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Posted by Joe on Sat May 29 13:02:25 2021 Page A12 of the NY Times today, May 29, 2021, has an article about the importance of bus routes in areas of our city not served by subways. It says all mayoral candidates want more bus lanes. It also states that signal priority for buses is given at 1,598 intersections.--- If this is true, how is it accomplished? Thanks. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 30 09:57:44 2021, in response to Signal priority in NYC, posted by Joe on Sat May 29 13:02:25 2021. They make it seem like signal priority is some sort of panacea. But you have many intersections where two bus routes cross. So how does signal priority handle that and how does it mess up other traffic because it disturbs the synchronized signals?Bus lanes are not the answer either. It hasn't helped on Woodhaven Boulevard. You don't need bus lanes when buses are operating at frequencies greater than every five minutes. The article omitted a lot. For example that six out if the seven democratic candidates support turning 25 percent of street space to non auto use by 2025, and that five of them support lowering the speed limit to 20 mph which means buses will also have to travel slower unless every street with a bus has a bus lane or becomes a busway. Some want BRT with protected bus lanes that are in effect 24 hours a day. That is only to punish drivers by eliminating as many parking spaces and driving lanes as possible. It isn't to help bus service because none of them talks about what is really needed to help bus service. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 30 11:54:09 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 30 09:57:44 2021. IAWTPWho is the holdout? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 30 14:50:22 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 30 11:54:09 2021. McGuire. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 30 14:56:13 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 30 14:50:22 2021. The only reason to lower the speed limit to 20 mph is so the camera can ticket you for going 31 mph when 35 used to be the speed limit on many arterial streets before DeBlasio.You can count on your fingers the number of streets where 30 is still allowed. And when DeBlasio announced Vision Zero he promised arterials would not be affected by the 25 mph speed limit. He lied and went after those streets first even before Vision Zero was put into effect with "Slow speed zones", for example on Coney Island Avenue. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun May 30 14:57:14 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 30 14:56:13 2021. Who are the two candidates who don't want to lower the speed limit? (Presumably McGuire, and who is the other one?) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 30 22:46:26 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun May 30 14:57:14 2021. Actually it's three. Wiley, Donovan and McGuire. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 10:07:56 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 30 14:56:13 2021. They just lowered the speed limit on Woodhaven to 25.As the Sanderista/AOC Party takes further control of the city and state government it’ll only get worse. And the thing is that a lot of the people who are hurt by this are for hire drivers, most of whom are immigrants,* whom the Sanderistas claim to care about, but they really don’t. *I heard this, I may be wrong. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 1 11:13:33 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 10:07:56 2021. My wife takes a fair number of cabs because she has trouble with the subway, and she would agree that English is not the native language of most cab drivers.I don't understand why the more moderate politicians are supporting the more insane versions of traffic calming. It's a disaster for bus service. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 1 11:17:31 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 1 11:13:33 2021. How can traffic calming be done other than speed humps ?In Burlington, VT, I have seen signs on Shelburne Road saying traffic lights are timed for 35 MPH travel. IOW, speeding will get you nothing but to hurry up and wait. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 11:20:29 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 1 11:13:33 2021. Because they don’t know any better. The Streetsblog/Transportation Alternatives crowd are vocal about this, but there’s no group that’s vocal in the opposite direction. Politicians try to go which way they think the wind is blowing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 11:21:32 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 1 11:17:31 2021. Lane reductions, speed limit reductions, stop signs, unsynchronized traffic lights, speed cameras.Speed bumps kill more people than they save. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 1 12:40:16 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 11:20:29 2021. there’s no group that’s vocal in the opposite directionYeah, there ought to be bus rider, taxi rider, and auto commuter groups. They're actually each way bigger than the bike riders. Smaller than pedestrians but pedestrians also are heavily bus and taxi riders. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 14:29:17 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 1 12:40:16 2021. There is AAA. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 1 16:28:20 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 1 11:13:33 2021. It’s intersting that many cab and livery drivers do not have English as their native tongue. Back in the days of mass immigration in the 1920s and 1930s, most of the immigrants who took jobs dealing with the public such as streetcar, bus and rapid transit operators were Irish because as Mike Quill’s widow once put it they spoke English "in a way." |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 1 16:52:11 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 1 11:13:33 2021. I don't understand why the more moderate politicians are supporting the more insane versions of traffic calming.The number of pedestrian fatalities and injuries has increased, since the pandemic. It's due to increased automobile speed on the city streets. Politicians, even more moderate ones, profess an obligation to reduce such collisions at the expense of a few extra seconds per automobile trip. Automobile speed is the most important factor determining the severity of a pedestrian/automobile collision. It's possible to design an automobile that would reduce injury severity for given speeds. However, the automobile industry has successfully prevented such design changes from being mandated in the US. They have been mandated in Europe resulting in significantly lower pedestrian deaths and injuries. Some American makers, like Tesla, adhere to EU standards for their export sales. Similarly EU cars exported to the US (and North America) have the design changes removed. It's a disaster for bus service. Local buses are restricted to 20 mph or less by the MTA. Having other traffic go at that speed through traffic calming has a minor effect on bus speed. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 1 17:01:50 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 1 16:28:20 2021. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 17:35:17 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 1 16:28:20 2021. Mass immigration ended in 1924 after the passage of the Jew Exclusion Act. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 1 19:02:10 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 14:29:17 2021. Right. They're totally auto-owner oriented and I've rarely see them carry on about NYC. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 1 19:04:44 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 1 16:52:11 2021. Malling Broadway killed a perfectly good and useful bus route.Destroying lanes slows down buses as well as private cars. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 1 20:54:46 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 1 19:04:44 2021. Malling Broadway killed a perfectly good and useful bus route.Making the avenues one-way killed half the bus routes. That happened long before the Mall. As for Broadway, it was only good and useful going downtown. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 2 01:44:59 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 1 16:52:11 2021. That 20 mph speed restriction only applies to buses with snow chains. They are governed at 40 mph (45 mph on particular routes). |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jun 2 07:31:19 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 2 01:44:59 2021. That 20 mph speed restriction...I was talking about restrictions placed on drivers, when there are passengers. They are governed at 40 mph (45 mph on particular routes). The 25 mph NYC speed limit applies to buses. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 10:48:25 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 1 20:54:46 2021. Maybe it killed half the number of bus routes, but the numbers of buses remained the same. What it did was greatly increase the speed of buses as well as cars shortening trip times for all. It was a tremendous improvement and great idea because it enabled traffic light synchronization which was like putting a highway on every avenue. Funny that we never heard anything about increased traffic fatalities in the 1960s because of that. It wasn’t until we started encouraging cycling that traffic fatalities became a big deal. Just the other day a pedestrian was struck and killed by an ebike in Astoria.All the emphasis back then was traffic fatalities on holiday weekends. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 10:49:48 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 10:07:56 2021. In October it will be lowered again to 20 mph. What will happen by 2025? 15 mph? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 10:51:21 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 11:21:32 2021. Traffic calming is a euphemism for increasing congestion and air pollution, then blaming drivers for it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 10:52:40 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 11:20:29 2021. The AAA used to serve that function. I wonder why they are silent. Have they been bought off? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 10:53:13 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 14:29:17 2021. A d they are totally silent. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 2 10:56:46 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 10:48:25 2021. Cycling benefits the rich. The true egalitarian mode is the bus. And of course these bike lanes take away lanes from buses. This is the result of the left being captured by the woke instead of its traditional base of the working class.We should call them gentrification lanes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 10:57:12 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 1 12:40:16 2021. There’s Riders Aliance which is the same people as Transportation Alternatives and Streetsblog, all cycling advocates and anti-car who don’t care about mass transit, but only pretend to. When I opposed SBS on Streetsblog with facts showing it as a failure which it is in most cases, Ben Fried (who is now with Riders Alliance, banned me for life for disagreeing with them. They don’t want a dialogue, but only their views presented. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 10:58:30 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 17:35:17 2021. Until Biden started letting everyone in from the southern border. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 10:58:31 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 17:35:17 2021. Until Biden started letting everyone in from the southern border. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 2 11:05:02 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 1 11:21:32 2021. All that makes people agitated, run red lights, and causes more road rage. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 2 11:07:12 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 10:58:30 2021. The Immigration Act of 1924 did not restrict immigration from Latin America. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 2 11:07:27 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 2 11:05:02 2021. IAWTP |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 15:53:52 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 2 11:05:02 2021. Also more fatalities. Speed limit reductions haven't worked to improve safety. They have done the opposite. So why is the answer even slower speeds? It makes no sense. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 15:56:27 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 2 11:07:12 2021. Never meant to imply it did. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 15:58:02 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jun 2 07:31:19 2021. And so would a 20 mph speed limit. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 2 16:22:07 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 15:53:52 2021. If the speed limit were 10, people will still play chicken with approaching cars. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 2 17:05:53 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 30 09:57:44 2021. You don't need bus lanes when buses are operating at frequencies greater than every five minutes.Not counting the QMs and BM5, the combined frequency of buses at the height of the AM rush northbound on Woodhaven is about every 3 minutes. Are the bus lanes ok at least that time? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 2 17:10:55 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 1 20:54:46 2021. In some places (well. . .Glenwood Road in Canarsie now I guess) they do a reverse bus lane - only buses can go in the opposite direction of an otherwise one-way street. That, next to or in place of bike lanes, may be something. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 2 17:30:15 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 2 17:10:55 2021. I always thought this was a good idea for bus lanes as it’s much harder to violate them. Not as many people would drive in the wrong direction as they would violate a bus lane. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 2 17:36:38 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 2 17:30:15 2021. Yeah, but if the lights are timed for the automobile travel in the opposite direction, the benefits would likely be negated. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 2 18:23:06 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 2 17:05:53 2021. Hold on. . .better frequencies or longer headways than 5 minutes? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 2 20:13:44 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 2 16:22:07 2021. Exactly. And the motorist will still be the bad guy according to deBozo. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 21:46:25 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 2 16:22:07 2021. Some pedestrians are plain careless and don’t look. Others are just nervy. One pedestrian just stopped in the middle of the crosswalk, and looked at me in the car more or less saying I should wait for him to finish his text before I move my car. Then a few weeks ago I had to stop at a green light to let 12 bicycles go through the intersection on a red light. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 21:49:01 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 2 17:05:53 2021. For buses every three minutes, lanes would be justified, but these politicians want all bus lanes be in effect 24 hours every day even when headway’s are every 30 or 60 minutes. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 2 23:42:42 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jun 2 07:31:19 2021. So you're telling me that buses are going 20 mph on the Verrazzano, Whitestone, and RFK Bridges just because there's passengers? You're telling me the S78 was going 20 mph along the southern part of Hylan Blvd back when the speed limit was 40 mph?Yeah, buses have to obey the speed limit, and the lower speed limit means the buses need to drive slower. Yeah, on narrow commercial streets with frequent stops, yeah, the B/Os are probably not getting over 20 mph, but on wider streets with less frequent stops, they're pretty much going whatever the speed limit is (Whether it's 25 mph or more). |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 2 23:47:58 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 21:49:01 2021. To be fair, during time periods where the buses run every 30-60 minutes, there's usually no traffic on the road, so you're not losing much. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 3 00:08:30 2021, in response to Re: Signal priority in NYC, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 2 21:46:25 2021. People who cross Queens Blvd midblock or against the light should be removed from the gene pool. To that end, higher speed limits help. |
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