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[PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 24 17:13:57 2016

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System: MABSTOA...Location: South Ferry... Route: M6...Bus: 1301...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 1981...Notes: WMATA 1301 AS MABSTOA 1713...from nycsubway.org

System: MABSTOA...Location: Broadway & 49 St... Route: M104...Bus: 1315... Photo by: Steve Zabel...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 5/7/1981...Notes: WMATA 1315 AS MABSTOA 1750...from nycsubway.org

System: New York City Transit... Location: Hylan & Richmond... Bus: 2650... Photo by: Doug Grotjahn...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 3/21/1981...Notes: WMATA 2650 AS TA 1857...from nycsubway.org

System: New York City Transit... Location: Bay St. & Victory... Bus: 6872... Photo by: Doug Grotjahn...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 1/17/1981...Notes: WMATA 6872 AS TA 1869...from nycsubway.org

System: New York City Transit... Location: Edgewater Depot... Bus: 6883... Photo by: Doug Grotjahn...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 6/23/1981...Notes: WMATA 6883 AS TA 1855...from nycsubway.org

System: New York City Transit... Location: State & Whitehall... Bus: 6876... Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 3/26/1981...Notes: WMATA 6876 AS TA 1895...from nycsubway.org

System: MABSTOA...Location: Broadway & 42 St... Route: M104...Bus: 6439... Photo by: Steve Zabel...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 5/7/1981...Notes: WMATA 6439 AS MABSTOA 1749...from nycsubway.org


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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 24 17:55:44 2016, in response to [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 24 17:13:57 2016.

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I remember riding them on the M6 in the early 1980's from Thomas & Church up to Herald Square. Nice seats. So much nicer than the gross, noisy, dirty, IRT cars on the 2 & 3.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by LadyTripLex on Mon Oct 24 18:21:00 2016, in response to [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 24 17:13:57 2016.

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Way before my time. Great photographs. Thanks for sharing them.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 24 18:36:58 2016, in response to [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 24 17:13:57 2016.

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Thanks Bill. I have no idea why I didn't find the time to hunt down/ride even one when they were here.

My VERY bad!

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by WayneJay on Mon Oct 24 18:52:52 2016, in response to [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 24 17:13:57 2016.

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Awesome! I have fond memories of this time. I was in High School at the time. AMS had a bunch of the WMATA buses (FFS also has some of those at MABSTOA). I used to chase down these buses on the M100 which operated from AMS in those days. I'm pretty sure all of the WMATA Flxibles operated from only NYCTA depots (Edgewater).

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 24 19:03:04 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by WayneJay on Mon Oct 24 18:52:52 2016.

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Did any of these WMATA New Looks survive anywhere ?

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by kcram3500 on Mon Oct 24 19:32:38 2016, in response to [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 24 17:13:57 2016.

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I remember the convoys coming up the NJ Turnpike... they ran at night to not get caught in too much traffic. A friend who was in the NJ National Guard drove one of the WMATA Fish and said his bus had no lights whatsoever... he said he just hugged the back of the bus in front of him from DC all the way to NYC.

By the way, the red/white number in the window was the temporary MTA fleet number - they didn't go by the WMATA fleet numbers, since they overlapped with existing MTA numbers.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 25 04:11:28 2016, in response to [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 24 17:13:57 2016.

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Awesome! I CLEARLY remember the DC buses up here!

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 25 07:53:20 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 24 18:36:58 2016.

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Thanks Bill. I have no idea why I didn't find the time to hunt down/ride even one when they were here.

My VERY bad!


I rode an M-6 Metrobus down to South Ferry. It was a fishbowl in the DC Transit colors. It may have been the one seen in that last photo.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 25 07:56:31 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Oct 24 19:32:38 2016.

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By the way, the red/white number in the window was the temporary MTA fleet number - they didn't go by the WMATA fleet numbers, since they overlapped with existing MTA numbers.

Yes, I am aware of the temp numbering system.

BTW, I rode an M-6 fishbowl Metrobus down to South ferry still in DC Transit colors. How many buses had the old DC Transit paint and were any of them Flxibles ?

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Q4 on Tue Oct 25 08:34:16 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 25 07:53:20 2016.

