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Re: making the QM22 cost neutral |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 10 13:28:37 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by LAG Driver on Thu Nov 10 05:57:56 2011. I feel you... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 10 13:43:50 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by Nyctransitman on Thu Nov 10 13:25:16 2011. I wouldn't cut it back to Astoria/21st like it seems you were implying, but rather Astoria/31st via Hazen & Astoria Blvd. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Nov 10 14:16:09 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Nov 10 03:11:28 2011. He's bitter because he gets paid the same $30 an hour to drive a bus that stops every two blocks as he did to drive one that stopped every 10. |
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Re: making the Q100 shorter |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Thu Nov 10 14:47:38 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 10 13:43:50 2011. So you would eliminate all service on 20th Avenue and the current stop at 20th Avenue/31st Street & 21st Street/21st Avenue? I see a market along 20th Avenue since it's two large distance avenue blocks away from Ditmars Blvd. The local City Councilperson and the community fought hard to get a stop added at 21st Avenue/21st Street. I like to see about four more limited stops along 20th Avenue to the Q100 route. Your Astoria Blvd. routing would provide unecessary duplicative routing of the Q19 route. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 10 14:48:59 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 10 13:43:50 2011. I wouldnt cut it at all...The 100 serves its purpose..for the worker on "the island" to the released inmate..to the visitors..and the short hoppers that use it to reach the Queens Plaza area from 21st street.. It also pulls those riders OFF the "regular route" who would otherwise have been on the old 101 bus. Like I said..it serves its purpose regardless if no one likes it. Also..its a JOB..for those that pick it. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Nov 10 15:03:53 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 9 22:29:46 2011. While I am not advocating for any particular fare structure or policy, I will agree that fare policy ought to be better integrate in this region, at least if the politics and financing will allow. There seems to be no policy basis for not having the same fares and full interchange between commuter rail and express bus, be it within New York (e.g., Bayside to Manhattan via LIRR or QM2) or be in within New Jersey (e.g., Newark to Manhattan via NJT NEC or NJT 108). Likewise for transferring between routes . . . why should the QM2 passenger be allowed to transfer freely to the subway if the QM2 does not go directly to a final destination, but the same privilege is not granted to the LIRR passenger?Think first about transportation as an entire journey from origin to destination, and not as a series of connections between particular modes and routes operated by distinct entities. Then consider the proper allocation of fare receipts to those entities. (On top of all this, there needs to be a fair system in which private companies can either operate completely independently of such an integrated system, or can be permitted equitable entry into the system, the choice being that of the private companies.) |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Nov 10 15:35:14 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by LAG Driver on Thu Nov 10 05:58:59 2011. It's called critical mass. The buses would either be full or making more than two one way trips a day. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 10 17:02:54 2011, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Nyctransitman on Thu Nov 10 14:47:38 2011. No, I'd replace it with a rerouted Q102 along 20th Avenue. If anything the Q19 duplicates the M60, I don't usually see too many people on it west of 82nd Street, maybe an extension to Astoria Projects could fix that. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 10 17:07:55 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 10 14:48:59 2011. I wouldnt cut it at all...The 100 serves its purpose..for the worker on "the island" to the released inmate..to the visitors.. It would still serve that purpose if it were to be cut back to Astoria Blvd N train. and the short hoppers that use it to reach the Queens Plaza area from 21st street.. The Q66, Q69, and Q102 would all still allow that. It also pulls those riders OFF the "regular route" who would otherwise have been on the old 101 bus. They'll still have their own route to Astoria Blvd, except this route would be even more "exclusive" since it would probably appeal to few Steinway residents. Like I said..it serves its purpose regardless if no one likes it. No one likes it except for a few 21st Street riders and the van drivers from the Bronx that profit off of its incompetence. |
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Re: making the Q100 shorter |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Thu Nov 10 17:52:36 2011, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 10 17:02:54 2011. How would you exactly reroute the Q102 and from what point? Where would it terminate etc.? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 10 17:54:09 2011, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Nyctransitman on Thu Nov 10 17:52:36 2011. From 30th Avenue/31st Street to Hazen Street:31st Street, 20th Avenue, Hazen Street to Terminal. An alternative can go like this: 31st Street, Ditmars, 21st Street, 20th Avenue, Hazen Street to Terminal. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Thu Nov 10 19:10:12 2011, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 10 17:54:09 2011. Sounds good to me. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Nov 10 19:16:17 2011, in response to making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by LAG Driver on Wed Nov 9 05:40:44 2011. Disregard about the "9 extra RTSs" at LGA. It was all a hoax. |
