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Posted by northshore on Sat Apr 29 14:47:26 2017, in response to Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by andy on Sat Apr 29 10:36:11 2017. Q44 service was started by North Shore Bus Co. soon after the bridge opened and it was a success from the beginning. It always got the latest equipment, Twin Coach buses at the time. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Apr 29 15:31:29 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by northshore on Sat Apr 29 14:47:26 2017. I remember taking it with my folks some time around 1960. It was already a "City bus" (NYCTA I guess), while the Bronx buses were still privately run. We took the Bx40 to West Farms Square and changed for the "City bus" to Queens. The hard plastic seats were a novelty to me, as the buses I was used to had green leatherette (?) padded seats. |
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Posted by northshore on Sat Apr 29 17:14:52 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Apr 29 15:31:29 2017. Yes, the Q44 had the 7000-series buses from Flushing Depot. They were GMC TDH-5106's with air suspension, push door, coral color fiberglass seats with lounge seating in the rear and pastel blue interiors. Quite different than the Surface old, old looks. |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Apr 30 02:54:43 2017, in response to Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by andy on Sat Apr 29 10:36:11 2017. When it opened it had four traffic lanes and two pedestrian sidewalks. Four years later, after the collapse of the similarly-designed Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington, a stiffening truss was added and the sidewalks were eliminated, and there were then six lanes of traffic. In 2003 the stiffening truss was removed, replaced by wedge-shaped wind deflectors along the sides of the roadway. It's a beautiful, graceful masterpiece of engineering. 
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Posted by northshore on Sun Apr 30 13:07:23 2017, in response to Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by andy on Sat Apr 29 10:36:11 2017. Was ferry service from College Point, Queens to Classon Point, Brnx discontinue the same day? |
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Posted by Joe on Sun Apr 30 15:10:54 2017, in response to Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by andy on Sat Apr 29 10:36:11 2017. I know this is a tough question, but here goes. In the 1940's, the trip from Flushing to The Bronx involved an extra fare. My memory is the bus driver paying the toll, then pulling to the side of the road and collecting the tickets that showed you had already paid the second zone or making the passenger go to the fare box and insert another nickel. Is memory correct? In July, 1948, the fares were raised, but I think the second fare was collected for another ten or twenty years. How high were the fares when the second zone fare was finally dropped? At what point did the Board of Transportation or the NYCTA or MTA stop paying tolls to the TBTA? |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Apr 30 15:21:47 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by Joe on Sun Apr 30 15:10:54 2017. There was a nickel surcharge that was collected by a dispatcher at Parsons Blvd (last stop in Queens) westbound and at Lafayette Av in the Bronx eastbound.A nickel had to be inserted by the passenger in a hand held device.This system lasted until the mid 1970's when the surcharge was eliminated as compensation for the increased fare hike. The bridge toll was eliminated in 1968 when the NYCTA and the TBTA became part of the same new agency, the MTA. FYI' Queens Transit had a different method. Since the QBx-1 was considered an premium fare limited stop service there was a flat 20 cent fare (15 cent regular fare at that time) which was deposited in the fare box by all passengers when boarding. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 30 18:35:49 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by northshore on Sun Apr 30 15:21:47 2017. When I used to take the Q44 from Queens to the Bx, I recall that passengers paid the additional nickel to the operator at the time of boarding and received a receipt for the extra nickel. Just before the bus went over the bridge, the operator would collect the receipts from the passengers. I never was able to see, but I suspect that the operator gave the receipts to the toll taker before proceeding across the bridge. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 30 18:37:32 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by northshore on Sun Apr 30 15:21:47 2017. When I used to take the Q44 from Queens to the Bx, I recall that passengers paid the additional nickel to the operator at the time of boarding and received a receipt for the extra nickel. Just before the bus went over the bridge, the operator would collect the receipts from the passengers. I never was able to see, but I suspect that the operator gave the receipts to the toll taker before proceeding across the bridge. I also seem to recall that somewhere along Qns Blvd, the Green Lines Q60 had a similar set up that required an additional nickel for passengers passing a certain point in either direction. |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Apr 30 18:49:29 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by randyo on Sun Apr 30 18:35:49 2017. The nickel collected for the bus fare surcharge was not given to a bridge toll collector. It was not their business. Before MTA,the bus driver did give what looked like a transfer to the toll collector for the bridge toll for the bus. |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Apr 30 18:56:23 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by randyo on Sun Apr 30 18:37:32 2017. I think the paper receipts (they looked like transfers) were used in later years. Previously a dispatcher collected the nickel with a hand held coin machine.Zone fare tickets were used by Green Bus Lines for the Q-60 Queens Blvd line, Jamaica Buses for the Q-Q-113 Far Rockaway line. |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Apr 30 22:16:01 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by randyo on Sun Apr 30 18:37:32 2017. On the Manhattan-bound Q60, passengers boarding east of 63 Road paid an extra fare and received a zone ticket if they were going beyond Broadway. West of 63 Road up to Broadway they paid regular fare and received the zone ticket for free. At Broadway the operator opened the rear door for exiting riders and then walked down the aisle collecting all the zone tickets, then opened the front door for new riders and no tickets were used for the rest of the trip. Jamaica bound, passengers boarding west of Grand Av paid the extra fare for the zone ticket if they were going beyond 63 Drive, those boarding between Grand Av and 63 Drive paid regular fare and got the zone ticket for free, and at 63 Drive the operator opened the rear door and collected all the zone tickets, which were not used from there to Jamaica. 
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 1 00:19:03 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by gbs on Sun Apr 30 22:16:01 2017. That's the 1970 model if I recall. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 1 18:04:11 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by northshore on Sun Apr 30 18:49:29 2017. I remember the B/O giving something to the toll collector. While I realize, it wasn’t actually any cash, I assumed it might have been the passenger receipts that the operator collected so that the TBTA could bill the TA based on the number of passengers crossing the bridge. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 1 18:06:13 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by northshore on Sun Apr 30 18:56:23 2017. Starting in 1964, I rode from Wash Hts in Manhattan to Queens College using the Bx36 and Q44 and at that time, the operators were collecting the nickel surcharge and issuing receipts. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon May 1 18:10:30 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by randyo on Mon May 1 18:04:11 2017. The bridge toll was not based on the number of passengers. It was a flat rate. The receipt that the B/O gave the toll collector was for the full toll that the TBTA gave to the NYCTA for reimbursement. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon May 1 18:29:08 2017, in response to Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by andy on Sat Apr 29 10:36:11 2017. I don't recall a surcharge for the bus crossing the Verazzano Bridge. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon May 1 19:57:52 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by northshore on Mon May 1 18:29:08 2017. I don't recall a surcharge for the bus crossing the Verazzano Bridge. There never was one. The surcharge on the Q-44 continued for some time after the TBTA became park of the MTA. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by gbs on Tue May 2 02:51:45 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon May 1 00:19:03 2017. The photo is dated 1971, so you may be correct. If I remember correctly, the early-mid '60s new buses had 400 series numbers. Those brand-new buses were used on the special World's Fair route, which I seem to recall cost $.25 instead of the regular $.15 fare. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed May 3 01:27:41 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by gbs on Sun Apr 30 02:54:43 2017. It looks so much better without the bracing. I am sure the cables appreciate the weight reduction. |
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Posted by northshore on Wed May 3 20:30:46 2017, in response to Re: Andy's Almanac - April 29, posted by gbs on Sun Apr 30 02:54:43 2017. Beautiful look as intended |
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