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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Tue Sep 10 17:39:42 2019, in response to W.B.'s Bus Almanac for September 10th, posted by W.B. on Tue Sep 10 02:36:22 2019. So basically, the M58 and M30 were made into duplicates of each other running two blocks apart west of 5th Avenue? |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Sep 10 19:55:43 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for September 10th, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Tue Sep 10 17:39:42 2019. Don't know about the M58, but a good part of M72 duplicated M30 except for the area 'round Central Park. What's amazing is that M30 lasted nearly 21 more years after this change, despite having essentially become superfluous by the M72 intro. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 10 20:34:40 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for September 10th, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Tue Sep 10 17:39:42 2019. No. The M58 ran via York, the M30 ran via 5th/Madison. Both used 57th west of 5th. |
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Posted by W.B. on Wed Sep 11 05:12:25 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for September 10th, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 10 20:34:40 2019. That's the other thing. The M58 ran along the easternmost end of 57th, the M57 more to the west (but terminating at 73rd and Broadway). No parallels to M30. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Wed Sep 11 17:11:40 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for September 10th, posted by W.B. on Tue Sep 10 19:55:43 2019. Like many other things, it's based in history. The original 72nd Street crosstown actually ran east on W. 72nd St. westbound, and west on W. 72nd St. eastbound. It started at 72nd & CPW and then went via Broadway, 59th/CPS (or 57th?) and Fifth/Madison to get to the East Side. All this presumably due to the absence of a transverse road through Central Park at 72nd St., hence this awkward solution to providing crosstown service.When they finally came up with a normal 72nd St. routing that ran westward westbound and eastward eastbound on the West Side by sharing the 66th St. transverse road with the 66th St. crosstown bus, clearly it was felt that the original routing ought to be maintained for customers accustomed to using the route to reach locations along the south side of Central Park. Hence, the M30. Not surprisingly, such service was not all that much in demand and was probably fated to die off. At least that's how I see it. |
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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for September 10th |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 22:35:17 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for September 10th, posted by W.B. on Wed Sep 11 05:12:25 2019. IINM, the M58 and M30 had common terminals but took different routes to get there. The overlap in their routes was west of 5th Avenue. |
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