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B99 Overnight Line

Posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jun 26 10:44:56 2020

From user Flatbush SBS Duece in the NYCTForums:

New Over Night route out of Flatbush Depot starting Sunday June 28, 2020.

B99 will start from Nostrand Have/Flatbush ”Junction” to Manhattan W 58th Street. This route is mainly due to the train service being out of service during the COvID CLEANING over night especially the number 2 train. The bus will run like a local B44 route and turn off to Eastern pkwy heading towards Flatbush ave and straight to Manhattan Bridge.

Right now operators out of Flatbush are currently doing line training. Management are considering this route to remain until further notice for a possibility for operators to pick as a new work in the future.


https://rideschedules.com/mta-b99-bus-schedule-15150.html

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Jun 26 11:19:47 2020, in response to B99 Overnight Line, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jun 26 10:44:56 2020.

Wow, interesting.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Jun 26 15:12:37 2020, in response to B99 Overnight Line, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jun 26 10:44:56 2020.

A nighttime only bus line in NYC! Has there ever been one before? I mean a whole new line, not a tiny offshoot from an existing one.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 16:17:37 2020, in response to B99 Overnight Line, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jun 26 10:44:56 2020.

They should do something similar with bus routes going into Bay Ridge like a combination B-37/63 but on 4th Ave.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jun 26 18:56:25 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Jun 26 15:12:37 2020.

Exactly.


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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by B1bus on Fri Jun 26 22:36:12 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 16:17:37 2020.

I heard on the bus this PM that overnight X28 will be eliminated due to poor ridership.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Jun 26 23:48:20 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by B1bus on Fri Jun 26 22:36:12 2020.

Correct. Along with the BxM1/2, BxM11, BM3, QM6, and most of the X68 (service starts at 4am)

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by mike nash on Sat Jun 27 07:27:43 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Jun 26 23:48:20 2020.

how is the extra overnight local service doing?

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jun 27 08:54:27 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 16:17:37 2020.

There should be more B103-like routes in a hypothetical nightbus system with no subways, though perhaps more pick-up/drop-off points can be added if ridership is low enough and the bus isn't stopping much anyway (so not much need for zoned-expresses or highway running, which are somewhat characteristic of the B103).

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by Dan on Sat Jun 27 12:10:17 2020, in response to B99 Overnight Line, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jun 26 10:44:56 2020.

Why isn't the B99 on the MTA website yet?

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 27 18:49:02 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jun 27 08:54:27 2020.

Agreed, but maybe routes that are a little more direct than the B103. Instead of running straight up Flatbush Avenue, it takes a grand tour of Windsor Terrace to get Downtown?

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jun 27 21:50:05 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 27 18:49:02 2020.

It depends on what else is running. For example in said hypothetical system, let's say a bus comes up from Bay Ridge but then goes and runs through the Carey (Battery) tunnel to get to Manhattan. That leaves Park Slope, etc. vacant, to be filled in with maybe something like an extended B68 that originated in Coney Island, if not something as indirect as the B103 from Canarsie.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 28 00:30:34 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jun 27 21:50:05 2020.

According to the Remix map, the overnight BM2 serves Park Slope along Hamilton and Prospect Avenues, and also connects to the B61 and B63, which leaves Park Slope pretty well covered in the current network. If you want to get to the more transit dependent Brownsville or East New York areas however then good luck.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by Dan on Sun Jun 28 14:03:32 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Dan on Sat Jun 27 12:10:17 2020.

Found the link - https://new.mta.info/document/18036

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Jun 28 14:27:48 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Dan on Sun Jun 28 14:03:32 2020.

West 58th Street bet 8th and 9th Aves is one way eastbound. Wrong direction.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 28 15:19:25 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Dan on Sun Jun 28 14:03:32 2020.

Wow, it’s really happening. Looking forward to finding out what depot(s) will operate the route, and if it inspires similar-style routes around the city.

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Posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 28 15:42:42 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Dan on Sun Jun 28 14:03:32 2020.

Why couldn't they have this route run along 6 & 7 Avenues in Midtown rather than 8 & 9 Avenues.

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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 28 17:42:46 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 28 15:42:42 2020.

Where are the 24 hour bus routes relative to these avenues? That might be a clue. You want to run, I suppose, where the other routes aren’t. The M11 on 9th and 10th Avenues does not run all night.

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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 28 17:56:07 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 28 15:19:25 2020.

Flatbush is going to operate it using their articulated fleet.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 28 18:01:27 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Dan on Sun Jun 28 14:03:32 2020.

Only a 60 minute running time? Seems pretty tight. Also seeing some shades of the old B51 and B71. I wonder if it will do the same thing the B71 did on Eastern Parkway. The B71 used to operate down the median of the Parkway, but the bus stops themselves were confusingly placed on the service roads, which probably caused many people who weren't familiar with the route to miss their bus. A rider once told me that the stops were placed on the service road because you can't put a bus stop on a parkway, but I'm not sure how true that was.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 29 01:01:03 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 28 17:56:07 2020.

I stand corrected, I'm seeing Orion VIIs on it right now, weird because I saw them doing route training on the artics.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jun 29 08:51:12 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 29 01:01:03 2020.

With it being nearly impossible to predict demand, I'd wager they are readying artics as a backup.

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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 1 08:38:40 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 28 18:01:27 2020.

Can only do it with DOT permission which they haven't given in over 40 years which is why there is no B1 bus stop at Avenue Y. There are stops south on Ocean Parkway south of Avenue Z because they have been there for over 70 years.

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Posted by B1bus on Wed Jul 1 08:47:27 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 1 08:38:40 2020.

Because of the Belt Parkway, I imagine.

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Posted by Dan on Wed Jul 1 11:08:29 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 1 08:38:40 2020.

Ocean Parkway is unusual in that it is also a NY State Route. It is designated Reference Route 908H, but no 'NY908H' signs are posted on Ocean Parkway.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 14:07:48 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by B1bus on Wed Jul 1 08:47:27 2020.

No. The B21 operated on Ocean Parkway south of Avenue Z since before the Belt Parkway (which opened in 1939). The B1 between X and Z dates back to 1978.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 1 22:42:58 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 1 08:38:40 2020.

Thanks for the information. You'd figure that the MTA would have at least put up a sign directing riders to the main road at those stops, especially since the B71 struggled to attract decent ridership, but I suppose the status quo was good enough for the lazy and reactionary MTA management at the time.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by WayneJay on Fri Jul 3 15:14:28 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Jun 28 14:27:48 2020.

From the description... I think the routing is 8th Ave n/b, right turn onto W 58th e/b, right turn onto Broadway s/b, then right turn on W 57th w/b, left turn onto 9th Ave s/b...

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by WayneJay on Fri Jul 3 15:20:52 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 28 15:42:42 2020.

I think (the current routing) is a good plan as 6th and 7th Ave is already covered by the M7, and with the B99 on 8th and 9th Avs... That provides some north/south service further west in midtown.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 3 16:31:43 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Jun 26 15:12:37 2020.

First step in permanent elimination of overnight subways.

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Jul 3 18:45:44 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 3 16:31:43 2020.

It would be interesting, after having overnight extensions over the years, such as the R to Whitehall, the 3 to TImes Square, expresses-turned-local in Manhattan such as the 2 and the Q, and more, if ultimately it's decided to just shut the whole system down!

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Re: B99 Overnight Line

Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 20:17:18 2020, in response to Re: B99 Overnight Line, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 3 16:31:43 2020.

I somehow don't think that is going to happen. DeBozo is definitely a lame duck and will be replaced and Cuomo’s chances of being reelected are diminishing.

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