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Posted by kcram3500 on Sat Aug 30 23:34:45 2014, in response to 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by Andy on Sat Aug 30 21:20:38 2014. Public Service in NJ started shortly after on November 24 1969, requiring exact-change fares on 23 Newark-area routes. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Aug 31 00:18:24 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by kcram3500 on Sat Aug 30 23:34:45 2014. And to this day, NJ Transit still has "Full Service" on many of its lines, with operators carrying several hundred dollars in cash at the end of some runs. |
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Posted by nh153 on Sun Aug 31 09:41:31 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Aug 31 00:18:24 2014. I think that has more to do with NJ Transit's zones and more expensive fares the farther you are from NY City. Most of the NJ Transit buses that stay within New Jersey are exact fare.But if you're going to NYC, the fare is at least $3.20 (except at the GW Bridge bus stop, which has a special $1.70 fare). Then there are additional zones that raise the base fare. Additionally, you can also buy a round trip ticket, which doubles your fare. So these buses have "full service" with drivers making change. I happened to take a 182 the other day and someone had taped up the fare box with cardboard so we wouldn't drop exact fare in the box. I suppose that vehicle was mostly used on exact fare routes but was switched to a NYC route. So the 182, Paramus to GW Bridge Terminal, is a full service route with four different fares (two zones in NJ, a special fare at the GW Bridge bus stop in Fort Lee and a terminal in Manhattan). For transit systems like NYC that have one fare regardless of distance traveled, the exact fare policy makes sense. I wonder, before Metro Card, did NYC drivers on express routes make change, even after 1969? Was it the introduction of Metro Card that turned express buses in NYC into exact fare routes? |
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Posted by Andy on Sun Aug 31 10:26:25 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by nh153 on Sun Aug 31 09:41:31 2014. Private company express bus routes in NYC did make change for about a year or so after the 1969 exact fare rule on local buses. By 1971 the private express buses all required exact fares, with fareboxes that accepted coins, dollar bills, and paper tickets. The privates also accepted NYCTA tokens at their face value for all or part of the express fare.NYCTA and MABSTOA express bus routes always required exact fares in coins and/or tokens. When the base fare was 50 cents, and the express bus fare $1.50, three tokens, or six quarters, or a token and four quarters, etc. could be used to pay the fare. Later on, a special express bus token was used when the fare went up to $3 or $3.50. |
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Posted by B53RICH on Sun Aug 31 11:46:51 2014, in response to 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by Andy on Sat Aug 30 21:20:38 2014.  Photo by: Doug Grotjahn, Collection of: Joe Testagrose at Park Row & Beekman St. 8/22/1969 |
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Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Sun Aug 31 13:04:15 2014, in response to 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by Andy on Sat Aug 30 21:20:38 2014. "Thankfully no drivers were killed in New York, unlike some other cities where drivers died after being assaulted during robberies."The implementation of exact fare on NYC Transit buses was specifically after the robbery/death of a bus operator on the then Q4A (now 84) at the end of the line (238 St-130 Av)in 1969. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Aug 31 19:22:12 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by nh153 on Sun Aug 31 09:41:31 2014. I happened to take a 182 the other day and someone had taped up the fare box with cardboard so we wouldn't drop exact fare in the box. I suppose that vehicle was mostly used on exact fare routes but was switched to a NYC route.The 182, along with the 171, 175, 178 and 186 are out of Market Street Garage and normally use NABI suburbans, with the occasional transit and MCI thrown in. All the NABI's at Market have fareboxes so that they can be used on local exact fare lines if needed. During my time at that garage I've been given a suburban for the 74, 703, 704 and 712. When they're used on a full service line, the box is taped over. The register is programmed not to connect to the farebox when you sign on with a full service line number. There are some garages, such as Fairview where the NABI's only have the register, since all their lines are full service. |
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Posted by andy on Sun Aug 31 20:24:30 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Sun Aug 31 13:04:15 2014. I checked the newspaper archives for 1967, 1968, and 1969 and found no record of any bus driver robbery-fatality anywhere in NYC during those years. I would have remembered it too. A Triboro Coach driver was robbed at gunpoint in 1968 in East Elmhurst but that's the closest incident I found. |
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Posted by nh153 on Mon Sep 1 10:56:22 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by Andy on Sun Aug 31 10:26:25 2014. I had forgotten that the private bus companies had fare boxes that accepted dollar bills, as well as coins and Metro Card. City buses only accepted coins and Metro Card then, as they do today.I wonder why there was a difference? Did the private bus companies believe their customers would be less likely to have a Metro Card and less likely to have enough coins in their pockets? I remember that using a dollar bill machine slowed down the boarding process. And there was also a period where the private bus fare was less expensive than city buses, if you paid with coins or bills rather than Metro Card. You'd still get a free transfer to another bus, even a city bus, if you paid the lower fare. But not to the subway. For that, you needed a Metro Card, and the full fare. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 1 12:45:35 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by nh153 on Mon Sep 1 10:56:22 2014. They never simultaneously accepted bills and MetroCards. The MetroCard fareboxes replaced the ones that took bills. They did have a box that accepted bills for brief period, but it was just a box with a slot, and the local buses used it for only a few months.The exceptions were NYBS and LLE which did in fact have a mechanical firebox add-on that took bills while also taking MetroCards. There was also a period after the NYCT fare went to $2 that the private companies stayed at $1.50 MetroCard. You'd be charged 50¢ to transfer to the Subway, but bus transfers to NYCT were free. And it was still $1 cash off peak with a free transfer to any bus. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 1 13:56:57 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 1 12:45:35 2014. Yep, I remember, particularly around 2004-05, regularly looking for a "private" just so I can pay the fare for a transfer(even if it meant riding for a bit just to avoid driving people crazy) before getting on a NYCT bus. I called it the automatic fare reducer, and there was often little to no time lost doing it. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Sep 1 19:08:18 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Aug 31 00:18:24 2014. I've been on buses in Portugal and Israel where the drivers still handle cash fares and make change. It is unfortunate that American society can't be "trusted" with this sort of thing due to the risks involved for drivers to carry money. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 1 19:36:11 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Sep 1 19:08:18 2014. Most European cities don't take cash on buses and trams. What does that say about their society? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Sep 1 23:22:12 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by italianstallion on Mon Sep 1 19:36:11 2014. The fact that honor systems work there and don't work in the US says quite a bit. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Sep 2 13:11:52 2014, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Exact Bus Fare, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 1 13:56:57 2014. Ha |
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