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Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 7 12:57:44 2020 Petition about bus stops |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 13:51:46 2020, in response to Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 7 12:57:44 2020. All well and good but at this time,the bus stop placement issue is overshadowed by the bus route re-organization. We can work out bus stop placements later.I am still trying to figure out how one goes about commuting between Ridgewood and LIC via the current Q39. There are lots of passengers, especially school kids, who need this. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Jan 7 13:55:48 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 13:51:46 2020. No, it is not overshadowed.The whole reason why the routes were designed this way is because the "service" performs differently with half the stops gone. On a normal stop model, most of the system would need more resources and the travel time assumptions break down. They would have to redesign about half of it just on bus stops alone. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 14:46:55 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by JAzumah on Tue Jan 7 13:55:48 2020. Therefore, leave the route structure the same and cut the stops! |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 7 14:47:30 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by JAzumah on Tue Jan 7 13:55:48 2020. I agree. And even so, the bus stop distances are not uniform even under the new plan. It is clear that there are "zones" where someone has determined stops are not needed for extra long distances (e.g. the QT35 on Flatbush Ave between Kings Hwy and Kings Plaza, and the Lakeville Road service between Hillside Ave and Union Tpke). |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 7 14:50:49 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 14:46:55 2020. There are things under the new plan that would be most welcome, though. Especially a Jamaica to LIJ Hospital via Hillside route, and a Little Neck to Central Queens (broadly defined) route. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 15:45:52 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 14:46:55 2020. No, the routes need changing. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 15:54:33 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 13:51:46 2020. The MTA is looking for any way to cut service to reduce their budget deficit. What they would like to do is to eliminate half the routes. But the elected officials would start an uproar, and it would never go through.So instead they will eliminate 50 percent of the bus stops, figuring no one will notice especially if they tell you it will mean better service, by calling it bus stop balancing not bus stop elimination.They claim it will increase bus speeds by 25 percent, which translates into a two minute time savings that is cancelled out by the extra walking. The only one who benefits is the MTA by lowering their operating costs. But they are shooting themselves in the foot, because they also will lose revenue. But they believe their demand is inelastic and their changes won't effect ridership. That isn't true. Service and the fare greatly affects ridership. After every fare increase, their revenue projections have been wrong, because all their calculations were based on ridership not being affected or minimally affected which is why their budget deficits are always higher than projected. You would think after 40 years, they would learn a thing or two. Sign the petition. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 7 16:01:02 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 15:54:33 2020. Time to place the NYCTS back under the jurisdiction of the State PSC the way it was in B of T and private company days. When the NYCTA was created in 1953, certain politicos felt that it would be an affront to the integrity of the NYCTA administration to have the agency report to another state agency so the NYCTS became exempt. This is not the case in some other states and I recall that the Boston MBTA still has to report the the Mass Public Utilities Commission. If the NYCTA had to get the approval of the NYSPSC to make changes, many of those changes would not be allowed. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue Jan 7 16:22:43 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 15:54:33 2020. None the changes proposed to MTABC will have any effect on reducing the MTA's budget deficit, since it is the City of New York that funds MTABC 100 percent. (Unless part of the plan is to transfer large deficit bus routes from the NYCTA to the MTABC.) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 17:05:57 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 15:45:52 2020. You don't make an unreliable route longer (B57).......you don't kill off a route with big ridership where a large chunk ride from the first neighborhood to the last (Q39 Ridgewood to LIC).....you dont have a limited stop & regular route run on the same path yet have the limited one run 24/7 and no local service overnight (QT3 and Q54 as well as the Q58 and the Corona by-pass route). |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 17:18:39 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 17:05:57 2020. I am not justifying the route changes they are proposing. I am just saying the existing system is inadequate. Route length only matters when it comes to reliability when you have no short services on the route and all buses make the entire trip. If a route is too long, you split it with overlappping segments to minimize the number of transfers needed. You shouldn't just break routes in half unles most everyone gets off any within a few stops of each other. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 17:22:48 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BusMgr on Tue Jan 7 16:22:43 2020. It all depends on the contract the MTA signed with the city, If it was a blanket agreement to cover whatever the deficit is regardless of bus miles, then you are correct. But I doubt the city would eve agree to a blank check. There must be some type of mileage limitation in the agreement. If not, what is preventing the MTA from doubling the service on all MTA Busco buses if it doesn't cost them anything? They haven't done that so there has to be a reason. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 7 18:23:16 2020, in response to Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 7 12:57:44 2020. I disagree. Frequent stops make bus travel so unbearable that people try to avoid it.As for increased walking, people don’t perceive that the same way. Although I will agree that “6,000 feet” is excessive unless there is literally nothing in that stretch. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 7 18:28:16 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 7 16:01:02 2020. well, back then transit was city psc was statenow transit is controlled by MTA which is controlled by the state just like the PSC zero sum gain? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Jan 7 19:16:57 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 17:22:48 2020. It is a blank check agreement.The subsidy went from $158M to almost $450M/year. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 19:42:39 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 17:18:39 2020. Yes I get that. But replacing something that is inadequate with something else that is inadequate is accomplishing nothing. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 19:45:08 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by JAzumah on Tue Jan 7 19:16:57 2020. So would the MTA ever cut service on MTA Bus? Why would they cut service in half from 10 minutes to 20 minutes on the Q22 when two years ago they promised to add service east of Beach 116 St? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 19:53:50 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 7 18:23:16 2020. If the stops are frequent and all the stops aren’t heavily used, then some stops could be eliminated. If they are all heavily used, then you need Limited Stop service. There is no way you can justify eliminating over half the bus stops in the borough. And 101 Avenue where the stop spacing is proposed at every 6,000 feet, previously had stops about every 750 feet or less. The only reason I can figure for such as a severe cut is that they are counting on the people protesting so they can return half the stops, claiming to have listened to the public, so the distance ends up at every 3,000 feet which is still excessive. That way they come off as listening and the elected officials who fought to have stops returned can claim victory. The MTA and the politicians both look good and the public suffers.Increasing the bus speed by 25 percent as claimed saves the average passenger only two minutes. It makes no sense. I don’t agree with you about perception. The only thing passengers care about is how long did my trip take? They don’t care how long they ride the bus. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 7 20:12:38 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 19:53:50 2020. Are you saying that the average bus passenger spends only 8 minutes riding a bus? I find that hard to believe. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 20:42:18 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 7 20:12:38 2020. Where did I say that? I said 16 minutes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 7 22:08:42 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 20:42:18 2020. 25% of 16 minutes is 4 minutes. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 7 23:20:48 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 7 18:23:16 2020. It also breeds unpredictability. Will there be one person at 3 consecutive stops, or 3 people at one stop with the other two skipped? The latter has the bus reaching the next time point earlier than expected.Eliminate every other stop, and now you always have those 3 people at the one stop, and can tighten up the schedule at time points for an overall more accurate trip. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 8 03:14:17 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 7 18:28:16 2020. The MTA could still be required to report to the PSC even if they are both state agencies. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 8 08:09:59 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 7 23:20:48 2020. I agree.I'd say the worst thing you want in the era of online trip planning is for people to say when a proposed itinerary comes up: "I'm not going that way (even though it says it's the fastest way) because that bus is so unreliable." I'm up for almost anything that would definitely increase reliability, so long as the route remains useful (it would still show up as a viable option on a significant number of online trip planners) and you can get on the first arriving vehicle (it's not overcrowded). |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 10:16:51 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 7 22:08:42 2020. Yes, but buses traveling 25 percent faster doesn’t save you 25 percent of the time.Buses traveling at 8.5 mph for 2.3 miles equals traveling at .141 miles per minute so traveling 2.3 miles takes 16.31206 minutes. Buses traveling at 10.5 miles equals traveling at .175 miles per minute so traveling 2.3 miles takes 13.14 minutes so you save three minutes, not four. If you walk only one more block to the bus stop, and you can do so in one minute, you only save two minutes provided you don’t miss a bus while walking which could add ten minutes to your trip. If you walk two extra blocks, you only save one minute. With buses stopping every other avenue block, your walk increases by 750 feet or three city blocks. So the three minutes saved is cancelled out by your three minutes extra walk and you have an even greater chance of missing the bus. So tell me who this benefits other than the MTA. and don’t forget all the people who have difficulty walking. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 10:31:35 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 10:16:51 2020. Uh oh, you used feet and minutes. Spider-Pig can't do units of measure fyi. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 10:34:02 2020, in response to Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 7 12:57:44 2020. Looking at this, I can see a good real estate scam as demand probably goes up if bus stops are that far apart. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 10:39:42 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 19:42:39 2020. Agreed. They screwed up the S.I. express buses and are taking over a year to fix it. The Bronx isn’t what it should have been. Queens will destroy the borough. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Jan 8 11:37:04 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 10:16:51 2020. So much wrong with this.Yes, but buses traveling 25 percent faster doesn’t save you 25 percent of the time. Buses traveling at 8.5 mph for 2.3 miles equals traveling at .141 miles per minute so traveling 2.3 miles takes 16.31206 minutes. Buses traveling at 10.5 miles equals traveling at .175 miles per minute so traveling 2.3 miles takes 13.14 minutes so you save three minutes, not four. This is a nit (because the difference is small), but the difference of 2 mph is not 25% of 8.5 mph. 2 mph would be 25% of 8 mph. Corrected calculations: 8 mph / 60 minutes in an hour = 0.133 miles per minute 2.3 / 0.133 = 17.25 minutes 10 mph / 60 minutes in an hour = 0.167 miles per minute 2.3 / 0.167 = 13.8 minutes You save 3.45 minutes, which is 20% of your original trip time. If you walk only one more block to the bus stop, and you can do so in one minute, you only save two minutes provided you don’t miss a bus while walking which could add ten minutes to your trip. If you walk two extra blocks, you only save one minute. With buses stopping every other avenue block, your walk increases by 750 feet or three city blocks. So the three minutes saved is cancelled out by your three minutes extra walk and you have an even greater chance of missing the bus. These categorical statements (especially the last one) assume that everyone who's affected lives or works exactly at an eliminated bus stop, resulting in the maximum additional walk. Many people don't live or work immediately adjacent to a bus stop, so their additional walk will be smaller. Additionally, anyone who's concerned about the marginal time losses you're presenting and isn't using BusTime or a similar tool to figure out when to head for the bus stop, eliminating excess waiting time, is an idiot. (I suspect many, perhaps most, people aren't concerned about these marginal losses.) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 11:38:51 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 10:16:51 2020. People prefer to take the faster bus and will ignore the added walk. For example, people walk to the limited stop instead of the closer local stop. Walking distance doesn’t count. Thanks to slow buses, many people have switched to Uber and Lyft, despite the added expense. Perhaps people who have difficulty walking should switch instead. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 8 11:41:02 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 11:38:51 2020. Perhaps people who have difficulty walking should switch instead.Money. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 11:51:02 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 8 11:41:02 2020. Why should they be subsidized with everyone else’s time? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 11:57:15 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 11:38:51 2020. Not everyone will take a faster bus and ignore the added walk. People walk to a Limited stop instead of the closer local stop not because they don't mind the walk or want a faster bus.They do it because the MTA decimated local schedules when adding Limited and SBS without the improving reliability. People know if they wait at the local stop, they could wait a half hour and miss two Limited buses, so they walk extra. People switched to Uber and Lyft because of poor reliability, too many transfers or fares, or because of their personal safety, moreso than because of slow buses which aren't even that slow. Queens has one of the highest bus speeds in the City. When I drive in Brooklyn, mostly on local streets because we have few highways, my car says my average speed is only 9 mph. If I use highways also, it goes up to 12. And what makes you an expert on passenger travel habits? For many bus passengers who have a subway option, they choose the buses because they can get a seat versus being jam packed in the train, even if it takes longer and because the walk is shorter and doesn't involve stairs.. They don't base their mode choice on time alone. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 12:14:52 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by fdtutf on Wed Jan 8 11:37:04 2020. Your arithmetic is incorrect. The MTA report states the current average bus speed in Queens is 8.5 mph not 8 mph so all your following calculations are irrelevant. Mine are correct.I never stated or implied that no one lives or works adjacent to a bus stop. I was only talking about averages. But it is true that if you eliminate half the stops, the number of hose living or working near a bus stop will be cut in half, unless only lightly utilized stops are removed which certainly is not the case. If a bus stops every other Avenue instead of at every avenue, everyone is impacted equally, except those who live near the remaining bus stops who aren't affected. If half the bus stops are removed, the percentage of riders not impacted at all is very small. Further, the accepted industry standard is a quarter mile walk to a local bus stop. Under the proposal, some will have to walk up to a mile to and/or from a bus stop. Who would be willing to do that? Virtually no one. There will be a mass exodus to Uber. Those who can't afford Uber will have to look for another job. This is also bad for the economy. And I didn't even mention that in bad weather, most prefer not to walk at all, certainly not a mile. The bus system will become inaccessible to many. And you are doing this just so the average passenger can save two minutes if eliminating bus stops doesn't affect him? Absolutely ridiculous. Get on board and sign the petition. