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Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Nov 25 08:09:19 2015, in response to Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 25 03:09:39 2015. The area just North of the LIE passing the hospital is too narrow for this. Dropped someone at the hospital yesterday and got to see it. Another square peg in the round hole. Bus lanes, bike lanes, and other changes to the roads have a place, and can be very useful, just not everywhere. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Nov 25 10:22:56 2015, in response to Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 25 03:09:39 2015. Should be interesting to see what hours (if not 24/7) the bus lanes are enforced.The schedule (to start on Sunday) is online now, and like the current local schedule it leaves out the QM1 - 8 transfers at Union Tpke but includes the BxM6 transfer in the Bronx. Go figure. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Nov 25 10:59:59 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Nov 25 10:22:56 2015. Some of Main St. this might be ok, but near the hospital, where the bus lane is running adjacent to the parking lane, I anticipate problems. Good luck with enforcement of fare collection at the HS stop. Cars waiting to get a spot, cars parking, and vehicles waiting to turn into the entrance to the hospital (it often backs up, you can't rush people entering or leaving a hospital) will be problematic. Other than the delusional folks at the MTA and the DOT knows the police will not be heavy handed against the elderly and infirm around the hospital. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 25 13:36:25 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by pragmatist on Wed Nov 25 08:09:19 2015. The area just North of the LIE passing the hospital is too narrow for this.The problem is the LIE. It was possible to cross Horace Harding Blv at Lawrence, 136th, 138th, 146th, 148th, 150th and 153rd Streets between College Pt Blv (nee Rodman St) and Kissena Blv in addition to Main St, before the LIE was built. Two of these cross streets, 136th and 148th had traffic lights. The LIE channeled all cross traffic onto 3 streets: College Pt Blv; Main St and Kissena Blv. Nobody, except the LIE planners, should be surprised that these 3 crossings cannot handle the traffic as effortlessly as 10 crossings did before. The solution is to restore the missing crossings, not to widen Main St. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 25 14:23:18 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 25 13:36:25 2015. The problem is DOT for not correctly analyzing the traffic conditions or for not caring about auto congestion since they belueve slowing down traffic is always a good thing. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 25 14:25:17 2015, in response to Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 25 03:09:39 2015. No, there are plenty of outstanding issues on oter routes which DOT is conveniently ignoring. Their primary Interest is expanding the program quickly because of pressure from the mayor. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Nov 25 15:24:52 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 25 13:36:25 2015. The truth is, we will see neither. Also, North-South traffic on both Main and Kissena has grown tremendously over time. I never suggested that Main be made wider, just that it is a poor location for a bus lane because it is not wide enough to lose a traffic lane. The other crossings would only be marginally useful because the cemetery and the college pretty much restrict through traffic to Kissena or Main. Parsons would have been a good North South crossing, but it doesn't go through Kissena Park, limiting its value. None of this is out character for Moses era highway projects. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Nov 25 15:26:01 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 25 14:25:17 2015. Like certain bike lanes that no one uses ? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 25 17:09:49 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by pragmatist on Wed Nov 25 15:26:01 2015. I was talking about bus SBS not bike lanes. That is another issue. They recently inconvenienced thousands of motorists to help a few hundred bike riders by reducing the service roads on Queens Blvd to one lane just west of the BQE to install one bike lane. Heaven forbid if bike riders had to walk their bike for a few feet under the LIRR and the bike lane be installed in the wide median instead between the main and service roads instead of causing a bottleneck by removing a lane of traffic and forcing a new merge. |
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UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes |
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Posted by gbs on Thu Nov 26 02:17:40 2015, in response to Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by gbs on Wed Nov 25 03:09:39 2015. Two signs were installed this morning on the traffic light outside the Flushing library opposite 41 Road:1) "Bus Lane -- Buses Only -- 7AM-7PM" with a down arrow, installed overhead on the traffic light arm over the north-bound bus lane 2) "Bus Lanes -- Photo Enforced" with a picture of a camera, installed on the traffic light pole Presumably this will be the restriction along the entire SBS route. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 26 11:55:39 2015, in response to UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by gbs on Thu Nov 26 02:17:40 2015. Nothing about Right Turns being allowed? That has already caused confusion along Woodhaven Bjvd and caused that SUV to cut off that Resorts bus which crashed into a building. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Nov 26 20:43:04 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 26 11:55:39 2015. Dude, if there are right turns, then you have to turn right from the right hand lane. You don't need signs to tell you that. Anyone who would assume otherwise is a terrible driver. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Nov 26 21:50:20 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Nov 26 20:43:04 2015. There have been problems with photo enforced bus lanes regarding "making the next right" and whether that meant next corner, or whether a driveway counted. It was a major issue on Staten Island. It also requires cutting in front of a bike lane in some places, where the pavement markings don't make it so clear. |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Nov 27 02:20:29 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 26 11:55:39 2015. From what I've noticed at Bus Only lanes in Manhattan, like on Third Av, the overhead signs say "Buses Only" at corners where right turns are impossible (because the one-way traffic is going the wrong way) and they say "Buses and Right Turns Only" at those corners where right turns are possible. Ahead of those corners, the solid line separating the bus lane becomes a dashed line, indicating that cars turning right can enter the bus lane there to turn right at the corner.At the Flushing location I observed near the library, there is no street to turn right onto, so the sign says only "Buses Only". I'm guessing that at other locations where right turns are possible, the overhead signs will say "Buses and Right Turns Only" along with the dashed lane marking. Also noticed today are several new "No Left Turn" restrictions, to prevent a car waiting to turn left from blocking the only available traffic lane. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 27 06:59:30 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by gbs on Fri Nov 27 02:20:29 2015. At the Flushing location I observed near the library, there is no street to turn right onto, so the sign says only "Buses Only". I'm guessing that at other locations where right turns are possible, the overhead signs will say "Buses and Right Turns Only" along with the dashed lane marking.Vehicles proceeding north on Main St can turn right onto 41st Ave. There is no right turn sign on Kissena Blv onto 41st Ave and has been for some time. This permits pedestrians to cross 41st (on the east side of Kissena) during the Kissena green cycle without cars crossing into their path. There are usually more pedestrians at this intersection than can cross during a single walk cycle. They will frequently spill into Main St's green cycle. This action will interfere with cars trying to turn onto 41st Ave and back them up. I have not checked out these signs. I won't be able to do that until this evening. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 27 07:57:08 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 27 06:59:30 2015. Ok, I was thinking of the QBH branch library just North of the LIE, not the Flushing branch. That area you just described (approaching downtown Flushing) is extremely congested both with vehicular and pedestrian traffic. I avoid it whenever possible. Unless I'm taking a 17 or 25/34 to the 7 train I won't go near there. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 27 10:22:27 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 25 14:23:18 2015. DOT for not correctly analyzing the traffic conditions or for not caring about auto congestion since they belueve [believe] slowing down traffic is always a good thing.Vehicle speed has very little effect on congestion. Congestion occurs when garbage in exceeds garbage out. One might mistakenly believe that vehicles traveling faster would result in more vehicles per hour passing a particular point. One must also account for the distance between vehicles, when calculating vehicles per hour. Today's safe practice is to keep 3 seconds between cars. This replaces the rule of 1 car length for every 10 mph that was taught, when I got my drivers license. Let's assume cars are 15 feet long. At 25 mph the 3 second distance between cars should be 111 ft vs. 166 ft for 35 mph. Add the car length and these figures become 126 and 181 feet respectively. The travel time to traverse these distances the respective speeds are 3.38 and 3.48 seconds per vehicle. The inverse with units changed become 1066 and 1034 vehicles per hour. Slowing down vehicular speeds actually results in marginally greater lane capacity. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 27 10:27:28 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by gbs on Fri Nov 27 02:20:29 2015. Can someone confirm that for the cameras they only take video of you driving through an intersection from the bus lane? How else can they function automatically, because you do have permission to enter the bus lane for pickup/dropoff, and to align for parking.I assume any video evidence that gets you a ticket shows you crossing intersections with the bus lane. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 27 11:04:49 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 27 07:57:08 2015. I was thinking of the QBH branch library just North of the LIE, not the Flushing branch.A right turn from Main St is permitted onto 60th Ave, which is where the QBH branch is located. It used to be easier, when 142nd St extended all the way to Main St. The first QBH branch renovation expanded the library into what was a short block of 142nd St. The Palace Diner completed hiding it. There's an inherent conflict with a curb bus stop before a street that permits right turns. This could be resolved by having a bus only signal to permit the bus to leave the bus stop. The bus only signal would be activated by a transponder on the bus. I don't know whether that's part of the traffic signal changes that will be made. They won't start the traffic signal changes until 2016-2017. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 27 13:48:38 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 27 11:04:49 2015. Funny how things change, I remember when the Bohack became the diner, now its an Asian restaurant. But the bus only signal would be a good idea. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 27 16:26:50 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 27 11:04:49 2015. On West 86 St. in Manhattan, there's an M86SBS stop eastbound at the near corner of CPW. It's also a bus-only lane. There is no sign that says Right Turn OK. There's also no sign that says No Right Turn. Yet the next lane to the left has a painted arrow in the asphalt pointing straight-ahead only (into the Central Park transverse). So the only lane from which a right-turn could be made is the bus lane. I assume it's okay to make that turn -- in fact, it's done all day. But it's a very strange set-up. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 27 16:28:26 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 27 10:27:28 2015. It must be similar to red light cameras where they take your pic crossing the intersection, not waiting for the light to change. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 27 16:30:31 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 27 10:22:27 2015. That's a nice theory, but in real life (in NYC) no one allows a 3-second or 3 car-length interval from the previous car. Everyone is tailgating. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 27 21:18:55 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 27 16:30:31 2015. Everyone is tailgating.All the more reason to strictly enforce the 25 mph speed limit. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 27 21:46:26 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 27 21:18:55 2015. Sadly, NYC has not been aggressive at enforcing any of the moving traffic (including bicycles) or pedestrian regulations. For a few weeks after an accident, local truck routes might be enforced, but it is never sustained. Now, any ratcheting up of any type of enforcement is seen as heavy handed. All they ever worked hard at was parking tickets, they are mostly faceless, you will rarely see a parking ticket written on an occupied vehicle (like double parking or blocking a bike lane). |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Nov 27 22:15:47 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 27 21:46:26 2015. It still boggles my mind that it's universally accept here that stop signs are meaningless. I almost got hit list week crossing Colin Place at McDonald Avenue. This should not be OK. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Nov 28 10:31:24 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Nov 27 22:15:47 2015. Same with pedestrian crossings. A pedestrian at a pedestrian crossing technically should never have to wait for traffic to clear. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 10:42:42 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by pragmatist on Fri Nov 27 21:46:26 2015. I have seen double parking tickets written by police cars that stop in front of the car preventing it from leaving in order so a ticket to be written. I remember when before a ticket was written the police would actually search for te owner in nearby stores before writing a ticket. The emphasis is only on revenue, not keeping traffic moving. If someone double parking is delaying traffic, the prudent thing would be to first ask the driver to move in order to keep traffic flowing, not to block an additional lane for three minutes so a summons can be written.Anyway someone stopping to double park to let a passenger off is no big deal. What ties up traffic are trucks double parking for three hours to unload the entire truck. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 10:45:39 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by pragmatist on Thu Nov 26 21:50:20 2015. On Woodhaven and Yellwstone, you have only 20 feet to enter the bus ane to turn right because that is where the lane raking goes from solid to broken. As anyone can tell you even with moderate traffic, 20 feet is not enough notice. They have created a dangerous situation. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat Nov 28 13:27:01 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Nov 28 10:31:24 2015. Too few people realize that motor vehicles infringe on the right of people to walk about; instead many mistakenly believe that "might makes right" and that pedestrians must wait and not impede the more important motorists. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 28 13:46:14 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by BusMgr on Sat Nov 28 13:27:01 2015. To use a bad pun, it is a 2 way street. Motorists often fail to yield to pedestrians when they have the right of way, particularly when turning, and pedestrians fail to cross when and where they should, often against signals and not in the crosswalks. Neither is correct (or legal) behavior. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 14:19:21 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 28 13:46:14 2015. Too often pedestrian and cycling advocates see only their side of the picture. A cyclist councilman is trying to get the law changed so cylists will legally not be required to stop on red lights but can treat it as a stop sign. They also want cyclists to be ale to treat a stop sign as a yield sign. Pedestrian advocates also believe it s not necessary for them to wear reflective clothing at night to make it easier for motorists to be able to see them. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 28 14:31:43 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 14:19:21 2015. The current generation of drivers and pedestrians both think it is ok to drive or walk with their heads up their asses. On the phone, listening to music on headphones, texting, anything but paying attention to what is going on around them. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 28 16:32:23 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 14:19:21 2015. I can’t see why it should be necessary for pedestrians to have to spend money on special reflective clothing if they don’t already have it. As a motorist also, however, I do think that especially at night, pedestrians should make sure they cross the street only with the light and at crosswalks unless they are absolutely sure there is no traffic coming. I also firmly believe that cyclists should obey every single traffic law that applies to motor vehicles which if I recall, is required in Europe where bicycles are more numerous than in the US. I also recall that the last time I was in England and Ireland, bicycles did not have any special bike lanes but had to mingle in with the rest of the traffic. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Nov 28 17:31:48 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Nov 26 20:43:04 2015. Considering the high fine of "driving in the bus lane" and the photo enforcement, versus a lower fine and no photo enforcement for making a right turn from not the right lane, simple economics says it is wiser to turn from the rightmost non-traffic lane. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Nov 28 17:32:13 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Nov 28 17:31:48 2015. Rightmost non-bus lane** |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 28 17:49:48 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Nov 28 17:32:13 2015. Of course, the photo ticket would not have points against your license, photo tickets go to the owner or lessee, where in the extremely rare case of getting a ticket for an improper turn, that would be a "mover" |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 18:38:29 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 28 16:32:23 2015. No one is saying pedestrians need to cross the street wearing reflective vests. I can't tell you how many pedestrians I was able to see at night in the rain or fog only because of a reflective stripe on their sneakers or on a jacket. To any people believe they can always be seen by all drivers all the time. It never hurts to take a little extra precautions. It s just dumb to leave the house at night wearing all black when you know you will be crossing the street and most likely will be jaywalking. The only time that wouldn't apply is when the ground is covered in snow. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Nov 28 18:42:37 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 28 16:32:23 2015. I also recall that the last time I was in England and Ireland, bicycles did not have any special bike lanes but had to mingle in with the rest of the traffic.Here's a link to a list of contemporary bike lanes in London. I also firmly believe that cyclists should obey every single traffic law that applies to motor vehicles Be careful what you wish. There are several traffic laws that apply only to bicycles that would be removed under your wish. One applies to placement on the roadway. Another applies to the requirement to move right (even if one were already in the right lane) to allow a vehicle to pass. Under your scenario, cyclists should ride down the center of a lane and remain there. Faster vehicles should pass in another lane. which if I recall, is required in Europe where bicycles are more numerous than in the US. Actually, Paris enacted a law that permits cyclists to go through red lights under certain circumstances. One is at a T-intersection with the side road on the left. Cyclists going straight may go through the red light provided there is no obstacle in their way. The second is a right turn on red, which is prohibited in France. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 28 18:48:01 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 18:38:29 2015. I agree completely. Too many pedestrians are basically impossible to see in the dark or in bad weather. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 28 18:49:55 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Nov 28 18:42:37 2015. "I also firmly believe that cyclists should obey every single traffic law that applies to motor vehiclesBe careful what you wish. There are several traffic laws that apply only to bicycles that would be removed under your wish. One applies to placement on the roadway. Another applies to the requirement to move right (even if one were already in the right lane) to allow a vehicle to pass. Under your scenario, cyclists should ride down the center of a lane and remain there. Faster vehicles should pass in another lane." You misunderstand. They SHOULD obey every law that applies to motor vehicles. But there can also be more restrictive laws that apply only to bikes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 28 18:58:33 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 28 18:49:55 2015. Why then can’t there also be more permissive laws that apply onto bikes also? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 28 19:28:13 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 18:38:29 2015. I’m not talking about specialized safety vests, but even purchase of an extra pair of sneakers or a jacket with some sort of reflective tape involves an unnecessary expense especially since I don’t wear sneakers, only boots and occasionally shoes. However, I do have enough sense not to cross a major thoroughfare at night in the middle of the block against a traffic signal. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 28 19:30:09 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Nov 28 18:42:37 2015. Thanks for the update. It’s been 40 years since I was there. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 28 19:43:55 2015, in response to Re: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 28 18:58:33 2015. In theory, but I don't see any that make sense. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 21:47:12 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Nov 28 17:32:13 2015. Common sense says that is a recipe for an accident. A smart driver would NEVER do that. If it's unclear then you should ask for clarification. But I still can't imagine that a good driver would think that all the sudden the rules of the road have changed. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Nov 28 21:49:36 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by pragmatist on Sat Nov 28 17:49:48 2015. Indeed, an improper turn is a "real" violation. The upside is it can be argued or contested in an actual court.None of this affects me, but I do feel for drivers who are forced to endure the insanity of the extra traffic rules in NYC (bus lane and otherwise). The smartest approach is to spend as little time on local NYC roads as possible. Park & ride if going to NYC, or stay on highways if transiting through NYC. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Nov 28 21:55:46 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 21:47:12 2015. Of course it is more dangerous for your *car*, but that is irrelevant. It is safer for your wallet to make the illegal turn. The number of accidents caused by right turning from the second lane pales in comparison to the number of driving in the bus lane tickets.What I am trying to illustrate is that the law is backwards in this case. Either get rid of the photo enforcement so that context can be taken into consideration (by an actual cop issuing an actual ticket), or reduce the fine to something more reasonable than $115. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 22:00:31 2015, in response to Re: UPDATE: Main St traffic and the new Bus Only lanes, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Nov 28 21:55:46 2015. I assume they have already addressed the issue of the camera issuing improper tickets. |
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