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Re: MTA bus operators should not do stupid unsafe things |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 12:58:50 2014, in response to MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jul 23 12:11:07 2014. They’ll be looking for drivers using cell phones, running red lights or committing other infractions.Subject corrected |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Jul 23 13:04:54 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators should not do stupid unsafe things, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 12:58:50 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by MR RT on Wed Jul 23 14:13:33 2014, in response to MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jul 23 12:11:07 2014. Yea right, increase the cost of operations (these new checkers) because the public can't do anything about it. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jul 23 16:18:14 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by MR RT on Wed Jul 23 14:13:33 2014. Exactly.It sucks that a lot of drivers are going to end up being super-cautious in order to avoid receiving an infraction. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 23 16:42:42 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jul 23 16:18:14 2014. NYCT: ruling by fear of your job and days in the street all the time. |
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Posted by b1bus on Wed Jul 23 17:14:07 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 23 16:42:42 2014. Don't do anything wrong, and you'll have nothing to worry about. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 23 17:54:10 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by b1bus on Wed Jul 23 17:14:07 2014. Running red lights: is the b/o supposed to slam on the brakes risking injury to passengers because a supervisor who has to write up somebody to justify his job could write him up if he judges the b/o should have stopped?Anybody who works or has worked for an MTA agency would understand. You have no idea of the number of supervisors who take the job do it just to get off the road, who had a good day in guessing the answers on the multiple choice test, and are dysfunctional. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed Jul 23 18:12:58 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 23 17:54:10 2014. Running red lights: is the b/o supposed to slam on the brakes risking injury to passengers because a supervisor who has to write up somebody to justify his job could write him up if he judges the b/o should have stopped?If you are driving properly... no faster than the speed limit and anticipating light changes, there is no reason to run a red light. A yellow light is sufficient in length for any vehicle to come to a stop, as it is timed to the speed limit, unless you are the front vehicle entering the intersection at the time the light turns yellow. When I'm driving, I can anticipate many lights by the Walk/Don't Walk sequence. If the light ahead is green but the DW is flashing, I back off and expect a yellow very shortly. |
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Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Jul 24 08:52:38 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Jul 23 18:12:58 2014. Not of someone has retimed the yellow light to facilitate red light cameras.What about a road with a 30mph speed limit, but a yellow timing designed for 25mph? I'd rather fight the citation than get rear ended. I've been bumped into three times at stop lights from people who couldn't stop in time. |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Jul 24 10:32:29 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Thu Jul 24 08:52:38 2014. Yep, and look at these DW countdowns turning yellow at 8 or even 12 sec. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jul 24 10:36:22 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Thu Jul 24 08:52:38 2014. What about a road with a 30mph speed limit, but a yellow timing designed for 25mph?Then you should be delighted that the speed limit will soon be 25 mph. The difference between the yellow interval duration is 3.2 vs. 3.0 seconds. There is far more variability in reaction time than the difference in yellow interval duration. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 24 11:24:11 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Thu Jul 24 08:52:38 2014. Not of someone has retimed the yellow light to facilitate red light cameras.There's no retiming to "facilitate" cameras. Minimum yellow in NYC is three seconds, and the camera goes off 0.3 seconds after the beginning of the red. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 24 11:31:32 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Thu Jul 24 08:52:38 2014. Whoops, didn't finish the replyWhat about a road with a 30mph speed limit, but a yellow timing designed for 25mph? That's why there's a 0.3 second grace period before the camera goes off. I'd rather fight the citation than get rear ended. I've been bumped into three times at stop lights from people who couldn't stop in time. I'd rather stop at a red light and be rear ended than run it and be broadsided. Injury is better than death. |
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Re:A question about red lights and B/Os |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 24 12:26:38 2014, in response to MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jul 23 12:11:07 2014. My question is why to B/Os frequently run red lights? I even see NYPD patrol cars near by that do nothing as well. The other day I was on a Q13 and the B/O stop at the bus stop and picked up 2 people and then went right through the red light without even looking up until it was too late to stop. Thank God no one went into the green. So what happens to B/Os that run red lights? and are the NYPD supposed to ticket them or what? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 24 23:41:08 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by TheHat on Thu Jul 24 10:32:29 2014. You can't always depend on that. I saw lights turning yellow when there still were six seconds left to walk. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 24 23:42:20 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 24 11:24:11 2014. There are many yellows under three seconds or whatever reason. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 24 23:45:38 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 24 11:31:32 2014. "I'd rather stop at a red light and be rear ended than run it and be broadsided."If the light just turned red, the other light wont turn green for at least a second or two, sometimes three seconds, so your chance of being broadsided by not slamming on the brake is much less than being rearended. |
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Re:A question about red lights and B/Os |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 24 23:48:09 2014, in response to Re:A question about red lights and B/Os, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 24 12:26:38 2014. They are supposed to get ticketed. Whenever I see bus operators run red lights, it is a willful deliberate action. I never saw a bus run a red light because he is going too fast to stop. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 01:37:54 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 24 11:24:11 2014. I've seen several yellows shorter than 3 seconds. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 05:30:54 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 24 11:31:32 2014. I'd rather stop at a red light and be rear ended than run it and be broadsided. Injury is better than death.I am going to take the red light. The likelihood of being broadsided is lower than being whacked from behind. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jul 25 06:43:29 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 01:37:54 2014. I've seen several yellows shorter than 3 seconds.How did you measure it? Remember your reaction time is about 0.5 to 1.5 seconds. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 25 08:09:56 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 24 23:41:08 2014. Isn't that what he just said??? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 25 08:10:12 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 24 23:42:20 2014. Where? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 25 08:13:06 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 24 23:45:38 2014. Wrong. People could jump the light or be approaching the red at a high rate of speed anticipating it to immediately turn green and then broadside you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 25 08:14:39 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jul 25 06:43:29 2014. People with reaction times of 1.5 seconds should have their drivers licenses revoked. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Fri Jul 25 08:25:01 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 05:30:54 2014. Think about that logic for a second...You'd rather break the law and trust drivers on the side street because you don't trust drivers behind you. I'm with RIPTA - that's their problem, not yours. A red light ticket can double your car insurance rates for years. |