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I saw them but never rode one here in New York (I did while in DC). I did not know that any of the ones we leased were in the old livery scheme instead of the Metrobus white with red and blue stripes scheme.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Caine515 on Tue Oct 25 12:12:28 2016, in response to [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 24 17:13:57 2016.

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I remember them running on the S6 (now S66) line. I don't remember them in Brooklyn.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by WayneJay on Tue Oct 25 14:57:51 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 24 19:03:04 2016.

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Yes, there are some. WMATA has a couple of them in their historical fleet.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by WayneJay on Tue Oct 25 15:01:54 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 25 07:56:31 2016.

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Most were in WMATA colors, but the TA did have plenty of units in the old DC Transit colors as well. All of the Flxibles I saw were in the WMATA red, white and blue, and I believe all of them were assigned to Staten Island.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 25 15:37:13 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Q4 on Tue Oct 25 08:34:16 2016.

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I remember riding one on the 42 St Xtown and I probably rode a few more that I can’t recall.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 25 15:43:06 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 25 07:56:31 2016.

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Couldn’t the MTA have placed stick on numbers over the WMATA numbers without causing any permanent harm to the paint?

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by WayneJay on Tue Oct 25 16:19:18 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 25 15:43:06 2016.

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I always thought the TA had placed the temp numbers in a good spot on the WMATA buses which was close to the spots in which the numbers were located on their own buses.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by WayneJay on Tue Oct 25 16:23:39 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Caine515 on Tue Oct 25 12:12:28 2016.

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I remember them running on the S6 (now S66) line. I don't remember them in Brooklyn.


I can't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure the WMATA buses were assigned only to Staten Island depots, and MABSTOA's 54th St, and Amsterdam depots. I do recall seeing some from Staten Island in Manhattan on express routes.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 25 17:50:06 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by WayneJay on Tue Oct 25 14:57:51 2016.

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What about the ones that were sent up to NY ?

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 25 20:35:05 2016, in response to [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 24 17:13:57 2016.

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The photos are fine but the buses look like chunks of shit.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 25 20:54:17 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 25 20:35:05 2016.

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But they were so comfortable.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 25 21:45:46 2016, in response to [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 24 17:13:57 2016.

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The infamous Grumman crisis. I was living in L. A. then, where we had our own issues (there were only had 230 of them, but fortunately, SCRTD had starting taking in the first buses of a massive order of GMC RTS-04s the week before the Grummans went away. By mid-January, between the RTS and some older buses brought out of storage, they were back up to full staffing. Grummans started coming back in service around May in LA. I was in NYC for about a week in August and got to ride one of the WMATA Flxibles, somewhere in Manhattan, I don't remember where exactly. I guess they hung around even though some of the Grummans were back in service in NYC when I was there.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 25 22:04:02 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 25 20:54:17 2016.

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Were they? I believe you.
I suppose you couldn't expect them to send us nice buses. I'm impressed they made the drive up 95 in the first place.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by WayneJay on Tue Oct 25 22:23:06 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 25 22:04:02 2016.

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I rode lots of them and they always seemed to be as not far gone as similar TA buses. These buses were actually being stored as part of WMATA's contingency fleet. I remember reading that some of the buses weren't doing too well enroute and were sent back to DC.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by WayneJay on Tue Oct 25 22:25:35 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 25 21:45:46 2016.

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Yeah, the WMATA buses weren't sent back until most of the Grummans were back in service.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 25 23:21:09 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by WayneJay on Tue Oct 25 22:23:06 2016.

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They're lucky DC had them available.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by SubwayDiner on Wed Oct 26 00:51:56 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 25 21:45:46 2016.

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Weren't there some Old Looks that'd come out of mothballs? I remember seeing a picture once of an RTD Old Look from 1981 or so.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 07:02:50 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 25 17:50:06 2016.

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What about the ones that were sent up to NY ?

There's probably still one at the bottom of the Verrazano Narrows...

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 26 08:55:33 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 07:02:50 2016.

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One of the first reef jobs.
Unintentional though.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 26 09:27:13 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by SubwayDiner on Wed Oct 26 00:51:56 2016.