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Posted by B1bus on Thu Nov 10 20:06:17 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by LAG Driver on Wed Nov 9 11:08:22 2011. Why couldn't they use X37/38 buses as X90's after ending at 57st? |
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Re: making the Q100 shorter |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 10 22:58:15 2011, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Nyctransitman on Thu Nov 10 19:10:12 2011. no..Its fine the way it is. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Nov 11 13:46:47 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by B1bus on Thu Nov 10 20:06:17 2011. They used X29 buses (which makes me question if costs were really that high) |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Nov 11 13:48:46 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Nov 11 13:46:47 2011. The X29 was interlined with the X25, not the X90, which was interlined with the M30 IINM. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Nov 11 13:53:56 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Nov 11 13:48:46 2011. Well in that case, I don't see why the X25 cost so much. $42 per person is a lot considering the X29 buses were going back to Brooklyn anyway. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Nov 11 14:02:25 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by LAG Driver on Wed Nov 9 14:45:04 2011. Maybe the MTA could have one pick list for MTA Bus, NYCTA and MaBSTOA. Then you could pick any job anywhere. I doubt if the various unions would go for it though. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Nov 11 14:22:04 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Nov 11 13:53:56 2011. They didn't cost anywhere near that number. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Nov 11 17:24:04 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by JAzumah on Fri Nov 11 14:22:04 2011. According to the MTA they did.Here's a Google Spreadsheet (taken from this website: http://capntransit.blogspot.com/2010/02/habits-of-highly-efficient-bus-routes.html) copied directly from the MTA's numbers (since they took them down after a year. I still have the paper copy, though) Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aha-LfXMlWNBdGplTGJUVm9oZ25DT3JLRWRjbzZkT2c#gid=1 |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri Nov 11 20:43:48 2011, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Nov 11 17:24:04 2011. It depends on your accounting system. Under an average cost system, it may well be what the MTA claims it to be. But when making decisions as what should be cut back, it is necessary to look at an avoidable cost accounting system. That is, how much longer does it take to run from midtown via X25 to lower Manhattan, then deadhead to the garage in Brooklyn, over the time it takes to deadhead from midtown all the way to the garage? Multiply by cost per vehicle hour. For revenue, count passengers and multiply by the difference between the express fare and the subway fare. Then net cost against revenue. |
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Re: making the Q100 shorter |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 15:34:39 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 10 22:58:15 2011. Forgive me and do not call the BusChat cops on me for responding to a five month old thread, but I saw this thread and felt the need to reply and mention that the MTA likely sees the Q100 as a safe route. Basically, as long as you have crime in NYC, there will always be substantial demand for the Q100; barring any substantial policy changes by the Correction Department (i.e. closing Riker's Island and moving the inmates elsewhere, moving the parking lot for visitors on to Riker's Island itself etc.). Also with concern to the added stops in Astoria, a lot of the growth in Astoria is fueled by development along 21st Street and in the vicinity of 21st Street and most of the people moving to that area are from other parts of the country, outside of the country, or from other parts of our area and thus have not had and probably will not be subjected to the negative experiences that Q101 riders had in the 1970s and 1980s with Riker's Island bound riders (also because NYC is a lot better in the 2010s than in the 1970s and 1980s). The added stops serve to fuel growth of the route and also help to keep the route afloat outside of visiting hours, where there is the highest amount of ridership. However, the Q100 is siphoning ridership off of the Q69 due to the Q100 being faster than the Q69 and the space between the Q100 stops is close to ideal for a Limited Stop bus; on another note, ask the politicians to add more stops to the Q100 without significant to overwhelming support (lots of petition signatures and lots of pressure) for it and that would be detrimental to their view of you (they might see you as a nut, because the politicians know the history of the bus no matter how old they are or how long they have been in