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Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 1 18:43:20 2009 Does Anyone remember the EXACT Routing of the B88, Bx56 and M41?Thanks in Advance! -Trevor |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Thu Oct 1 19:48:12 2009, in response to Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 1 18:43:20 2009. Does this provide some help?http://images.nycsubway.org/maps/bus-1974cult1.jpg |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 1 20:22:26 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by 33rd Street on Thu Oct 1 19:48:12 2009. Thank You, just gotta find the Bx56 routing.-Trevor |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Thu Oct 1 21:14:54 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 1 20:22:26 2009. I know the Bx56 did start (or pass by) Grand Concourse and 161st St by the Courthouse. I know it's not helpful but maybe someone can remember and contribute. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Oct 1 22:13:37 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by The TransitMan on Thu Oct 1 21:14:54 2009. OK, here we go.Stop 1:161st And the G.C. Court House, Museum of the Arts #2: So.Blvd/ 185th St Bronx Zoo #3: Fordham/ So. Blvd NY Bot.Gdns/ Bx Park #4: 3rd Ave Fordham Rd: Fordham U #5: Van Cortlandt/ Rochambeau: Valentine Varian house, Museum Bx Hist. #6: 243st/ Bway: Van Cortland house museum, Van Cort.Pk & Pool #7: 239th Riverdale Ave: Memorial BellTower #8: 246th St/Riverdale Av: ChrisytChurch Riverdale #9: Kinsbridge Rd WebbAve: VA Hospital #10: 194th/Valentine Ave: Poe Pk & Cottage #11: Fordham Rd./ Creston Av: Shopping District #12: University Av Hall of Fame Terrace: Hall of Fame; Bx Community Coll. #13: Fort Tyron The cloisters #14: Ft Washington Av/ 179St: GWB & Bus Station #15: W155Th St/ Amsterdam Av: Audobon Terr Complex; Hisp Soc'y of America; Trinity Parish; Saturday/Sunday and Holidays every 30 minutes, 10 am to 6pm Get on and off all you want; $1.00 fare, coins or tokens This from the map and brochure of 7/74. That's all folks! JRC |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Oct 1 23:58:37 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Oct 1 22:13:37 2009. That's actually not a bad sightseeing route. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by rionOne on Fri Oct 2 01:26:31 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Oct 1 22:13:37 2009. I appreciate you man!Thanks, Be Blessed -Trevor |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Oct 2 01:52:48 2009, in response to Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 1 18:43:20 2009. My farther Drove the M41 when I was a Baby. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Oct 2 06:32:40 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by 33rd Street on Thu Oct 1 19:48:12 2009. You're welcome! |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Oct 2 07:43:45 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Oct 1 22:13:37 2009. Wow, just like buttermilk, you are very cultured! :-) |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Fri Oct 2 09:10:30 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by 33rd Street on Thu Oct 1 19:48:12 2009. I wonder if FTA regulations regarding charters would prevent the TA from running such loops. I would think that another factor would be the numerous tour companies already doing business in Midtown.The other thing about that flyer that caught my attention was the "Shoppers Bus Ticket" for Midtown Manhattan. If the MTA ever gets its act together (a very big leap of faith) would they ever consider such a similar promotion for the Christmas holiday season and are there other areas of the city where it might work (ie. Downtown Brooklyn). |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Oct 2 10:05:12 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by ctrabs74 on Fri Oct 2 09:10:30 2009. I wonder if FTA regulations regarding charters would prevent the TA from running such loops.It's a regularly scheduled route, so no. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Fri Oct 2 10:29:02 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Oct 1 22:13:37 2009. Thanks for the info on the Bx56.Is there any reason why the TA decided to run those routes in the first place? |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Fri Oct 2 10:30:13 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Oct 2 06:32:40 2009. No problem. I knew I forgot to give gredit for that scan.Anyways, thanks for scanning that piece of info in the first place. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Oct 2 10:53:35 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by 33rd Street on Fri Oct 2 10:30:13 2009. I scanned that a very long time ago; it was one of my first contributions to nycsubway. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Oct 2 11:40:04 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by ctrabs74 on Fri Oct 2 09:10:30 2009. I agree. I wonder if these loops would work today. The only problem is with all the weekend detours, the NYC marathon, parades, streetfairs it would through the schedule and routing off so bad that probably all the buses on the line will end up running with each other.I remember as a kid seeing the B88 downtown where I grew up in the Lower East Side. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Fri Oct 2 12:16:22 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Oct 2 11:40:04 2009. It probably would not work because you have the Gray Line Sightseeing Tours handling that. Or would that even be a problem. |
