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Posted by northshore on Sun Apr 24 23:24:53 2016, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Apr 24 23:04:09 2016. The NYC DOT Express Bus Route Map was for the private bus lines it oversaw. Not that the private lines are now MTA Bus, NYC DOT is now out of the bus business. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Apr 25 08:40:43 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by northshore on Sun Apr 24 23:24:53 2016. Even though they don't subsidize it, aren't they still the oversight agency for the B110? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Apr 25 08:41:36 2016, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Apr 24 23:04:09 2016. Best I could find out there right now. (Scroll down). Some better views of limited sections here. (Again, scroll down).I too once owned this map and was sad to have lost it. But now that express buses are included on regular borough bus maps and general information about express buses is much more widespread than a few years back, this map is more just a curious collector's item simply because it was printed. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Apr 25 08:43:26 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Apr 25 08:41:36 2016. Sorry, realized you were in that thread and saw it already :( |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Apr 25 08:56:18 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by northshore on Sun Apr 24 23:24:53 2016. I have a copy of that map. It covered all the express routes in the city, both private and public.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 25 10:28:22 2016, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Apr 24 23:04:09 2016. I have at least two copies. I'll need to see if I can find one. The map was necessary at the time (actualy overdue IMO) because info for the PBL's express routes was not on the NYCTA borough bus maps. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Apr 25 10:44:38 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 25 10:28:22 2016. I used to take the Jewel Ave express (QM4) and these would (occasionally) be in the map pockets behind the driver. I'll look, but I think mine are long gone. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 25 13:06:59 2016, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Apr 24 23:04:09 2016. Or does anyone know of a PDF link?If someone loans me a copy, I could probably produce a PDF of a scan of it. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Apr 25 22:52:44 2016, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Apr 24 23:04:09 2016. I still have a few copies. BTW there are references to NYCT express routes on the map, not just DOT. |
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Posted by B1bus on Wed Apr 27 15:36:25 2016, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Apr 24 23:04:09 2016. The racetrack routes were printed on that map. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 27 15:53:03 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by pragmatist on Mon Apr 25 08:40:43 2016. They should and I believe there are still a few other privately operated bus routes.And since they are implementing SBS and are the lead agency for it, you can't really say they are out of the bus business. They are also responsible for bus stops as well as supervising CEMUSA, the bus shelter company. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Sun May 1 13:39:45 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Apr 25 22:52:44 2016. I'd be willing to pay for one or two copies. |
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Posted by northshore on Sun May 1 15:39:14 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Apr 25 22:52:44 2016. How much? |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun May 1 16:35:17 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun May 1 13:39:45 2016. as would I. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 1 19:49:57 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Apr 25 22:52:44 2016. If someone loans me a copy, I could probably produce a PDF of a scan of it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 1 19:50:04 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun May 1 13:39:45 2016. If someone loans me a copy, I could probably produce a PDF of a scan of it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 1 19:50:10 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by Union Tpke on Sun May 1 16:35:17 2016. If someone loans me a copy, I could probably produce a PDF of a scan of it. |
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Posted by B1bus on Mon May 2 17:32:33 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 1 19:49:57 2016. WE HEARD YOU. PEOPLE WANT A PHYSICAL COPY TO HOLD AND LOOK AT!!! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 2 17:37:07 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by B1bus on Mon May 2 17:32:33 2016. And other people want an electronic copy. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 2 18:48:15 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 2 17:37:07 2016. Correct. An electronic copy would be better than nothing (or better than a few selective snapshots), which seems to be what most people here have access to. Also, an electronic copy can be printed out, created a physical copy to hold!!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 2 18:51:33 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by B1bus on Mon May 2 17:32:33 2016. What do you think you can do with a PDF? You can PRINT IT OUT SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A PHYSICAL COPY TO HOLD AND LOOK AT!Unless they don't want to ruin its value by unfolding it, or unless they don't want to lessen its value by creating more copies, I don't see why no one who has a copy has volunteered to allow it to be scanned so it can be enjoyed by all. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon May 2 20:19:12 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 2 18:51:33 2016. IT ISN'T THE SAME THING TO JUST HAVE A PRINT OUT COPY! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 2 20:33:51 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by Union Tpke on Mon May 2 20:19:12 2016. So? You can have the printout, while everyone in the world can have the electronic copy. An electronic copy is completely non-rival. One can have their map and share it too. |
