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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 26 18:10:08 2015, in response to More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by "CityLabs", posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 26 17:45:54 2015. We all need to comment on this article on CityLab to let everyone know this guy is nuts. He actually states that one bus lane is not enough! He wants locals and expresses to each have a separate lane leaving only two lanes for cars and trucks including right and left turns.And all of a sudden Joan Byron is an expert. She is the same one who proposed BRT on the two lane Junction Blvd and other totally ridiculous routes like adding BRT to Linden Boulevard one block from Church Avenue and along the very narrow 39 Street in Brooklyn. Thanks for the link. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 26 18:21:35 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 26 18:10:08 2015. Brushing out most of the cars is the biggest, and also subliminal, fraud. I really get offended when someone tries to play with one's brain. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 26 18:29:09 2015, in response to More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by "CityLabs", posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 26 17:45:54 2015. Plus they change the angle so we don't see the near-side traffic signals, take away the no-U-turn sign as if to say now we can do whatever we want and make U-turns, and conveniently place a car on top of the southbound left-lane arrow that may say you can only go straight from that lane.And all of those pedestrians immediately showed up fast! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 26 18:57:29 2015, in response to More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by "CityLabs", posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 26 17:45:54 2015. Notice how in the "after" view, the con-artists not only made the general traffic lanes go from 4 to 3, they brushed out most of the cars.Notice how in the "after" view, there are cars added farther back (and a few more departing in the opposite direction), and there's plenty of space left over to accommodate the handful of remaining cars brushed out because they're in the same spot as the proposed median. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 26 19:25:18 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 26 18:57:29 2015. This stuff all needs to be pointed out in the Comments. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 26 19:38:46 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 26 18:21:35 2015. I was quoted at the end of this article. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Mar 26 20:12:37 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 26 19:38:46 2015. LOL! Only 33%???? What's the problem?? And I'm sure you have rigorous analysis to back up the rest of that quote? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 27 01:07:50 2015, in response to More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by "CityLabs", posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 26 17:45:54 2015. Also at the Community Advisory Committee meeting on Thursday, groups opposed to the plan were told only one representative could attend, but Riders Alliance who supports BRT (most of whom live outside the "community") were allowed to bring five representatives. When the opponents asked why they were only allowed one representive and Rider's Alliance were allowed five, the response was they didn't listen. Who are they kidding? Riders Alliance was instructed to bring as many representives as they could to stack the deck.When asked again for traffic data, which had been requested a year ago, the response was "We can get you that." |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Mar 27 01:55:48 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 27 01:07:50 2015. For whatever it's worth, the comments on NYC DOT's Facebook post are largely negative. There's nothing stopping affected residents from complaining to their elected officials. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 27 09:12:42 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Mar 27 01:55:48 2015. That is great news. If the elected officials see this, maybe it can be stopped. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 27 12:05:24 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 27 09:12:42 2015. What do you mean "if"? If you want them to see, then you should personally make sure they see it!!! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Mar 27 12:07:58 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 27 09:12:42 2015. That is great news. If the elected officials see this, maybe it can be stopped."Boo hoo cars only get six lanes" probably won't stop anything. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 27 12:08:01 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 27 01:07:50 2015. You attended the Community Advisory Committee meeting on Thursday, or you are receiving all this info secondhand (or worse)?Who are they kidding? Riders Alliance was instructed to bring as many representives as they could to stack the deck.There you go again with the paranoia/conspiracy theories. Of course that doesn't mean what Rider's Alliance did was correct or that DOT should have allowed them to remain in the room. Only one rep from that group should have been allowed to remain in the room. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 27 12:10:56 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Mar 27 12:07:58 2015. "Jay Izz - They're just pushing for the people of the city to use more public transportation cause it brings revenue to this city..."There's a real gem. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 27 12:11:50 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 27 12:08:01 2015. There's more conspiracy than you think. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 27 12:40:19 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 27 12:11:50 2015. I don't think there's any conspiracy.Answer my question. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 27 21:23:50 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 27 12:40:19 2015. I did not attend the meeting. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Mar 30 13:49:00 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 27 21:23:50 2015. Thank you. So why didn't you say that in the beginning in the interest of full transparency? And why don't you list your source(s)? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 30 18:23:54 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Mar 30 13:49:00 2015. You wouldn't know who my sources anyway. And why would you even assume I attended? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Mar 30 18:29:20 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 30 18:23:54 2015. Where did I say what I assumed? What does it matter that I wouldn't know them? Does that stop everyone else from listing sources in their news reports?? |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Mar 31 00:14:05 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Mar 30 18:29:20 2015. The turdpin turnbuckle at it again. Stick and move... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 31 00:53:55 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by TheHat on Tue Mar 31 00:14:05 2015. Being a asshole,but it thinks its debating. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Mar 31 07:26:59 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by TheHat on Tue Mar 31 00:14:05 2015. LOL who pissed on your stairs this morning? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 31 17:15:41 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Mar 30 18:29:20 2015. Newspapers are not required to divulge sources and often do not. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 1 08:46:59 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 31 17:15:41 2015. They SAY that they got it from an unnamed official at X organization. You DID NOT DO THAT. As I said. So list your sources and stop being lazy. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 1 16:20:40 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 1 08:46:59 2015. I got the info from an unamed official from the Queens Public Transit Committee. Does that make you happy or do you have something else you would like to complain about? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Apr 1 18:41:38 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 1 16:20:40 2015. That's what you should have said from the beginning. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 2 23:43:20 2015, in response to More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by "CityLabs", posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 26 17:45:54 2015. The Wavehttp://www.rockawave.com/news/2015-04-03/Top_Stories/Transportation_Debate.html 2015-04-03 / Top Stories Transportation Officials Weigh Best Public Transportation Option By Harry Kane Proponents of the Select Bus Service say its the best option for quicker travel to Manhattan.Rockaway commuters have long yearned for an upgrade to their transit system, calling for easy access into Manhattan and other boroughs with the hopes of revitalizing the area by attracting new homeowners and businesses to invest in the community. Several solutions have been proposed to add to the much-needed public transportation infrastructure. Some say it?s best to restore the former Long Island Rail Road Rockaway Beach Branch, which connected passengers from the Rockaway Peninsula across Jamaica Bay and through Broad Channel, running north into Rego Park. But the proposals for the return of the LIRR along the abandoned rail bed have been derailed due to opposition from other communities along the tracks who feel that a train passing through residential neighborhoods would create too much noise. In an effort to overhaul the current transit service onto the Rockaway Peninsula, the city has unveiled a new design concept for a bus that can provide faster commutes to and from Rockaway. The solution that has been proposed, however, may only be a piece of the needed transit infrastructure required to enable redevelopment critical to economic growth. The Select Bus Service - NYC's new, innovative bus service, aimed at reducing travel time and increasing customer comfort - was unveiled by The New York City Department of Transportation on March 24. If the money needed to revamp the bus service is allocated, SBS would run on the same line as the existing Q52/53 route, and would provide faster and reliable service for commuters. NYC Commissioner Polly Trottenberg laid out the plan, which is expected to cost $200 million. Originally, at a city council hearing, Trottenberg said that on average, it costs $10 million for SBS, but she was not counting the cost of equipment and other items. In total, $28 million was the original figure proposed to add SBS along Woodhaven Boulevard. But somewhere along the line the estimate jumped from $28 million to $200 million for the SBS project. Allan Rosen, who is a retired Director of NYC Transit Bus Planning, and had worked at the MTA for some 25 years, explained that previous SBS projects have been scaled down versions of full Bus Rapid Transit (BRT), which is prevalent in areas outside New York that have wider streets. DOT wants to attempt a full BRT project along Woodhaven Boulevard, and has therefore upped their rough estimate to $200 million. The amount of federal funding will determine how much of the BRT features will be incorporated, Rosen said. The new plan would dedicate a travel lane, physically separated for buses along Woodhaven Boulevard, from the Rockaways to Elmhurst or Woodside depending on the bus line, and create a "bigger and bolder" bus line, according to DOT. The bus service would save the estimated 30,000 riders, who use the bus on a daily basis, anywhere from 25 to 35 percent in reduced travel time over the 14 mile commute, says the Department of Transportation. "It'll make things slightly better for bus passengers," admitted Rosen. "It'll take ten minutes off an hour and a half trip, which is not really going to be that noticeable. If they only have two lanes over the Long Island Railroad overpass, it'll just bring Woodhaven to a complete standstill and force drivers onto the Van Wyck Expressway and onto the Jackie Robinson Parkway and onto