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Photos of the B88 and Bx56 |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Oct 2 12:45:38 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by The TransitMan on Fri Oct 2 12:16:22 2009. B88 Broadway & Chambers  Court & Remsen  7 Av & 34 St, Midtown  Broadway & Battery Pl  Prospect Park W & Bartel Pritchard Sq Bx56  Concourse & 161  Concourse & 161 |
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Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56 |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Fri Oct 2 13:35:13 2009, in response to Photos of the B88 and Bx56, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Oct 2 12:45:38 2009. Thank you for taking the time to dig out post these old pictures. I seem to think that there is also a pictture of a New Look with Bat-Wings but my old friend Al Zeimers may be playing tricks on me.Amazing to see how many fallen flags are pictured here. 1- Chemical Bank on Broadway - now JP Morgan Chase 2- Bank of Commerce- were they merged into something? (not to be confused with Commerce Bank, recently taken over by TD Bank) 3 - Central State Bank - Do they still exist 4 - Mays Department store. Note the two different signs in two pictures. 5 - Have no clue about the Sanders theather or the coffee shop next to it. 6 - Nice to see two pictures of the same bus taken at different times as indicated by the advertising signs. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Fri Oct 2 13:40:00 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Oct 2 01:52:48 2009. Hey did your father drive the bus farther than anyone else - (smile) |
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Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56 |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Oct 2 13:52:57 2009, in response to Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56, posted by Hart Bus on Fri Oct 2 13:35:13 2009. 5 - Have no clue about the Sanders theather or the coffee shop next to it.Google Street View shows that the buildings are still there, but both are under different names. The theater was showing Tyler Perry's "Why Did I Get Married?" at the time the GSV photo was taken, and the cafe next door is now called the Circles Café. |
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Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56 |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Oct 2 13:54:37 2009, in response to Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56, posted by Hart Bus on Fri Oct 2 13:35:13 2009. 5 - Have no clue about the Sanders theather or the coffee shop next to it.That was a dump, the theater is now restored as the Park Slope Pavilion. They have 5-6 screens and good business on Friday and Saturday nights. |
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Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56 |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Oct 2 14:20:29 2009, in response to Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56, posted by Hart Bus on Fri Oct 2 13:35:13 2009. I seem to think that there is also a pictture of a New Look with Bat-Wings but my old friend Al Zeimers may be playing tricks on me.20 photos of 8400s on the M41 - search for Busorama Culture Loop (sorry, no way to directly link to the results). |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Waynejay on Fri Oct 2 16:18:17 2009, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by The TransitMan on Fri Oct 2 12:16:22 2009. Gray Line (and others) did sightseeing tours in manhattan during those days. The problem of the TA trying it now is that there's no way they'd be able to compete using transit buses vs. the double-deckers. |
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Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56 |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Oct 2 19:22:17 2009, in response to Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56, posted by Hart Bus on Fri Oct 2 13:35:13 2009. And in the shot taken at West 34th Street in Manhattan, there is a Zum Zum restaurant in the backround. I never ate there (I was too young to make those decisions), although there was one at Kings Plaza when that mall first opened. |
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Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56 |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Oct 2 19:31:43 2009, in response to Photos of the B88 and Bx56, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Oct 2 12:45:38 2009. Love those pics !Bill Newkirk |
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Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56 |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Oct 2 19:49:36 2009, in response to Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Oct 2 14:20:29 2009. Here's one of them.