politics and still see the Riker's Island passengers as a potential evil in the community as they were in the 1970s and 1980s despite a lot of residents in Astoria not knowing the history of the Q100 bus and actually find it more convenient and reliable than the Q69, but only to an extent). |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 21 17:11:31 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 15:34:39 2012. The only improvement needed to this route is a Manhattan extension to Lexington avenue. |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 17:20:01 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 21 17:11:31 2012. The Q100 (when it was the Q101R) used to run to 59th Street in Manhattan just like the Q101 but was cut due to financial constraints on the part of Robert Burke after absorbing back the QM1A Wall Street and QM3 from Caravan in the early 1990s. |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 17:21:55 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 17:20:01 2012. picture of Q101R running to 59th Street in Manhattanhttp://gallery.bustalk.info/displayimage.php?pid=6746&fullsize=1 |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Apr 21 17:35:48 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 15:34:39 2012. Why do some people here feel it is bad to necro-post while on Railroad.net you will get moderated if you start a new thread instead of searching for the five-year-old thread that is sort-of vaguely related to the same topic? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 21 17:42:40 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 17:20:01 2012. Well..that was a mistake..just like ending the LGA EXPRESS from 21st subway station. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Apr 21 19:24:41 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 17:20:01 2012. Which routes DID Caravan Transit run in the past? And did they have a separate garage apart from the one that was at 144 Pilling Street? |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 20:48:46 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Apr 21 19:24:41 2012. Caravan ran the QM1/QM1A Wall Street and the QM3 Douglaston under different route designations QM25, QM26, QM27, and the QM28. I think they operated the lines out of the garage on 144 Piling Street, but I cannot say for sure. |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 20:54:30 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 20:48:46 2012. QM25 Fresh Meadows - Wall StreetQM26 Glen Oaks - Wall Street QM27 North Shore Towers - Wall Street QM28 Douglaston - Midtown via 6th Avenue |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 21:18:00 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 21 17:42:40 2012. Politicians in Astoria are not going to fight too hard for improved bus service; they tell their constituents to deal with it (from bus service, to quality of life, overdevelopment, bad schools etc.; just read the Queens Crap blog). Speaking of schools people who cause trouble in other Queens schools are often transferred to I.S. 126 (on 21st Street) or Long Island City High School. In other words bad students are dumped on Astoria schools. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 21 23:33:14 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Apr 21 21:18:00 2012. My younger sister went to that school.. |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sun Apr 22 15:34:57 2012, in response to Re: making the Q100 shorter, posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 21 23:33:14 2012. Here is an account posted on one of the local blogs in Astoria"I'm not sure why the city thinks it's okay to send junior high school aged kids from over an hour away by public transportation to a school in Astoria to serve out their suspensions. I had a kid who lived in Far Rockaway get sent to 126. Far Rock! That's insane! So he never went, then ended up getting locked up by the judge for not going to school regularly." |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Wed Jun 13 13:37:05 2012, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by BusMgr on Fri Nov 11 20:43:48 2011. Sorry for bringing back an old topic but from what I have heard in the latter days of the X25 and X29 runs would do a trip on the X29 then do a trip on the X25 and then park at Quill and on some runs the reverse for the PM rush. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Jun 13 16:10:38 2012, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Wed Jun 13 13:37:05 2012. Correct |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sat Apr 19 07:40:43 2025, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by BusMgr on Wed Nov 9 14:36:44 2011. Eventually the UES residents complained to get the Q101R taken out of Manhattan entirely. I wonder why MaBSTOA couldn’t be convinced to run a service from Lexington Avenue and 125th Street via the Triborough Bridge nonstop to Rikers? |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Apr 27 11:08:25 2025, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by Allen45 on Sat Apr 19 07:40:43 2025. What buses serve Rikers now? I remember the complaints from UES residents and business owners about the Q101R. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Apr 28 09:48:32 2025, in response to Re: making the QM22 cost neutral, posted by Dan on Sun Apr 27 11:08:25 2025. What buses serve Rikers now? Rikers Island is currently served by the Q-100 Limited. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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