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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 27 06:45:40 2015 This was posted on the wrong board, figured you guys might be more interested in dissecting this. Edited the links to clickable.Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Apr 26 05:58:14 2015 I'm surprised nobody posted this up yet: (NYCT weekday) (NYCT weekend) (MTA Bus weekday) (MTA bus weekend) As always, take these with a grain of salt, but here are some general observations: * Wow, the S93 has around 3,000 riders on a typical weekday (remember that for 2/3rds of the year, it didn't have midday/evening service). That midday service was definitely a big hit. Now only if they would just add that stop outside of CSI so that more people could take advantage of it. * Unsurprisingly, it seems that the S93 took some riders from both the S62 & S53. (A lot of people living around Targee Street now take the S93 to/from Brooklyn, because it's a lot faster than the S53. Not to mention it's a little bit closer for those on the north side of the SIE. * S89 ridership loss is either due to the construction on the Bayonne Bridge (buses have to detour from Walker Street back down to Forest Avenue to get on the MLK), or to riders shifting to the S44/59. I still maintain that there should be more frequent reverse-peak service, terminating at the SI Mall. * Looks like riders are switching from the S78 to the S79. * With the S55, it seems like the portion west of Tottenville High School is actually the busier portion of the route (of course, busier being relative). I notice a lot of students hop on the SIR now and take that down to Eltingville to catch the S59/79, rather than taking the S55/56 directly. Not sure what numbers were doing that before the S79 got limited-stop service. * Wonder what's up with the big increases in M35 ridership? * All of those new little shuttles serving "growing areas" get less ridership than the old B71, which definitely served a "growing area". * Wow, both B2 & B100 ridership increased. * Ridership in the Brewer corridor decreased, even with the expanded limited-stop service. * Nice to see ridership increasing on the Q103 (though still, ridership is comparable to the old B71. Just sayin'....) * The 3rd/Webster corridor seems to be increasing in ridership nicely since the addition of the Bx41 +SBS+ (and Bx15/55 terminal swap). * I notice Bx16 weekend ridership is much higher compared to Bx34 weekend ridership (whereas before the Bx34 had the weekend service cut, ridership was about equal). I wonder if it's a glitch, or if ridership in that corridor really did increase. * S79 weekend ridership is missing. Logically, I think it took some ridership from the S78 (for a second, I thought it was the S76 that was taking back some riders in the Park Hill area) * Q76/77 weekend ridership seems to be pretty good. * In general, Bronx & Staten Island ridership seems to be up, while Manhattan ridership seems to be decreasing. Probably a good portion has to do with BusTime: If people decide to walk or take the subway, rather than waiting for a bus that they know is running late, that's not necessarily a bad thing, though. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 27 15:01:09 2015, in response to 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 27 06:45:40 2015. Interesting across-the-board decline in express bus ridership. Wonder why. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Apr 27 15:28:31 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 27 15:01:09 2015. I think the express bus fare is too high for the value it provides outside of Staten Island. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 27 16:09:51 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by JAzumah on Mon Apr 27 15:28:31 2015. It's too low for the subsidy it is given compared to local bus and subway. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Apr 27 17:13:12 2015, in response to 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 27 06:45:40 2015. The M35 increase might be because of music festivals on the island. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 27 17:33:34 2015, in response to 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 27 06:45:40 2015. Interesting that the B44 Local and SBS is down more than twice the borough average. I thought at least the B49 would have increased, but that went down twice the amount of the B44. So much for exclusive bus lanes attracting riders.I wonder how much longer they will delay the B44 first year assessment and how they will try to spin the numbers to show success. They won't be able to use the ridership angle. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Apr 27 17:55:07 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 27 16:09:51 2015. I agree. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Apr 27 18:08:09 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 27 16:09:51 2015. They are past the point of maximizing revenue. They would actually lower their losses by cutting fares at this point. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Apr 27 19:22:09 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by JAzumah on Mon Apr 27 18:08:09 2015. No they wouldn't. They need to raise fares. If ridership drops, cut service. (Although today's service is ridiculously high for the ridership of today anyway, so the service should be cut even if ridership doesn't drop.) |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Apr 27 22:21:31 2015, in response to 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 27 06:45:40 2015. Manhattan ridership seems to be decreasing. Probably a good portion has to do with BusTime: If people decide to walk or take the subway, rather than waiting for a bus that they know is running late, that's not necessarily a bad thing, thoughCitiBike at work. Citibike averaged 22,000 trips per day in 2014. Bus use in Manhattan is down 29,000 or 6.1%. Most other boroughs are down 1.5%. Manhattan would have been down 7000 per day at 1.5% decrease. That leaves 22,000 additional daily trips not taken in Manhattan. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 27 23:00:33 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Apr 27 22:21:31 2015. That's certainly a likely explanation. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 28 07:35:13 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by R30A on Mon Apr 27 19:22:09 2015. Yes yes yes!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 28 07:35:30 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by JAzumah on Mon Apr 27 18:08:09 2015. Nope. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 28 09:59:20 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Apr 27 22:21:31 2015. I assume this means that CitiBike's current coverage in Brooklyn is inadequate to affect bus ridership? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Apr 28 11:27:03 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 28 09:59:20 2015. Couple of thoughts to throw out there: How much of the decrease on some routes converted to SBS is due to lower a percentage of passengers paying versus riding. In Queens, where the 25 & 34 are covering the same route until downtown Flushing, is there anyway to break out ridership that originates between the different endpoints and Flushing and doubling the number to get an approximate usage of the different spurs. When I see the buses on Kissena or Parsons they seem very heavily loaded, the combined numbers are huge. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 28 11:47:05 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by pragmatist on Tue Apr 28 11:27:03 2015. I don't understand. Are you saying that SBS has resulted in an increase of fare evasion? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Apr 28 11:54:30 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 28 11:47:05 2015. No, I am saying that is a possibility that could be explored. I have no data to support the theory, only anecdotal evidence. At this point, an unsupported hypothesis, but not out of the realm of possibility. If MTA numbers are based on fares paid, and less people pay their fares, MTA ridership numbers would be lower, even if the actual number of riders was the same. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 28 12:39:53 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 28 09:59:20 2015. I assume this means that CitiBike's current coverage in Brooklyn is inadequate to affect bus ridership?It's a reasonable assumption. CitiBike's utility lies in its station density and the availability of bike facilities. Brooklyn's current CitiBike installations are less attractive than those in Manhattan. The Brooklyn locations where there is density and and facilities are not heavy bus passenger generators. |
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Posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Tue Apr 28 14:18:25 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Apr 27 17:13:12 2015. The M96 was missing on the NYCT - Weekend list. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri May 1 05:51:01 2015, in response to 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 27 06:45:40 2015. Wow, I just realized I forgot to mention: The reason for the additional weekend ridership on most of the SI routes probably has a lot to do with the increased ferry service. (Also, I just realized: Why is the S62 ridership missing?) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 2 14:34:30 2015, in response to 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 27 06:45:40 2015. What is the link for this info on MTA.info. I used to get it by doing a search for ridership statistics. Now all that does is bring up 2011 press releases. I gave up after Page 3.Is there a way to find it without doing a search? |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat May 2 17:44:46 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 2 14:34:30 2015. Without searching there might be a way to get there without as many clicks, but this worked:
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 2 21:16:00 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat May 2 17:44:46 2015. Thanks . I was looking for five minutes and coudn't figure it out. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 08:37:11 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 2 21:16:00 2015. I'm not surprised you couldn't figure it out. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 08:37:28 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat May 2 17:44:46 2015. Exactly. That's how I would have done it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 3 09:48:24 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 08:37:28 2015. You have to go through a maze to figure that out which you could never figure out. I dare you to repeat those steps right now without peaking. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Sun May 3 10:05:28 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 3 09:48:24 2015. It doesn't make any difference if he can do it or not. The ONLY thing that matters to him is YOU couldn't do it. He's a stalker which is worse than being a troll.He will always find a reason to attack you. Expect it. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon May 4 08:30:48 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 3 09:48:24 2015. No you don't. It's a completely logical process. There can't be one-click direct links to all information!!!! You're unbelievable. Any normal person should be able to follow those steps. I've gone to that ridership section of the website many times. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon May 4 10:35:15 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 2 14:34:30 2015. I used to get it by doing a search for ridership statistics. Now all that does is bring up 2011 press releases.If you do a search from the MTA site for bus ridership it's the sixth result. I found it initially by Googling mta bus ridership by route, and it was the first result. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 12:41:31 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon May 4 10:35:15 2015. Yes it depends on what you search for. If you search "facts and figures" it comes up third, but the results are quite different if you search "ridership statistics".The point is that such information should be readily available on the MTA website without jumping through hoops or paying guessing games. To find out about Select Bus Service, you shoudn't have to look under "Getting There". If you look under "Special Reports" the most recent report is for 2011. Why shoudn't all the SBS reports be listed there. Yes, after months of using the site you become familar enough with it to find something's readily. But a site should also work for a first time user without difficulty. Many reports are only available under "Board Materials" and if you don't know the date the item was brought before the Board, you are out of luck. That is not what is meant by transparency. It is a poorly laid out site that needs much improvement. It really on,y works for maps, schedules, and trip planning. Even the bus schedules are poorly laid out. You should be able to click on the route number, not on the street name. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon May 4 21:29:31 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 12:41:31 2015. Dude, there is a ton of information available on the MTA website. I agree that it's not a piece of cake, but show me a similar public sector website that is? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon May 4 22:23:45 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 12:41:31 2015. Yes it depends on what you search for. If you search "facts and figures" it comes up third, but the results are quite different if you search "ridership statistics".Why would you search for "facts and figures" if you're looking for "ridership statistics"? Yes, after months of using the site you become familar enough with it to find something's readily...It really on,y works for maps, schedules, and trip planning. And most of the site's users want maps, schedules, and trip planning. Statistics and planning studies are usually only accessed by people who know where to find them already, or if they don't (like me), they come up readily in Google searches. Even the bus schedules are poorly laid out. You should be able to click on the route number, not on the street name. I think you're probably the only person who has found this to be a problem. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 5 07:21:39 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon May 4 22:23:45 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue May 5 18:11:51 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon May 4 22:23:45 2015. I find it mildly inconvenient that I can only click on the street name and not the route number. Maybe it's my browser, but the 2 columns are spaced far enough apart to be a bit confusing, if I want to click on a route. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 7 00:08:24 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon May 4 22:23:45 2015. I would search for "facts and figures" because I remember when the MTA published a hard copy book with that name and it turns out, that is the better search.Yes maps, schedules and trip planning are probably the most frequent reasons to use the site. That doesn't mean that finding everything else shoud be difficult. Statistics and panning studies are exceedingly difficult to find and cannot be found with Goolge searches. Much needed information is buried in staff summary sheets that can only be accessed by knowing the exact date the item was approved or discussed. Usually a Google search just leads you to a Press release, not the detailed info you may be seeking. Why is the newest report under Planning Studies from 2011? Wouldn't that be the logical place for SBS reports? If there is a public hearing coming up like for a new route, the description of the proposal is there. A day after the public hearing, all info about the proposal is removed from the website. There is no way to check the status of the proposal until a press release appears up to a year later announcing the new route. If you go to Service Changes, you have gone to the wrong place because it only refers to temporary changes, not future changes. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 08:47:38 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 7 00:08:24 2015. That doesn't mean that finding everything else shoud be difficult.And it's not. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 7 16:46:54 2015, in response to Re: 2014 Annual Ridership Stats, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 08:47:38 2015. Find me ths staff summary that justified the B67 extension. I will be timing you. |
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