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Posted by Lawrence Hughes on Mon May 2 20:48:12 2016, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Apr 24 23:04:09 2016. I was the driving force behind the development of the NYC DOT express bus map quite some time ago when I was head of bus service planning for the City of New York. It is reassuring to see so much enthusiasm for a map that has been so long out of print, and for which much of the information has since become dated and obsolete.The inspiration of the map was the absence of such information elsewhere. While the information might had been incorporated into the bus maps then published by the New York City Transit Authority, the problem was (and I think remains) that the express bus information placed on top of the local bus route information can lead to information overload; the relatively limited utility of the express bus routes can takeover a map reader's attention, to the detriment of a map reader trying to understand the basic route route structure in the various boroughs. Yes, a single map may facilitate transfers between local and express routes, but at the time--and think continuing to this day--those transfers are minimal. A secondary concern was that there existed at the time some elements within the NYCTA who believed that the express bus routes funded by NYC DOT somehow "competed" against the NYCTA bus routes. Of course, this concern was unfounded because the City contributed financial support to both the NYCTA and privately-operated transit services. Nonetheless, that would have been an issue that no one at the time wanted to open. The idea and inspiration for the map originated at NYC DOT. Funding for the map was provided by both NYC DOT and NYCTA. The cartographic work was contracted by Command Bus Company using a competitive bidding process. The work was awarded to, and completed by, the transit graphics firm Reineck & Reineck, of San Francisco (a husband and wife team). It has been been nearly twenty years since I last worked at NYC DOT, and while I looked on my computer to see if I had saved a PDF version of the map, I do not seem to have done so. Perhaps I might a copy some day in the future. Nonetheless, the cartographers, Jack and Gay Reineck, should have a PDF copy backed up in their system. If anyone is willing and able to host a site where the map could be viewed and/or downloaded (I recall the file size being large), and they wanted to make all the logistical arrangements with the cartographers, for hosting the map locally, etc., I would not object to them contacting the Reinecks for a copy of the file (since their client was Command Bus Company, there might be permission issues that, if need be, I might be able to facilitate). |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 2 21:09:37 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by Lawrence Hughes on Mon May 2 20:48:12 2016. I never liked the idea of showing both express and local routes on the same map. It just clutters up the local map. At least, the portions of the express routes where they operate on highways and make no stops should not be as prominent. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 3 00:09:21 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 2 20:33:51 2016. Yep. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 3 00:11:09 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by Union Tpke on Mon May 2 20:19:12 2016. IT ISN'T THE SAME THING TO JUST HAVE A PRINT OUT COPY!What are you talking about? Did you read my post? I said: "What do you think you can do with a PDF? You can PRINT IT OUT SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A PHYSICAL COPY TO HOLD AND LOOK AT!" So what is your issue with allowing me to scan someone's copy of this rare map and make it available for all to view electronically or make their own printouts? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 3 00:16:35 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by Lawrence Hughes on Mon May 2 20:48:12 2016. You're awesome. Thanks for all the historical info. I would be more than willing to give it my best shot to host a high-quality PDF of the map on the web for all to enjoy. My website is Railfanwindow.com and I currently host thousands of my own photos and some other people's as well. My website is relatively high-performance and unless this Map would generate a ridiculous amount of bandwidth demand, my site should handle it ok. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue May 3 15:29:51 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by northshore on Sun May 1 15:39:14 2016. For you???? Or anyone else. |
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Posted by northshore on Tue May 3 16:26:08 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by r17-6599 on Tue May 3 15:29:51 2016. Can you give me an inside deal to the President of your Fan Club? |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue May 3 16:39:27 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by Lawrence Hughes on Mon May 2 20:48:12 2016. I think they reused the same design language with those new WalkNYC maps. The bicycle map looks as if its a dead ringer of the express map. |
