.

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Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A

Posted by QM18Express on Wed Jan 17 14:03:08 2007, in response to Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Jan 17 11:45:46 2007.

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Yea I agree on that. I have seen soft seaters on the Q66 not very often as well as the Q65. I know a few weeks ago I saw 8576 on the Q66 Woodside short trip on a sunday. I know the soft seaters normally show's up on the express routes, Q65A, Q67, Q102, and Q103. The only reason why the Q65A has soft seaters is because just about all of them are the oldest buses from CP and it's the shortest line out of that garage.

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Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Jan 17 14:10:43 2007, in response to Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A, posted by QM18Express on Wed Jan 17 14:03:08 2007.

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Those 8500 CNG Orion Vs, what was the former company and the numbers before the MTA takeover?

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Jan 17 14:14:18 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jan 16 23:02:31 2007.

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You know, I just figured out what you meant and boy you are right about those seats not being soft anymore. Please disregard my other post.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by QM18Express on Wed Jan 17 14:15:09 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Jan 17 13:41:30 2007.

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"I said all of this because most of the passengers of the express buses in the NYC area are "accustomed" to certain "services" such as soft seats, having a seat (not standing), overhead lighting and racks, especially those traveling on the ex-LL and NYBS routes. After over 30 years of these things, you start rolling hard seated transit style buses-trust me they will notice and they will raise hell."
Don't forget tinted windows and reading lights. Some of the people on the QM1/QM1A give me crazy looks if I decide to stand on the bus if there are no seats left. I don't really care about having a seat but I only care about where I have to get to. I have gotten used to standing up because I take the local buses pretty often and I take the subway sometimes.
While paying higher means to expect something like soft seats and other goodies for alot of people, I am not like that. I only pay $5 is because the QM1 Downtown get's me downtown pretty quickly(40-55 Mins) and not having to transfer not even once. If I went the local bus+subway I have to transfer 2 times and takes a little over an hour(Around 1 hr and 10 Mins to 1 hr and 20 Mins)


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Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A

Posted by Boliqua2 on Wed Jan 17 14:41:42 2007, in response to Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Jan 17 14:10:43 2007.

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They were ex Queens Surface, Finding the original number is easy. Just take the 8 off from the front of the number and you have the original number.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jan 17 17:23:55 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 17 08:07:21 2007.

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Do they interline that with the QM4 or something?

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 17 19:57:53 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Jan 17 13:41:30 2007.

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I'm sorry however, but the buses that the MTA should be using, if it decides to keep running these services, should be O5s or O7s with soft seats---such that they can be pressed into local service if need be.

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Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jan 17 19:58:42 2007, in response to Re: Former Express O5s on Q65A, posted by Howard Fein on Wed Jan 17 09:37:53 2007.

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Don't you mean the Q103 line (which runs weekdays only and hourly)?

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by QM18Express on Wed Jan 17 20:19:36 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jan 17 17:23:55 2007.

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No

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