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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 26 21:44:41 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:34:17 2015. How come few to none of these supposed supporters bother to post said compliments here or as comments on your blog? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue May 26 21:45:02 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by R30A on Tue May 26 19:17:45 2015. But you can't do that, because it leads you to the wrong conclusion. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 26 21:46:11 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:43:47 2015. What experts? What is he wrong about? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue May 26 21:47:24 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:51:13 2015. I specifically refuted two of your points, but then reading comprehension doesn't seem to be exactly your forte. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 26 21:47:27 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:49:39 2015. We've been posting specifics all along. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 26 21:47:52 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by fdtutf on Tue May 26 21:47:24 2015. Exactly. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 26 21:49:35 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:53:03 2015. Because it's standard practice. Also, there are service change documents on the MTA site. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue May 26 21:51:04 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:52:09 2015. Well, no. It simply means that if you increase service, that means additional costs that have to be covered somehow, and not from the bottomless pit of money that you think the MTA has but that the MTA actually does not have. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 26 21:51:58 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:54:34 2015. I didn't claim that. I found it funny that you think/know he was sincere. Where is there a fact being claimed there?Furthermore, I don't need to have been there to have an opinion on the matter. Your reputation is well known. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 26 23:43:12 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by fdtutf on Tue May 26 21:45:02 2015. But you can't do that, [comparing before/after ridership] because it leads you to the wrong conclusion.The usual practice is to define criteria for success and failure before an experiment is undertaken. I would assume that getting more bus riders might have been one criterion for concluding SBS was a success. Out of curiosity, what criteria would you use to conclude that SBS was a failure? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue May 26 23:56:00 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 26 23:43:12 2015. Sarcasm. It was sarcasm. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 27 07:22:16 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by fdtutf on Tue May 26 23:56:00 2015. Pwn3d |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 27 07:23:30 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 26 23:43:12 2015. You're out of your element Donnie. You don't have a frame of reference. BTW, how did your goose count go? |
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Posted by R30A on Wed May 27 07:58:02 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 27 07:23:30 2015. Goose is not the preferred nomenclature. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed May 27 08:14:40 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 27 07:23:30 2015. BTW, how did your goose count go?The Metrocard swipe adds about 1.3 seconds for every passenger boarding the front door. It takes about 2.2 seconds for passengers to board without swiping and 3.5 seconds with swiping. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 27 08:19:33 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed May 27 08:14:40 2015. Excellent. I await your fully fleshed out paper with tables, charts, illustrations, and citations. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 27 08:21:36 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by R30A on Wed May 27 07:58:02 2015. R30A, these aren't people who dress in their Sunday best to ride the bus. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed May 27 10:25:21 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed May 27 08:14:40 2015. So let's work this out. Let's say 15 people are boarding at a stop. With a typical local bus, it's 3.5 times 15, or 52.5 seconds.With a 3-door SBS, (POP system) it's 2.2 times 5 (if passengers divide equally among the three doors), or 11 seconds. With a hypothetical 3-door bus where you were expected to pay on entry but can swipe at any door, it's 3.5 times 5, or 17.5 seconds. (Assume that exiting passengers take the same amount of time regardless of type of bus.) Sounds like multi-door boarding is vastly more important in time-savings than having off-board fare payment (and is probably much cheaper). It's just a matter of arranging for enforcement. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed May 27 10:37:08 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed May 27 10:25:21 2015. Just to round it all out, off-board fare payment, 1-door boarding would be 2.2 times 15 or 33 seconds. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 27 15:41:51 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 26 17:35:38 2015. That is what I've found for now, I'm sure there is plenty more out there if I plug the right search term in to Google. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 27 20:36:50 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 27 15:41:51 2015. Nice. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jun 2 16:34:02 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 27 15:41:51 2015. What is your point? No one is denying the articles are opinions. Each one is clearly labeled as an opinion piece. They are not supposed to be news articles, but they are based on facts upon which the opinion is derived. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Jun 2 16:46:38 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jun 2 16:34:02 2015. but they are based on facts upon which the opinion is derived.They're not based on facts. That's his point (I think; he can speak for himself). |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jun 2 22:23:18 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jun 2 16:34:02 2015. but they are based on facts upon which the opinion is derived.As fdtutf correctly noted, your "facts" are often not really facts. And even when you do manage to scrounge up some real facts, you misinterpret them such that your opinion pieces are not based on facts. Understand? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 3 16:51:08 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jun 2 22:23:18 2015. More absurd generalities and accusations without any specifics, so your comment is meaningless without examples or PROFF. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jun 3 19:52:30 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 3 16:51:08 2015. No, I posted specifics of what you do. I'll post links if you agree to admit that they show what I claim they show. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 3 21:42:27 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jun 2 16:34:02 2015. Your writing doesn't qualify as reported opinion either. I can't find the specific post, but I and others recall you saying you make no effort to fact-check your articles and your editor has a disclaimer that it is the responsibility of the columnists to do so. Even though I can't find the exact post, the fact that you would say such a thing stood out because it is a statement that any author who wants to be respected by his readers would never say. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Jun 4 12:37:37 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jun 3 21:42:27 2015. Yes, and coming from a former NYCT manager who said it's ok to illegally run STOP signs as long at the drivers are looking both ways. Perhaps, he should learn how to read the NYS VTL. |
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