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CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 12 18:27:46 2014 A 5 year contract has been awarded to New Flyer. |
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Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 12 18:29:15 2014, in response to CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 12 18:27:46 2014. The first two vehicles will be delivered October 2015. |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 12 18:31:07 2014, in response to CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 12 18:27:46 2014. Sorry for the multiple post but after the two buses arrive, there will be 18 more within the next 5 years, giving 20 buses total. |
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Posted by busway flyer on Fri Dec 12 21:16:49 2014, in response to CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 12 18:27:46 2014. YAY 20 Xcelsior artics for CDTA !!S.FL.T. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Dec 12 21:31:26 2014, in response to CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 12 18:27:46 2014. Color me shocked as that order was Nova's to lose. They'd better back window these, WMATA-style. |
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Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 12 21:35:21 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Dec 12 21:31:26 2014. We shall see! |
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Posted by daimler.buses on Fri Dec 12 22:35:31 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Dec 12 21:31:26 2014. New Flyer was the only manufacturer to bid on the procurement, Nova didn't even bother. |
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Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 13 02:53:40 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 12 18:31:07 2014. Damn.That's a long time between purchases. |
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Posted by busway flyer on Sat Dec 13 10:46:58 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Dec 12 21:31:26 2014. Better be back windows ?Bahahaa ROLF LMAO, they get what they spec'ed and or whatever the piggyback calls for (if any). S.FL.T. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 13 19:16:04 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by daimler.buses on Fri Dec 12 22:35:31 2014. LOL pwn3d |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Sat Dec 13 20:34:02 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 13 02:53:40 2014. I wonder if the first two artics are "test buses" to see if CDTA has the demand. Or, those future buses might be for a proposed BRT line. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Dec 13 21:26:51 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by ctrabs74 on Sat Dec 13 20:34:02 2014. I believe its both, the two will be used as a test on highly used routes the 1, 12, and 22. If it goes well then I think the rest will be ordered primarily for BRT as planned. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Dec 13 22:09:37 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 13 02:53:40 2014. Not so bad. They'll replace the last LFS's and keep the fleet fresh until the next non-artic contract goes out. Remember, CDTA wants to try to go 12 and out and the earliest the oldest Gilligs can be retired is 2019.I feel old now. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 13 22:33:54 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by BusRider on Sat Dec 13 21:26:51 2014. Since the Troy-Albany 22 trunk is highly utilized..and going to be changed to a BRT route from Waterford..why not put the XD60 there? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 13 22:42:28 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Dec 13 22:09:37 2014. You...?I remember the First Orion 6 models that came in...despising the 01 with a passion since they were EVERYWHERE at the time. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 14 21:53:27 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 13 22:33:54 2014. It is from what I understand, the 1, 12, and 22. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 14 21:54:38 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 13 22:42:28 2014. I remember 06 coming in as well, though I don't remember the two 05's. I just seen O1 630 out in the back again of Albany Division on Friday. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 14 21:55:12 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Dec 13 22:09:37 2014. It does seem kind of weird being the Gilligs are the newest to their fleet. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sun Dec 14 22:09:46 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 14 21:54:38 2014. I got one O5 ride on the 10 in early 2004. A shame they didn't get any more. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 14 22:18:29 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by BusRider on Sun Dec 14 21:54:38 2014. Use to see the O5 on the 1/55 all the time, even rode em.There was an old school operator on the 24 who LOVED the Orion Ones's.That the Only bus he Ever drove on his route... the SAME bus,everyday of his shift. |
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Posted by Lothian on Mon Dec 15 01:27:53 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by daimler.buses on Fri Dec 12 22:35:31 2014. From the CDTA Board minutes:"On October 6, 2014 staff received 1 proposal, even though there are two known manufacturers of articulated buses that meet all Buy America requirements. One manufacturer declined to participate in the industry standard “request for approved equals” process." Could be that the specs requested by CDTA were too specific or too different from standard Nova specs to make this a viable bid for them. |
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Posted by Lothian on Mon Dec 15 01:32:25 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Lothian on Mon Dec 15 01:27:53 2014. Actually, I just noticed there was more information:"The manufacturer who chose not to submit a proposal stated that the approved equal process would take too much time and they declined to participate in that process. Staff did encourage the manufacturer to participate in the process and made every effort to show flexibility in acceptance of different styles and parts to ensure full and open competition, but the manufacturer still declined to participate." |