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 8 13:20:56 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 11:51:02 2020. There is a middle ground between optimizing transit for the physically fittest and optimizing it for the physically least fit. I am just saying the financially insecure physically unfit should be given some consideration too, when bus stop spacing is decided on.One mile spacing might be the optimal for those riders who can run half a mile in 3 minutes, but you're not suggesting that. There is also the issue of disproportionate effect. If the stops are slightly too close together, almost everyone is slightly inconvenienced. But if they are too far apart, some people are completely excluded. Therefore maybe the partially disabled are allotted slightly more say per capita than the most physically fit. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Jan 8 13:31:40 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 19:45:08 2020. Yes, because the city wants to shift money to the ferries without it being too obvious. It is easier to restructure service to maintain coverage than have the MTA propose to discontinue 15% of MTA Bus routes because of a subsidy cut.The proposal dumps the QM3, QM18, and QM36 outright without a direct word to those passengers. The QM3 has been sabotaged for years to protect the LIRR. The QM36 covers its cash operating costs under MTA Bus, so they are dumping a service that costs them nothing to run but overhead! This is not the worst proposal in the world, but my concern is that pure efficiency tends to make customers very upset in the real world. This is how NICE would plan the bus network because their subsidy is always under pressure. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Jan 8 13:35:13 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 12:14:52 2020. You spelled commuter van wrong. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 13:39:34 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 11:57:15 2020. There are plenty of people who base their mode choice on time. The Streetsblog article mentioned it and the MTA’s own report mentioned it as something that people have been asking for. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 13:55:11 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 12:14:52 2020. He’s still right about 2 not being 25% of 8.5.If you eliminate every other bus stop, then, everyone is NOT impacted evenly. Assuming even population distribution, the number of people for whom there is any effect is only 50%. And the effect is not the same, since some will now have to walk longer than others. So the average increased walk time is not equal to the walk time from an eliminated stop to a continuing stop. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 8 14:58:31 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 13:39:34 2020. People aren't so stupid as to say they care about safety. That is deemed to label them as "racist". |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 8 16:25:25 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 8 13:39:34 2020. There are plenty of people who base their mode choice on time.And generally that's what Google Maps will do as well, if no added preferences ("less walking" for instance) are selected. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:03:13 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 13:51:46 2020. Either the QT80 to the QT60, 7 train, or M/R train, or take a bus up to the QT77. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:05:37 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 14:46:55 2020. Similar to Staten Island, the route structure in some areas is based off there not being any stops in between the major cross-streets, so some secondary streets don't see service (e.g. Drumgoole Road on Staten Island and Vernon Blvd in Queens) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:08:31 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 7 14:47:30 2020. The Q35 is currently a limited along Flatbush anyway, so that's not really changing (and they have the B41 for local service, as well as the B9 for certain customers). But yes I do agree they should add stops on that QT36 (I thought it was running down Langdale until I took a second look at the map. Maybe they're worried about NIMBYs and figure Lakeville Road has the n26 albeit infrequently) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:11:19 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 7 14:50:49 2020. I wonder if they have any arrangement with NICE as part of this plan. If the QT36 runs to LIJ and the QT34 runs to North Shore, then you really don't need the n26. So perhaps those trips can be shifted to routes like the n20G (where the last 2 stops won't have service to Flushing) or the n6 (which covers the part of Hempstead Avenue that will lose MTA service) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:13:01 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 17:05:57 2020. That route won't run to Red Hook, and we don't know what they have planned for the Brooklyn end as far as any corresponding local service. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:24:27 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 7 19:53:50 2020. Read the part about the colors. 101st Avenue is served by a blue route, the purpose of which is to move as quickly as possible. If you want more localized service, you would walk to a green route (along Liberty or Atlantic Avenues).Also, for the QT5, they seem to be basing that calculation off the assumption that service will run nonstop between Pitkin Avenue & Euclid Avenue, and Brookdale Hospital, which is very unlikely. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 8 18:28:20 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 7 23:20:48 2020. Also, if buses are slightly off-schedule, and one bus is running late, you are more likely to stop at those low-use stops (and the following bus less likely) making bunching more likely to occur. If there's fewer stops, you know that even the emptier bus will still likely stop at most of the stops, thus keeping more even spacing. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 8 18:36:26 2020, in response to Re: Sign if you agree. RE:bus stop spacings, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 7 19:42:39 2020. Agreed. They screwed up the S.I. express buses and are taking over a year to fix it. The Bronx isn’t what it should have been. Queens will destroy the borough. |
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