the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway." Rosen doesn't foresee much improvement in bus running times during the off-peak hours. From 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. traffic moves just fine, he says. "You can do 30-35 miles per hour. To say that the buses are going to save time during the midday or weekends" that's absolute nonsense. They will save time during rush hours, maybe 15 minutes. I don't think it will be anymore than that, once you factor in the increased walking distance to get to the SBS stops." "Travel by car will suffer," he continued. There would be delays of 15 to 30 minutes. According to Rosen, when traffic concerns were raised at meetings, DOT representatives promised they would maintain three traffic lanes for general traffic throughout the corridor. The latest proposal released on March 24 guarantees only two lanes over the Long Island Railroad overpass and two lanes under the Long Island Railroad, just south of the Long Island Expressway. "That's going to cause significant bottlenecks," he said. "That'll back up the entire Woodhaven Boulevard. It is just not going to move at all." Traffic delays can also affect response time for police, fire and other EMS vehicles. While proponents for the new and improved bus service, which may commence in 2017, say it will be beneficial for bus riders, others say it's still not enough, and that there's a need for the return of the long disputed Rockaway Beach Line (RBL), which many commuters feel is a superior alternative to the bus. In a study conducted by Queens College, regarding possible ridership, were the RBL ever to be rebuilt, a report states that the train would generate 500,000 rides per day and that's just to start. And advocates for the RBL railroad say, if the train line were to be reactivated, the trip into midtown Manhattan would be roughly 43 minutes. The Rockaway Beach Branch Rail Line has been out of commission since 1950, following a fire on the Jamaica Bay Bridge. The northern portion of the LIRR line was later closed in 1962. The IND Rockaway Line or A train replaced the old RBL. And while there has been support in recent years for reactivation, there?s no real plan to get it underway. In fact, Rosen says, realistically once the federal government sinks a huge sum of money in one geographical area; they're not going to sink more money into another transportation system like the railroad. "Rail far surpasses buses, and people prefer rail," Rosen said. ?Rail stimulates economic development, buses do not because they are more temporary in nature. As far as bus rapid transit simulating economic development "I don't see it at all." A possible plan to turn the abandoned railroad into a park, destroying the hopes of the RBL forever, is underway. The QueensWay project would be similar to Manhattan's High Line-style park that runs along Chelsea's unused rail corridor. In December of 2014, The Regional Economic Development Councilawarded $443,750 to the QueensWay project. If the Select Bus Service were activated along Woodside Boulevard, chances are the 47-acre park would likely replace the abandoned railroad, according to Rosen. As previously reported by The Wave, Assemblyman Philip Goldfeder has often advocated for the restoration of the old rail line. "Elected officials, union leaders, and community members from every part of the borough and as far as Manhattan have expressed full support for the complete restoration of the Rockaway Beach Rail Line and increased transit options," Goldfeder said. "It's clear that reactivating the Rockaway Beach Rail Line is the best and most cost-effective way to expand transit in Queens while easing commutes, creating jobs, cleaning the environment and expanding our economic development," Goldfeder added. "I will continue to fight until this becomes a reality and our families in Queens have the transportation options they need and deserve." Philip McManus from the Queens Public Transit Committee said the reactivation would cost roughly $700 to $800 million to resurrect the 3.5- mile "forgotten spur" that travels over Jamaica Bay from the main line of the LIRR. "We're not totally against Select Bus Service or improvements of bus services," McManus said, "but when you totally disregard that there's a train track only 2-6 blocks away, that's politics, pure and simple." "For them to ignore the Rockaway Beach Line, it stinks at City Hall," McManus said. Return to top |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Apr 3 11:53:28 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 2 23:43:20 2015. The best and only part I read was the very end where it said "Return to top". Fascinating. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri Apr 3 16:08:04 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Apr 3 11:53:28 2015. +1 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Apr 3 16:48:11 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by fdtutf on Fri Apr 3 16:08:04 2015. Yeah, you two are a real pair! |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon Apr 6 00:09:37 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by fdtutf on Fri Apr 3 16:08:04 2015. Thanks. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon Apr 6 00:10:24 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Apr 3 16:48:11 2015. Yep. And at least we know how to copy and paste an article without including all the unrelated text elements! Get with the program! |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Apr 6 10:02:08 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon Apr 6 00:10:24 2015. And by "unrelated text elements" you actually mean "bullcarp," right? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Apr 6 15:10:32 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Apr 3 16:48:11 2015. Yeah, we're pretty cool. Thanks for recognizing that. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 6 16:16:53 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by fdtutf on Mon Apr 6 15:10:32 2015. Well you two are the only ones who belueve that. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Apr 6 18:41:43 2015, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 6 16:16:53 2015. How do you figure? |
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