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Posted by Railbus63 on Mon Dec 15 09:43:53 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Lothian on Mon Dec 15 01:27:53 2014. Probably not worth the effort for an order of only 20 buses. |
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Posted by daimler.buses on Mon Dec 15 12:54:36 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Railbus63 on Mon Dec 15 09:43:53 2014. Kind of a lousy reason. The approved equal process is a staple of transit bus procurement, whether it is 2 buses or 200. |
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Posted by Railbus63 on Mon Dec 15 13:20:37 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by daimler.buses on Mon Dec 15 12:54:36 2014. I was just speculating, of course. It does seem that Nova has plenty of business right now but you'd think they would want to do business in the state capital where they have their U.S. plant. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Dec 15 14:31:43 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Railbus63 on Mon Dec 15 13:20:37 2014. 4-5 buses a year for 5 years isn't a big deal if the opportunity to make money is minimal. CDTA make be in public service, but Nova isn't. |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Mon Dec 15 14:58:38 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Railbus63 on Mon Dec 15 09:43:53 2014. Ironically, Nova is apparently interested in the next ABQ RIDE order (which is tentatively for 25 40-foot CNG buses to replace the remaining Neoplans), since they sent an LFS CNG demo to Albuquerque for ABQ RIDE to test. However, they showed zero interest in the Valley Metro/City of Phoenix contract for over 300 40/60-foot diesel and CNG buses total.However, I did hear that CDTA did get a Nova LFS artic demo to test as well. If that is the case, I wonder if they will bid on ABQ RIDE's next contract (I expect at least New Flyer and Gillig to do so). |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Dec 15 20:04:43 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Lothian on Mon Dec 15 01:27:53 2014. Four seats in the bellows might have been a dealbreaker? |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Dec 15 20:35:54 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Dec 15 20:04:43 2014. What an interesting ride that would be! |
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Posted by busdude2 on Mon Dec 15 20:51:15 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by daimler.buses on Fri Dec 12 22:35:31 2014. I'm glad finally a builder told an agency to shove it ! All the frigging red tape BS that goes with it. So now they probably will pay more with no competition. |
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Posted by daimler.buses on Mon Dec 15 21:09:44 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by busdude2 on Mon Dec 15 20:51:15 2014. It's not red tape. these processes are there for a reason. In fact, the approved equal process is actually fairer since it provides a more level playing field to all parties. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Dec 15 23:47:58 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by pragmatist on Mon Dec 15 14:31:43 2014. Bottom line,Nova doesn't think it's worth the time or effort for such a small number spread out over five years. |
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Posted by Railbus63 on Tue Dec 16 09:49:21 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by daimler.buses on Mon Dec 15 21:09:44 2014. How does this work and what does the manufacturer have to provide? |
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Posted by oldman on Tue Dec 16 14:02:56 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Railbus63 on Tue Dec 16 09:49:21 2014. CDTA had to have fucked Nova on last bid,so now its pay back time |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Dec 16 17:07:26 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by oldman on Tue Dec 16 14:02:56 2014. As for future orders, I expect CDTA to continue buying 40-foot buses from Gillig. By the time the contract for artics with New Flyer expires, Nova could get a second chance. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Tue Dec 16 17:32:59 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Dec 16 17:07:26 2014. If they want another chance sounds like they don't care a bit. |
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Posted by northshore on Tue Dec 16 18:42:56 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Dec 16 17:07:26 2014. I heard from a reliable source familiar with Ref Rose Transit of Lancaster, PA that the only bidder on new buses is Gillig. Gillig is very pleased with the Gilligs that already have. |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Dec 16 18:55:39 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Dec 16 17:07:26 2014. I believe this is their last contract with Gillig unless they create another one. This one ends in 2017. |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Dec 16 18:58:16 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by northshore on Tue Dec 16 18:42:56 2014. I don't think these Gilligs are good in Northeastern weather being their build in California. Last week, CDTA lost 6 buses because snow kept getting stuck in the tires causing the brakes to pull when applied with the minor snow storm they received. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 16 20:20:14 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by oldman on Tue Dec 16 14:02:56 2014. LoL...there you go.. letting the cat out of the bag. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Tue Dec 16 23:18:39 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by BusRider on Tue Dec 16 18:58:16 2014. They seem to do OK in places like Buffalo and Rochester. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Wed Dec 17 08:11:36 2014, in response to Re: CDTA Articulated Bus Purchase, posted by RailBus63 on Tue Dec 16 23:18:39 2014. The smaller Massachusetts agencies and most of New Hampshire/Vermont too. |
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