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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 2 13:13:34 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 1 22:35:25 2016. But this isn't an interchange (i.e. no signs for the GCP) and if you have a 50/50 shot, you'd go in the direction that stays closer to the highway you're looking to get on. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 2 13:15:47 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Sep 2 12:37:14 2016. niiiice |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 2 22:28:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 2 13:13:34 2016. I still don't agree. My opinion is that anyone who knows they want the GCP will know that the BQE branches off and to avoid any ramp to it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 2 23:42:41 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Sep 2 12:37:14 2016. This happened quite some time ago, so it is quite possible the signage was changed by now. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 2 23:57:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 2 23:42:41 2016. So what's the problem? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 2 23:58:35 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Sep 1 13:31:20 2016. No the road does not go straight ahead. It is a ramp that goes up and turns left so if you never traveled that way before, you have no idea where that road leads. It could very well be the entrance to the Marine Terminal.As for the BQE sign, it is merely a small directional sign telling you to bear right if you want the BQE with no indication that you are about to approach the entrance to the BQE. It could be a mile away. After you make the turn, the left part of the road leads to the BQE with no indication where the right half of the road goes. Worse yet, the following BQE sign letting you know the ramp on the left leads to the BQE is on the opposite side of the roadway on the right and is non reflective and posted in a dark location not near a street lamp making it completely invisible at night. It is a very dangerous and confusing point that needs immediate correction. I have been traveling this way for nine years and it has been this way. I was very confused on my first trip. To think DOT has no staff that routinely travels the roads to spot this type of problem which they should have found in nine years, is unthinkable and that they only rely on complaints. I have never reported this because I have no faith they would correct it because they once stopped me in the street and gave me a survey to fill out. After I completed it, I listed about a dozen dangerous conditions on the reverse side and none were ever corrected. Another time I sent them a letter telling them they needed to repaint some lines where dual left turn lanes led into a sinlgle lane. I had to send the same letter three times until they understood the problem, then wait three years from 2003 to 2006 for them to finally correct the problem. Now the lines need to be repainted again, and of course they are not doing it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 00:00:24 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Sep 2 11:09:41 2016. Stop with the insults. This happened many years ago. I never said it was recent. If you can't find the location on Google Maps, most likely it was corrected. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 00:00:34 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Sep 2 11:09:41 2016. Stop with the insults. This happened many years ago. I never said it was recent. If you can't find the location on Google Maps, most likely it was corrected. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 00:07:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 1 22:29:58 2016. I know exactly what "EXIT ONLY" means. My point is that it would have been clearer if it said "Atlantic City Expressaway Entrance Only" rather than EXIT ONLY because you are ENTERING the expressway, not exiting from it. It is dumb to emphasize that you are exiting from a local street with intersections every 200 feet, since that is rarely if ever done.Tell me what would be the harm if it said ENTRANCE ONLY instead of EXIT ONLY. I think it would be much clearer for drivers looking for the expressway. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Sat Sep 3 08:14:29 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 2 23:57:20 2016. No problem. Just a chance to cry about something. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 3 08:45:00 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 00:07:07 2016. No, because there's no such thing as "entrance only" in this context. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 10:01:23 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 2 23:57:20 2016. Didn't say it was a problem now. Was just making a point that confusing signage has always been a problem. If not in one location, then somewhere else because I am getting tired how so many people here are always defending transportation agencies as always making correct decisions and defending them when the truth is they make errors all the time. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 10:03:37 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 3 08:45:00 2016. There certainly is because if your are in the lane that says "Atlantic City Expressway, Exit Only" you have no choice but to enter the expressway. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 3 10:54:23 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 10:01:23 2016. Except that by citing examples that are not poor signage, you do nothing to attempt to prove your point. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 3 10:55:12 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 10:03:37 2016. And exit the road you are on. Where is the confusion? |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Sep 4 00:29:51 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Sep 1 12:22:37 2016. No, Astoria Blvd South never splits. It is one continuous road which has some left and right exits and is considered to be Astoria Blvd.And the majority on Astoria Blvd do not use the GCP - - they continue on Astoria Blvd or to LGA Marine Air Terminal via. 23rd Ave (there is no left turn from Astoria Blvd onto northbound 82nd Street or use the BQE from the Western entrance. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Sep 4 00:38:00 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 10:01:23 2016. There are signs which are wrong or head scratchers.1. On southbound Meeker Ave, there are right turns allowed only onto westbound Metropolitan Ave - - next to the All Traffic ====> sign (right turn only) there was a green information sign showing Metropolitan Ave <=== East / West ====> Thankfully that sign was changed as you cannot turn left onto eastbound Metropolitan Ave 2. On West 207th Street under 10 Ave IRT 1 train in Inwood, there are two height postings, one 11' and the other 12'. 3. One takes the cake, right on Ericsson Place at Hudson Street is a green sign pointing to the Holland Tunnel "Entrance" and Hudson Street as right turns. But the sign is facing the wrong way (you look at it while facing west when Ericsson Place is one way eastbound towards the 1st Precinct) while the directions will take you to the Holland Tunnel exit loop!!! Go figure. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Sep 4 00:39:42 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 10:03:37 2016. Not is you have a phone and use GPS.That solves every problem you have with signs - - the GPS and Google Maps will tell you by voice directions which lane you should be on and where you should enter or exit. Problem solved. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Sep 4 00:41:03 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 10:01:23 2016. Was just making a point that confusing signage has always been a problem.Yea, STOP signs are confusing signage for drivers. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 4 01:33:01 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 2 22:28:20 2016. Then there's no problem! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 4 01:35:44 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 3 10:54:23 2016. Exactly! He's almost always wrong! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 4 01:37:42 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 3 10:55:12 2016. pwn3d |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 4 01:38:23 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 00:07:07 2016. Dude, I already explained all this to you. My post should have ended the discussion on this matter. Why are you digging your hole deeper? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 4 01:39:24 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Sep 4 00:29:51 2016. And the majority on Astoria Blvd do not use the GCPI was looking at the traffic volumes and it seems he could be correct on that one point. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 4 17:37:52 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 00:00:34 2016. How many years ago? I've been going about the DC region for my entire life and do not recall a time when signs on the DC side of the Potomac were labeled by bridge. The only exception I can think of is the Memorial Bridge, which is also the only Potomac River crossing in the DC area to not be a numbered highway of some sort, and even then the signs all say "MEMORIAL BRIDGE/DC" or "MEMORIAL BRIDGE/VA". |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 4 17:39:08 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 2 23:42:41 2016. Like I said, my experience as a DC area resident for pretty much my entire life suggests that if your anecdote is from any time in the past 30 years, it is almost definitely false and you are making up the story. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Sun Sep 4 21:48:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Sep 3 10:01:23 2016. You make errors all the time, and you complain when we correct you. So why should transportation agencies put up with corrections? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 5 00:44:23 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 4 17:39:08 2016. Maybe he dreamt it. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 5 05:59:50 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Sep 1 13:31:20 2016. So forget needing a sign for the GCP, if anything, since I can see how the spot could be tricky, there should be a sign that makes clear that Astoria Blvd is the left-hand fork.I would agree that the straight-ahead sign should say Astoria Blvd. rather than Marine Air Terminal. Marine Air Terminal is only one of many destinations you reach by going straight ahead and should really not be singled out. The sign vaguely implies that the rest of LGA would be to the right, since they singled out Marine Air Terminal as being straight ahead. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 5 06:18:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Sep 2 12:37:14 2016. Looking at Street View on C St SW as you travel west on the block from 12 St SW to 14 St SW, all I see as you get toward the end of the block is a left-turn-only sign for the left lane. If you make that left turn you pretty much inexorably end up in Virginia. It probably would be nice if they made that clear. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 5 06:20:30 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 4 17:39:08 2016. How about this? |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Mon Sep 5 08:10:57 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Sun Sep 4 21:48:06 2016. Excellent point. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Sep 5 16:55:00 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 5 06:20:30 2016. Not much traffic on C Street unless you're a local or very lost. And Allan says there was signage for the 14th Street Bridge, C Street has NO signage at all (a different issue) based on Street View. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 5 17:28:00 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Sep 5 16:55:00 2016. Agreed. But it halfway fits his description. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:40:53 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 3 10:54:23 2016. It was an example of poor signage so it does prove my point. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:43:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Sep 4 00:41:03 2016. Not if you have a good driving instructor. One of the first things he to,d us was that when you stop at a stop sign, you don't wait until someone comes to remove the sign. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:44:34 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Sun Sep 4 21:48:06 2016. I make few errors and admit them unlike you who insisted that pedestrians have a God given right to walk wherever they want to. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:46:34 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 2 22:28:20 2016. It would not be confusing if the road was flat and straight but it isn't at that point. It turns up and veers to the left with no indication which way the Grand Central is. So your choices are left or right. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:47:56 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 3 10:55:12 2016. Because local roads with cross streets every 200 feet do not have exits. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:49:24 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Sep 4 00:39:42 2016. If you have a GPS you shouldn't need signs at all. Also if you use the same roads often you also do not need signs.The signs are for everyone else especially tourists without GPS. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:50:11 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 4 01:38:23 2016. You have explained nothing and also avoided answering my questions. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:52:03 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Sep 4 00:29:51 2016. We are not talking about the same intersection. I am talking about Astoria boulevard south going eastbound. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:52:58 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 4 17:37:52 2016. We are talking late 1980s. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Sep 6 11:02:26 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:44:34 2016. I make few errorsLOL and admit them Where? unlike you who insisted that pedestrians have a God given right to walk wherever they want to. What does that have to do with admitting errors? |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Sep 6 11:10:42 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:40:53 2016. It isn't poor if any coherent person quickly and clearly understands what it means. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Sep 6 11:13:02 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:47:56 2016. They certainly can.In fact, this one is signed as such! Properly no less!!! |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Sep 6 11:13:58 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:49:24 2016. If you have an established history of not being able to understand common signage, you should get a GPS, as you obviously need one. Common sense here. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:35:02 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:40:53 2016. It was an example of poor signage so it does prove my point.But you were just told that it is NOT an example of poor signage, so it doesn't prove your point. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:36:15 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Tue Sep 6 11:02:26 2016. good post |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 6 12:37:01 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 6 10:44:34 2016. I make few errorsNo, you make a TON of errors, in logic, reasoning, and math. |
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