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Yes, some did come back out of reserve, a few may have not yet been retired on 12/14/80 when the Grummans were sidelined, and just continued running. In the spring of 1981, I rode 2167, a 1954 TDH-4801 originally delivered to Metropolitan Coach Lines (which took over Pacific Electric bus (and rail) lines in 1953), and later ran for LAMTA and then RTD. That was the last Old Look bus I ever rode. The Old Looks were retired for good in the summer of 1981, when all 940 RTS-04s were in service and a good amount of the Grummans were back. Some RTD Old Looks went up to San Francisco, where Muni was having a motor coach shortage at that time. I don't know how long they ran there.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by WayneJay on Wed Oct 26 12:16:20 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 07:02:50 2016.

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I think we lost at least two of the the WMATA buses along with some of the TA's own buses. I know that the TA reimbursed WMATA with a like Flxible and GMC T6H-5305A.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Caine515 on Wed Oct 26 12:23:43 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by WayneJay on Wed Oct 26 12:16:20 2016.

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We did . one got stolen the other was caught in a fire.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Oct 26 13:27:27 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by WayneJay on Wed Oct 26 12:16:20 2016.

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The Flxible they sent to wmata was bus #4000

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Oct 26 13:27:59 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Oct 26 13:27:27 2016.

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I think the fishbowl was a 8000 series

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 26 13:32:29 2016, in response to [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 24 17:13:57 2016.

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Very nice!

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by WayneJay on Wed Oct 26 13:57:54 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Oct 26 13:27:27 2016.

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Right, and interesting enough WMATA decided to continue using the 4000 number after they had repainted the bus into their own color scheme. I'm told that WMATA did leave the perimeter seating in place. I heard that the GMC was one of the 8800 series X buses.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 26 14:02:57 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by WayneJay on Wed Oct 26 13:57:54 2016.

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There were pics of them floating around somewhere.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by WayneJay on Wed Oct 26 14:04:39 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Oct 26 13:27:27 2016.

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I Googled it. Apparently this photo is from the TTMG.org website.

http://www.ttmg.org/pages/flxible/wmata-flxiblea.html

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Oct 26 15:28:31 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 07:02:50 2016.

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What happened?

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Oct 26 15:29:17 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by WayneJay on Wed Oct 26 13:57:54 2016.

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4000 was a good bus, I used to ride it home from h.s. on the b50

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 26 16:44:49 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Oct 26 13:27:27 2016.

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The Flxible they sent to wmata was bus #4000

Location: Shore Rd & 3rd Ave... Route: B37...Bus: 4000... Photo by: Doug Grotjahn...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 5/16/1972...from nycsubway.org

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 26 16:47:49 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by WayneJay on Wed Oct 26 14:04:39 2016.

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LINKED

Bill Newkirk

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Nyc buses replaced for Metrobuses

Posted by Caine515 on Wed Oct 26 21:56:26 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 26 14:02:57 2016.

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Two WMATA buses were damaged in nyc service.one was stolen In Staten Island and found in a swamp the next day destroyed by fire. The second rolled off the pier at Edgewater depot. NYC gave in return Flixible #4000 and GMT6H5305 #8802. I don't believe they ever saw service in D.C.

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Re: Nyc buses replaced for Metrobuses

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 26 23:38:35 2016, in response to Nyc buses replaced for Metrobuses, posted by Caine515 on Wed Oct 26 21:56:26 2016.

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There was a link to a pic of 4000 today in DC livery.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 23:52:51 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Oct 26 15:28:31 2016.

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What happened?

Pier collapse at Edgewater Depot.

I take back my previous statement. The buses were removed from the water.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 26 23:53:44 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Oct 26 13:27:59 2016.

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I think the fishbowl was a 8000 series

It was 8800.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 27 07:26:09 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 26 13:32:29 2016.

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Very nice!

Thank you.

The cracked "A" frame fiasco on the Grumman 870's was a once in a lifetime event where one could ride and photograph buses from another city (Wash D.C.) to one's delight. This was something we probably will never see again.

Did CTA have Grumman 870's with cracked "A" frames ?

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Oct 27 09:14:34 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 27 07:26:09 2016.

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No, but PACE did.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Oct 27 09:16:39 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 27 07:26:09 2016.

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Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 27 10:16:15 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Invasion Of The Metrobuses, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Oct 27 09:16:39 2016.

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Nice, thank you.

Bill Newkirk

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