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Posted by Lawrence Hughes on Tue May 3 19:59:52 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue May 3 16:39:27 2016. There are several good transportation graphic artists out there, though in terms of transit map designers given the added dimension of being able to communicate service attributes in addition to geographic attributes. It appears that the WalkNYC maps were produced by a consortium known as the PentaCityGroup, while the NYC DOT bike maps were designed in-house (I have not had involvement with either). It is probably coincidental that you're finding similarities between the NYC DOT express bus route map and these other two designs, and you're seeing reuse of successful graphics techniques rather than purposeful copying. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat May 7 11:05:49 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 3 00:11:09 2016. Does that mean that having posters by Picasso, Mondrian, and Lichtenstein hanging on my wall is the same as having the actual paintings?Some people collect paper ephemera. To them copies are not the same thing. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun May 8 00:15:01 2016, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by merrick1 on Sat May 7 11:05:49 2016. You think I don't know that? Are you not aware of my extensive collection?That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the ability to see and study and appreciate the map. You don't need an original copy to do that. If the people in this thread really only just wanted to have a copy so they could say they have an original copy of the map, then thry would be throwing out offers of large sums of money, which is what it would take to get an original copy of this apparently rare map. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jan 28 12:04:06 2017, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map, posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Apr 24 23:04:09 2016. Here you are. Granted it took me nine months to do it, but it's done.1995 Express Bus Map (PDF) |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 28 12:20:24 2017, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jan 28 12:04:06 2017. Wow, thanks!Ah, the memories. The crazy BM3 routing in Brooklyn. No Staten Island to NJ services. The Q53 labeled an express. And more! |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Jan 28 13:42:15 2017, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jan 28 12:04:06 2017. Thanks for posting! |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jan 28 16:29:55 2017, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jan 28 12:04:06 2017. Thank you. That BW4 is crazy... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 28 17:47:34 2017, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jan 28 12:04:06 2017. Whoa, Command went to NJ (BMJ1 & 2) for Harness Racing. ~coolness~. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jan 28 19:43:21 2017, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 28 17:47:34 2017. It's a bit crazy. Maybe there were stockpiles of money everywhere in the mid 90s? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 28 20:29:18 2017, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jan 28 19:43:21 2017. The B100 ran only hourly on Sundays at this time. I think money was just "differently" used, though it probably was a little easier to come by too. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jan 30 07:10:50 2017, in response to 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jan 28 12:04:06 2017. Command Bus had a Westchester/Brooklyn express bus via Queens?? Wow. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Jan 30 09:53:24 2017, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jan 30 07:10:50 2017. This was a racetrack special from Brooklyn to Yonkers Raceway. Command (and Jamaica Buses) ran racetrack specials to Yonkers Raceway, Aquadect Racetrack in Queens and Roosevelt Raceway in Nassau |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 30 16:34:03 2017, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by northshore on Mon Jan 30 09:53:24 2017. Horse racing used to be much more popular than it is now. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Jan 30 21:55:09 2017, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 30 16:34:03 2017. Yes, first OTB and then Atlantic City did them in |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 30 22:24:16 2017, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by northshore on Mon Jan 30 21:55:09 2017. But now OTB has shut down and few people care. It seems that OTB itself was eclipsed by Atlantic City, by a proliferation of lottery games and finally by racinos, which of course were only designed to give the tracks a new purpose and have the state take business back from AC.Another sport that's declined in popularity is boxing. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Jan 31 17:34:50 2017, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 30 22:24:16 2017. I take my grandmother every so often to Aqueduct (leave the woman in front of a slot machine for a few hours and she's as happy as a pig in slop).Last time we were there when the horses were actually running* I wandered over to the other side of the building to bet on a race and it was actually fairly crowded. Without OTB, it seems some of these guys have actually returned to the tracks. *weirdly it was during a snow storm. I still have the video of the horse losing badly on my old phone. Mayor Wilhelm's backers through a high holy fit over horses pulling a carriage on a nice day, but racing in snow, that's fine.... |
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Posted by northshore on Tue Jan 31 19:10:12 2017, in response to Re: 1995 NYC DOT Express map - PDF Link, posted by The Silence on Tue Jan 31 17:34:50 2017. Matbe the IND Aqueduct Special will return :) |
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