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3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jan 5 13:58:23 2007

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What was 3557 doing on the QM18 last night? Did they run out of D4500s or something?





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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Future FLA bus operator on Fri Jan 5 14:09:11 2007, in response to 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jan 5 13:58:23 2007.

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Very interesting. Is that 6th Ave & 47th street???
HEV O7 on a express route. Looks like they did run out of express buses.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jan 5 14:18:10 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Future FLA bus operator on Fri Jan 5 14:09:11 2007.

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Oh, man! That must've been something!

It looks SO out of place.

I wonder how many people mistook it for an M7.

I also wonder how many people forked over five bucks to ride that thing.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Fri Jan 5 14:45:11 2007, in response to 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jan 5 13:58:23 2007.

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WHAT THE F**K?

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Fri Jan 5 15:46:54 2007, in response to 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jan 5 13:58:23 2007.

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Cool...

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 16:52:08 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Future FLA bus operator on Fri Jan 5 14:09:11 2007.

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I'm wondering how many angry faces went through those doors on that bus when they found out that they had to pay those $5 and ride on a local bus rather than their familiar express bus. Guess we need to bring back some Classics out from retirement...

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 16:52:36 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Future FLA bus operator on Fri Jan 5 14:09:11 2007.

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I'm wondering how many angry faces went through those doors on that bus when they found out that they had to pay those $5 and ride on a local bus rather than their familiar express bus. Guess we need to bring back some Classics out from retirement...

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 16:54:31 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Future FLA bus operator on Fri Jan 5 14:09:11 2007.

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I'm wondering how many angry faces went through those doors on that bus when they found out that they had to pay those $5 and ride on a local bus rather than their familiar express bus. Guess we need to bring back some Classics out from retirement...

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Jan 5 16:55:01 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 16:54:31 2007.

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Um, we heard you the first time.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 16:55:50 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 16:54:31 2007.

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Sorry for the triple post...internet signal on my laptop is just failing on me! :)

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Jan 5 16:57:57 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 16:55:50 2007.

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Oh, I guess your wireless then.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 17:02:10 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Jan 5 16:57:57 2007.

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Yep.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 5 17:34:23 2007, in response to 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jan 5 13:58:23 2007.

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I can bet a certain NYNY PA supporter will be in an uproar over this.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Fri Jan 5 18:28:23 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 16:52:08 2007.

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Guess we need to bring back some Classics out from retirement...

Wanna pick them out?

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 5 18:43:12 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Fri Jan 5 18:28:23 2007.

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How about that JBL one on the far left?

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 18:55:57 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jan 5 18:43:12 2007.

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Nah, I'd pick the ex-LLE bus on the far right!
:)

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 5 19:37:27 2007, in response to 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jan 5 13:58:23 2007.

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using a "local hardseater" on a express route?

won't get my 5 dollars.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 5 19:39:06 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 17:02:10 2007.

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Its the ONLY WAY to SURF.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by metropod on Fri Jan 5 20:28:41 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 5 19:37:27 2007.

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I once saw a transit seating CNG RTS on the QM24 back during the Triboro days!

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jan 5 20:33:57 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by metropod on Fri Jan 5 20:28:41 2007.

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I've seen all kinds of hard-seated buses on the PBL express lines before the MTA takeover.

But to see a hybrid on the QM18... that's not common in this day and age.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 6 00:08:28 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Fri Jan 5 18:28:23 2007.

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Yes, I will take all of them except for the ex-NYBS classics.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 00:24:24 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Jan 5 16:52:08 2007.

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The MTA's response is that they should be glad that a bus showed up...because I have seen 9700 series RTSs on the QM18.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sat Jan 6 00:36:43 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 00:24:24 2007.

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Does the QM18 run cruisers?

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 00:39:17 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sat Jan 6 00:36:43 2007.

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The QM18 sees almost everything, cruisers, O5s, and sometimes the local transit bus.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by petabread2 on Sat Jan 6 00:39:37 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 00:24:24 2007.

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That would be anybodys response. I think passengers would've been more pissed if a bus didn't show up at all. I don't know what happened to the bus assigned to it but hopefully they've straightened it out. As much as it sucks to ride a hard seater all the way back from the city, at least something showed up. If it was Green Lines, there wouldn't be a replacement for 2 hours.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 6 00:40:23 2007, in response to 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jan 5 13:58:23 2007.

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I wouldn't pay $5 to ride that. What's the MTA trying to pull on its riders?

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 00:41:36 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by petabread2 on Sat Jan 6 00:39:37 2007.

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But does MTA Bus assign express buses to a particular run (or driver)?

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by mr_brian on Sat Jan 6 00:45:18 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 6 00:40:23 2007.

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They could've just not provided a bus to begin with, and force its passengers to wait for who knows how long for their bus to come. Do you hate the Orion VII that much?

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 6 00:49:39 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by mr_brian on Sat Jan 6 00:45:18 2007.

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Paying a premium fare comes with the assumption that there'll be a comfortable ride. A bus that has an irritating engine and that sways from side to side every time it hits a pothole isn't comfortable.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by mr_brian on Sat Jan 6 00:50:59 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 6 00:49:39 2007.