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Oct 2 19:49:50 2009, in response to Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 1 18:43:20 2009. If this is Trevor Logan e-mail me. I have the map/brochrues for all three culture buses.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56 |
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Posted by NJT Oradell on Sat Oct 3 10:56:59 2009, in response to Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Oct 2 19:31:43 2009. Great pics! Thanks! The more, the merrier, the older, the better! |
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Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56 |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Sun Oct 4 12:54:03 2009, in response to Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Oct 2 13:54:37 2009. The photo indicated that the place was a dump at the time it was taken. |
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Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56 |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Sun Oct 4 12:55:36 2009, in response to Re: Photos of the B88 and Bx56, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Oct 2 19:22:17 2009. That chain has also joined the list of fallen flags. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Oct 4 16:58:47 2009, in response to Photos of the B88 and Bx56, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Oct 2 12:45:38 2009. Fantastic photos, I love to see photos of trains and buses before I was born, what an amazing and diverse system it was, thank you |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sun Apr 20 09:53:33 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by 33rd Street on Fri Oct 2 10:29:02 2009. To use express buses on weekends to generate revenue. The culture loop buses used soft seat buses which ran on the express buses weekdays. Since they didn’t want to run weekend express buses at the time, they used them on culture loops. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Snilcher on Sun Apr 20 10:16:08 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by Allen45 on Sun Apr 20 09:53:33 2025. Seeing a reply to an old thread from 2009 made me look up the rest of the thread. Unfortunately the site with the photos referenced in the thread no longer exists. Worse, the Wayback Machine seems to have never archived that site either.One photo I was looking for in particular redirects to this URL: https://images.cf_nycsubway.org/images/maps/bus-1974cult1.jpg which returns "Server not found." nycsubway.org still has images, but only from the past 3 years, apparently. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sun Apr 20 12:26:29 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by Snilcher on Sun Apr 20 10:16:08 2025. Yes I do necropost because I research comments on this forum for historical background not found elsewhere. If I have something to add to it, I add to it hoping someone else would find it useful some time in the future. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Apr 20 17:26:42 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by Allen45 on Sun Apr 20 09:53:33 2025. n addition to the limited buses mentioned in a previous post there was a time in the 1970's when we had "Culture Buses."The starting dates for these were; M-41 Culture Bus I on September 1, 1973 B-88 Culture Bus II on September 20, 1973. Bx-56 Culture Bus III on 9/28/74. This route was discontinued on December 1, 1974 due to lack of ridership. We didn't have a lot of culture in The Bronx in those days and if you planned to travel through the South Bronx you needed a flack jacket and an M-16 (the rifle, not the bus route). All the Culture Buses were TA (as opposed to OA) operated using express bus equipment. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sun Apr 20 20:05:44 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Apr 20 17:26:42 2025. Pictures of the M41 in service seem to all have MaBSTOA labeling on the buses. I do wonder why M41 was chosen? Or B88 was chosen? M41 was the franchise route number for the M10. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 21 12:34:29 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by Allen45 on Sun Apr 20 20:05:44 2025. M41 was assigned out of the 100th Street (now Tuskegee Airmen) depot, thus it is thought of as a MaBSTOA route, whilst B88 used buses that were TA-labeled. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 21 12:34:29 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by Allen45 on Sun Apr 20 20:05:44 2025. M41 was assigned out of the 100th Street (now Tuskegee Airmen) depot, thus it is thought of as a MaBSTOA route, whilst B88 used buses that were TA-labeled. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Apr 21 13:40:56 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 21 12:34:29 2025. B88 came out of Gleason. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by B53RICH on Mon Apr 21 16:58:09 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Apr 20 17:26:42 2025. I thought I read one time that there were talks of having a Culture Loop route for Queens which never materialized, maybe budget issues. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 21 22:34:27 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by Snilcher on Sun Apr 20 10:16:08 2025. The site has plenty of photos more than 3 years old.This URL works: https://images.cf.nycsubway.org/images/maps/bus-1974cult1.jpg Or this: https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?/img/maps/bus-1974cult1.jpg |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by snilcher on Tue Apr 22 11:30:37 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 21 22:34:27 2025. This URL works: https://images.cf.nycsubway.org/images/maps/bus-1974cult1.jpg Or this: https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?/img/maps/bus-1974cult1.jpg Thanks. Much appreciated. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Apr 22 21:24:51 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by snilcher on Tue Apr 22 11:30:37 2025. You’re welcome. |
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Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Apr 27 11:02:43 2025, in response to Re: Culture Loop I (M41), II (B88) and III (Bx56) Questions, posted by Allen45 on Sun Apr 20 09:53:33 2025. I rode the Brooklyn B88 Culture Loop II only once in 1974. Plenty of 'culture' along that Bowery section. Sad beat up place at the time. |
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