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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Apr 26 08:31:07 2016 THIS IS NOT MY WORK. THIS IS THE WORK OF EAST NEW YORK ON NYCTF:"Merger Updates Effective April 26, 2016. MTA has officially acellerated the sytematic merger. Originally, MTA made plans to have the new Bus Command Center and radio system in place before introduction of a unified farebox system for NYCT and MTAB. New plans call for introduction of mobile ticketing that we can use on our smartphones in June of next year when the summer pick begins. Plans call for tickets to be able to be purchased prior to boarding and New York City Bus or Subway. It is said to be very similar to and called (MTA) eTix thats is in it's pilot phase on select MTA Railroad lines. More details will be available in the coming months. The new "tap" contactless payment system will now be pushed forward from 2020, to June 2018. With this new system we will be able to use our phones, debit/credit cars with chips, or the new MTA SmartCard. Effective immediately, (MTA) New York City Bus will be the branding for all of surface transit in the future. Buses will no longer wear titles however, and will only feature the MTA logo. For legal purposes the official names the divisions will remain and fall under MTA Bus Operations, which will comprise of Department of Buses TA/OA, and Bus Company. BC will offcially become the new OA for all general purposes. Bus Company HQ will be relocated to East New York Depot All New York City Subway and Bus (NYCT/BusCo) personnel will receive new MTA SmartIDCards. This will now directly line up with the introduction of the new dispatch, command, and radio projects." |
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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Apr 26 12:08:31 2016, in response to Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Apr 26 08:31:07 2016. That would be great. I always thought all of the buses should've been labeled MTA once the takeover happened, especially since buses were being transferred back and forth from NYCTA to MTAB. It used to be rather simple, and now it seems to be tons of "branding". Is it really needed??? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 27 14:56:05 2016, in response to Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Apr 26 08:31:07 2016. But will they ever combine the depots? It makes no sense for example for the B100 to operate out of Spring Creek when it passes right in front of Flatbush Depot. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Wed Apr 27 15:21:03 2016, in response to Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Apr 26 08:31:07 2016. Buses will no longer wear titles however, and will only feature the MTA logo.This is bad and contrary to the public interest. If a bus hits and injures a person, how is that person to know what bus company is responsible in a lawsuit? The potential is that a seriously-injured person will sue the New York City Transit Authority, and only after the statute of limitations has expired will it become known that the bus was being operated by MTA Bus Company. This practice would defeat the very reason for the legal lettering on buses. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 27 15:49:45 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 27 14:56:05 2016. Labor contracts, negotiations and their expirations are seperate and have different terms right now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 27 15:54:04 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by BusMgr on Wed Apr 27 15:21:03 2016. They'll get the number of the bus and the driver.I doubt anyone notices the finer points of the logo or barn sticker. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 27 15:56:15 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 27 15:49:45 2016. Doesn't SI buses within the TA (not MABSTOA or Bus Company) have their own "thing" with labor agreements since they once belonged to private companies that were not under the BMT ? |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed Apr 27 16:07:34 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by BusMgr on Wed Apr 27 15:21:03 2016. That would depend on if the legal names really appear. They used to... before the vanishing-letter logo, the buses really did say "New York City Transit Authority" or "Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transportation Operating Authority" on the sides by the fleet number, or in the old green paint pre-BusORama, at the roofline above the standee windows. "MTA New York City Bus" is not a legal name.NJ Transit buses have their full legal names on them - "N. J. Transit Bus Operations, Inc." - so they can be identified from contractors who also run under NJT colors. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 27 16:20:21 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Apr 27 16:07:34 2016. There does not seem to be any such thing as "Certificate Lettering" on the bottom flanks of any of these MTA bus entities. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Apr 27 16:52:45 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by BusMgr on Wed Apr 27 15:21:03 2016. A lawyer for a seriously injured party will file against anyone who might be responsible and leave it up to the courts to dismiss against anyone they find is not a party. All you need is a plate number to establish the starting point of the chain. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 27 18:12:17 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 27 15:56:15 2016. Both SI and Qns depots are under the ATU and not TWU and they are in 2 different locals as well. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 27 18:16:24 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 27 15:49:45 2016. While it may be unusual it is not unique since when the BMT and IRT had joint operation of the Astoria and Flushing Lines, employees of both companies reported to the same locations. It all depends on whether or not Flatbush Depot has enough space for the additional buses, since it wouldn’t be difficult to transfer supervision and management from Spring Creek if the latter depot were to be closed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 20:37:01 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by BusMgr on Wed Apr 27 15:21:03 2016. Just file a lawsuit against multiple defendants and then when it becomes clear during discovery that only one party is responsible, stipulate to discontinue against the wrong parties.As NYCTA and MaBSTOA are public authorities, one would also have to file a notice of claim. |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Apr 27 22:36:55 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by BusMgr on Wed Apr 27 15:21:03 2016. NYCTA, MaBSTOA, MTA BUS, SIRTOA all come under the jurisdiction of the MTA. The MTA is ultimately responsible in a lawsuit. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed Apr 27 23:35:40 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Wed Apr 27 22:36:55 2016. First sensible thing you said in many a long time, NS. And true too.Now, how about Metro North & the LIRR? |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Apr 27 23:39:16 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Wed Apr 27 23:35:40 2016. MetroNorth, LIRR, MTA Bridges & Tunnels are are legally under the jurisdiction of MTA. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed Apr 27 23:46:54 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Wed Apr 27 23:39:16 2016. Now, what happens if a mishap takes place on the NJT section of the MNRR, such as Pascack Vy? Where does the blame lie? Be careful now. |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Apr 28 08:53:18 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Wed Apr 27 23:46:54 2016. I've been injured. Call my lawyer! |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Apr 28 08:54:45 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Wed Apr 27 23:46:54 2016. And also MNRR operating on the New Haven Line in Connecticut. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 28 11:17:49 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Wed Apr 27 22:36:55 2016. FALSE. One must sue the appropriate public authority separately. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 28 11:37:48 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 28 11:17:49 2016. Correct |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Apr 28 11:47:45 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Wed Apr 27 22:36:55 2016. Isn't the MTA also involved? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 28 11:57:10 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 28 11:17:49 2016. In reality, people, with their lawyers, sue every entity, throw jello at the wall. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 13:14:03 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Thu Apr 28 08:54:45 2016. NHRR is MNRR. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 13:23:36 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 28 11:17:49 2016. NO. If someone gets hurt in, say, a public school, the school is partly responsible, but the Bd of Ed ultimately takes the case and makes the settlements.A passenger doesn't particulary know or care what the bus states on its side or its logo. The MTA gets the brunt of the thing and makes the settlement. If its a "city" bus, aka MTA, that agency makes the settlements. If a bank branch is responsible for a customer's grief, the branch manager and staff gets hell but the bank "in toto" needs to make the settlement. That's why corporations (in whole) have lawyers. To say that an injury "might" just happen when the entities are combined is ludicrous as if it never happened before. Even under "separate" agencies, if an injury occured on an OA or TA bus, the MTA took and settled the claim. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 13:25:08 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Thu Apr 28 11:47:45 2016. 100%. They hire the lawyers, they settle the matter. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Apr 28 13:34:00 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Thu Apr 28 11:47:45 2016. It gets dicey with government agencies (also railroads). Who owns vs who controls vs who operates? In NYS time requirements for instituting suits against governments and their agencies are very strict, as a prior poster mentioned, a notice of claim is filed first. That is a narrow window, it is one of the reasons why you read about lawsuits involving gov't agencies so quickly after an accident, not just because sharks smell blood, it is necessary to preserve your rights. How an agency is created legislatively (generally under NYS Public Authorities Law) will usually determine how/where a case proceeds (usually) under NYS Municipal Law. In NY a few categories of cases proceed in the Court of Claims rather than NYS Supreme Court. The short version is: in an accident involving any level of government or an agency consult with an attorney familiar with that type of case on a timely basis. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 28 14:19:13 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 28 11:17:49 2016. pwn3d |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 28 14:19:27 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 13:23:36 2016. Are you sure? Are you a lawyer? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 28 14:20:00 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 13:25:08 2016. Doesn't mean they are the ones you have to sue. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 28 14:20:36 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Wed Apr 27 22:36:55 2016. That doesn't sound right. And Spider-Pig confirmed my suspicions. Looks like you're wrong as usual. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 28 16:46:54 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 13:23:36 2016. Your school and bank examples are not at all analogous. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 17:16:07 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 28 16:46:54 2016. Why so? They have happened. I worked at the bank; friends at teh Bd of Ed. If not, explain why! |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 17:24:26 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 28 14:20:36 2016. Why did SP confirm your suspicions? Are wither of you lawyers? Have you never seen or heard of a case where someone was injured on TA property? If on the subway, who is going to get sued? The subway system? Certainly not; the MTA as the corporate parent, which has the bucks and the lawyers, will. How do you not see that?As much as I hate to, I have to agree with NS. This person has worked many years at NYCHA, has appeared in many NYCHA-related court cases dealing with injuries, as have I. Case in point, the housing development where an incident happened wasn't sued, it was NYCHA itself. Your serve, Northshore. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 17:24:52 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 17:24:26 2016. *either of you |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Apr 28 17:37:01 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 17:24:26 2016. Spot on. Thank you |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Apr 28 17:38:19 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 13:14:03 2016. But it also under the jurisdiction of the State of Connecticut. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Apr 28 17:46:38 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Thu Apr 28 17:38:19 2016. MTA PD are also sworn in CT because of the overlap. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 28 18:56:33 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Wed Apr 27 22:36:55 2016. Among the wrinkles regarding MTA vs any of its several constituent sub agencies is the funding of the bonds used to finance the agencies. AFAIK, anyone who has a claim against any of the agencies sues the constituent agency like the NYCTA, TBTA LIRR etc and not the umbrella agency which is the MTA. When I was still working for the NYCTA, my checks were issued by the New York City Transit Authority and not the MTA. Most of the employees are also employees of the individual constituent agencies although some operations recently have been consolidated under the MTA so that certain attorneys and tech support people are now directly employed by the MTA and get assigned as needed to the constituent agencies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 28 18:57:22 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 17:16:07 2016. So what? They have nothing to do with my claim that the MTA is a distinct party. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 28 18:58:41 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 17:24:26 2016. So what? NYCHA is a public authority and so is NYCTA. NYCTA must be sued in its own capacity.And yes. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Apr 28 21:57:46 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 28 18:56:33 2016. It is a very convoluted situation, the MTA is actually a public benefit corporation created to manage the affairs of various agencies. In the case of NYCHA, the individual NYCHA projects are not separate legal entities, (with the exception of a few they manage but don't own)whereas in the MTA case, for legal reasons many of the pieces are still legally separate and have different labor contracts, different access to fed funding methods, and especially who pays the bills. NYC does not contribute to certain operations or capital projects. BC gets fed funded buses, NYCTA usually doesn't. MTA has a police force, but NYPD patrols the subways and NYC bus routes, except for an occasional bus lane run by MTA PD (combo of MNRR/LIRR/SIRTA pd)In most cases, the legal entities still exist. MTA BC is not civil service, NYCTA is. Think about why MABSTOA existed. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Apr 29 00:05:57 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Apr 28 17:24:26 2016. The MTA is effectively the "holding company". So, you would sue the subsidiary (NYCTA, MaBSTOA, MTA Bus Company, SIRTOA, MNRR, LIRR) and the MTA as the holding company. The subsidiary would have the majority of the information related to said incident. In addition, the case law is based on the operations of the subsidiary, not the holding company. There is minimal integration between the MTA's agencies because many of their legal structures firewall the agency from being raided by other agencies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 29 11:04:20 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by JAzumah on Fri Apr 29 00:05:57 2016. And the case law establishes that a lawsuit against the MTA itself instead of the appropriate subsidiary would be dismissed. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 29 19:12:58 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by pragmatist on Thu Apr 28 21:57:46 2016. Actually, the way I understand it, the reason that MABSTOA was created rather than placing the FACCO and STS routes directly under the NYCTA was that the mgmt of FACCO sued the city for the unlawful takeover, so the NYCTA couldn’t make over full control until the suit was settled. I have e friend whose wife is and NYCTA lawyer and I asked him to ask her what occurs in the event of a lawsuit, so I should be getting some accurate info soon. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Apr 29 19:41:26 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 29 19:12:58 2016. That is exactly what happened.So a judge ruled that the TA could operate the routes (hence Operating Authority) but not own the franchises. Ultimately, the courts ruled that FACCO only owned Route 1 Fifth Avenue, so MaBSTOA never operated that route. A similar situation occurred with SIRT. B&O owned the right-of-way, the TA could operated the line (SIRTOA) but not own the right-of-way. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 29 21:47:10 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 28 18:58:41 2016. BUMP |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Apr 29 22:31:46 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Fri Apr 29 19:41:26 2016. In addition, you needed a way to move employees without going through the requirements that am agency under civil service law would have to follow. It is extremely difficult (but not impossible) to merge groups covered by different CBA, different pension plans, and represented by different unions and locals. It may take considerable legislative creativity and effort, something NYS has never been known for. Remember what was involved with merging the 3 police departments. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 29 22:39:41 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by northshore on Thu Apr 28 17:37:01 2016. Not spot on. He's completely wrong. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Apr 30 10:23:37 2016, in response to Re: Tap contactless payment card and NYCT/MTA Bus Merger, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 29 22:39:41 2016. How so? Explain. |
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