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Better than no bus, still.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 00:53:48 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 6 00:49:39 2007.

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When I used to ride the QM1A until about 2 months AFTER takeover, transit-style buses were VERY common on the route. WHY? Because pullout must be made.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Jan 6 00:57:18 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 6 00:40:23 2007.

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You're right... the QM18 riders deserve the absolute best. Even though that the route is largely duplicated by faster, cheaper, more efficient subway lines (gasp -- anything but the subway!), they need expensive cruisers with fancy seats and reading lights.

... ... ...

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 6 00:59:27 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Jan 6 00:57:18 2007.

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Do we really need to revive that topic? Lets just stick to the original topic of an Orion 07 on the QM18

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by petabread2 on Sat Jan 6 01:00:32 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 00:53:48 2007.

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They didn't have anything else available except the Orion 7, it's simple as that. Either you send the Orion 7 or nothing. I think they chose wisely.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by mr_brian on Sat Jan 6 01:06:04 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by PATHman on Sat Jan 6 00:59:27 2007.

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People shouldn't be deprived of their express bus, even if it ends up being an Orion VII. The MTA is providing a service to their customers; they're not in the business to make you happy.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by petabread2 on Sat Jan 6 01:08:44 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by mr_brian on Sat Jan 6 01:06:04 2007.

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Honestly, passengers are passengers, if they didn't like the O7 than they really didn't think of the fact that there was no other bus available. In a way the MTA made the customers happy by providing a bus to get them home rather than leaving them there but the passenger wouldn't realize it.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 01:09:33 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by petabread2 on Sat Jan 6 01:00:32 2007.

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However, the reverse can't be done, which is why the MTA should have ONLY RTSs, Orions, and New Flyers.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jan 6 01:22:50 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by mr_brian on Sat Jan 6 00:45:18 2007.

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I agree. Better something than nothing.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sat Jan 6 01:33:24 2007, in response to 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jan 5 13:58:23 2007.

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Whatever happened to 5894-5897?
A few weeks ago, I did spot 5944 on the QM15. At the time it was spotted, I did not have my camera handy.
A few months ago, 4227 was used on the QM15. Again, no camera.
Seems like an awkward bus is used on the Express Routes at JFK/Far Rock from time to time.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 6 10:05:21 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Fri Jan 5 18:28:23 2007.

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I miss the Classics now. I think I've only been on them a total of 4 or 5 times in my life but I liked the seats (even though IIRC they didn't recline?), the overhead compartment which I think I hit my head on once and the "NEXT STOP" light as opposed to "Stop Request." I don't remember if the reading lights were working on the ones I rode but I think I prefer a Classic over a Cruiser.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 6 10:09:21 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 00:41:36 2007.

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I know that from College Point, 3197 was the 12:00N QM1A out of Lake Success every day for a while (not sure if it still is) and another poster here has reported riding the same exact bus on the same exact run and time day after day for certain periods on the QM3. So maybe College Point does this, but I don't know about the others.

I know that for a time I never saw 3213 on anything but the BM4, and I rode that bus from Church/E 7 St to Ave P/Nostrand two days in a row, same run, same driver.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 10:12:33 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 6 10:09:21 2007.

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That may be a driver who has enough pull to ask for a particular bus every day, if it is available for service.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 6 10:15:58 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 5 19:37:27 2007.

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If it's only once in a blue moon like I hope this time it is, I'd be fine with it, but not on a regular basis.

On a side note, I notice that often on express buses the driver distinctly waits until all fares are paid before closing the doors, probably b/c of the slightly larger amount of money in limbo.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 6 10:22:36 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by petabread2 on Sat Jan 6 01:08:44 2007.

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Also it is more fuel efficient!

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by Deaks on Sat Jan 6 11:06:21 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 5 19:37:27 2007.

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What would you do - wait for the next one then?

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 6 12:19:15 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Deaks on Sat Jan 6 11:06:21 2007.

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Nah, he'd walk. LOL

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 12:33:38 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 5 19:37:27 2007.

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Apparently, you'll wait for the next bus. However, what if this is the last scheduled bus of the service day? (Assume the bus has room to step on.)

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 6 12:43:02 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by petabread2 on Sat Jan 6 01:08:44 2007.

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IMO, by 2014, the ENTIRE fleet should be hybrid buses, for ALL services (and no special seats for express services if they still exist).

Preferably, it would be one model at all depots...the O7 diesel electric. (The O7 CNGs would be put up for sale.)

What would be done if it were up to me, ideally, would be 35' and 40' O7 HEVs (35' for Nassau County and Staten Island). This would be similar to how it appears SEPTA might be moving in the future, for only one manufacturer: New Flyer (hopefully D(E)35LFs, (D)(E)40LFs, and D(E)60LFs.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Jan 6 13:02:55 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 5 19:37:27 2007.

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I've seen a Yukon Nova RTS on the X17 before but it still had a full load of people on it.

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Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!)

Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Jan 6 13:02:55 2007, in response to Re: 3557 on the QM18 (!), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 5 19:37:27 2007.

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I've seen a Yukon Nova RTS on the X17 before but it still had a full load of people on it.

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