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Posted by Railbus63 on Fri Jul 25 09:23:13 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 05:30:54 2014. You are going to 'take the red light' when? If you are an experienced and safe driver and are approaching the intersection at (or even slightly above) the speed limit, your instincts will inform you when to go for it and when to brake for the light. If your instincts tell you to brake, you will have plenty of time to apply your brakes and signal your intentions to following traffic. Three decaces of experience have taught me that following drivers absolutely take their cue from the way the vehicle ahead of them is driving. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 25 10:13:10 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 24 23:42:20 2014. There are many yellows under three seconds or whatever reason."Whatever reason" is not "to facilitate red light cameras." NYCDOT policy minimum yellow interval is 3 seconds. |
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Re:A question about red lights and B/Os |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Jul 25 10:59:50 2014, in response to Re:A question about red lights and B/Os, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 24 23:48:09 2014. BrooklynBus...I agree with you 100% on this, but it does not seem to happen. Plus I don't see the NYPD enforcing it either when they are close by to see it happen. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 11:18:28 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jul 25 06:43:29 2014. It was almost a full second shorter than normal. My reaction time is around 0.5 seconds when I am driving and a little less when I am playing sports. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 25 11:25:51 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 25 08:14:39 2014. AWESOME POST!Including anyone who keeps too large a gap in front of them while in traffic. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 11:29:50 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by kcram3500 on Fri Jul 25 08:25:01 2014. When someone hits me from behind, it is certainly my problem as well.I routinely break the law to avoid accidents. You can be right and still get wronged. Your insurance will go up for just being at the accident. I don't want to be involved at all. I will do whatever I need to do to stay out of one. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 11:32:19 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 25 10:13:10 2014. So why are all the shortened yellows at red light cameras again?This is a national issue. There are numerous cities reporting increased accidents at these red light camera locations. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 25 12:42:19 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 24 23:41:08 2014. You can't always depend on that. I saw lights turning yellow when there still were six seconds left to walk.What was zero - end of yellow/start of all red, during all red, or at the start of green for opposing traffic? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 25 13:29:29 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 25 12:42:19 2014. I like the opposite better: When the pedestrian WALK light turns on before the vehicle light turns green. This gets pedestrians into the crosswalk and prevents a stream of cars from trying to beat the pedestrians and fail to yield to them. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 25 13:39:52 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 11:32:19 2014. So why are all the shortened yellows at red light cameras again?Because that's how the conspiracy theory goes. Do you have proof of shortened yellows at all the red light cameras? This is a national issue. There are numerous cities reporting increased accidents at these red light camera locations. Yes, increases in rear end crashes, reductions in angle crashes, and reductions in overall crash severity (injuries and fatalities). An FHWA study of seven jurisdictions found that red light cameras didn't necessarily reduce the number of crashes (a total of 4,063 crashes before vs/ 4,059 after), but the number of injury/fatality crashes decreased by 5 percent. The reduction in cost associated with injury/fatality crashes was $50k per intersection. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 25 13:40:44 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 11:18:28 2014. It was almost a full second shorter than normal.That doesn't answer the question, which was "how did you measure it?" |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 25 13:43:37 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 11:29:50 2014. I routinely break the law to avoid accidents. You can be right and still get wronged. Your insurance will go up for just being at the accident. I don't want to be involved at all. I will do whatever I need to do to stay out of one.That's great, but it doesn't mean running a red light is a good way to avoid an accident. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Fri Jul 25 14:09:08 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 11:29:50 2014. So you're saying you KNOW for a fact at every intersection whether the car behind you is following too closely, the driver is distracted and can't react, and they will definitely rear-end you if you stop for a red light.Running a light because you THINK that's the case is just further proof of the "laws don't apply to me" mentality on the road. And in 32+ years of driving, my insurance rates have NEVER increased because I was rear-ended. Not once. And a vehicle behind me has indeed hit me a few times in my driving life. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 25 14:19:00 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by kcram3500 on Fri Jul 25 08:25:01 2014. Red light tickets issued based on camera evidence do not carry points since it can;t be proven who the actual driver of the car was at the time of the infraction. |
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Posted by Railbus63 on Fri Jul 25 15:35:16 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by kcram3500 on Fri Jul 25 14:09:08 2014. IAWTP. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Fri Jul 25 15:50:57 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 25 14:19:00 2014. There are relatively few cameras compared to traffic lights. The red light ticket written by a cop - still the far majority of tickets written - will kill your insurance. |
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Posted by jasonbellamy on Fri Jul 25 16:44:50 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by kcram3500 on Fri Jul 25 14:09:08 2014. Never mind your insurance rates -- if you get a neck or back injury from being rear-ended, you might be affected for the rest of your life. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Fri Jul 25 20:07:29 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by jasonbellamy on Fri Jul 25 16:44:50 2014. So you too are going to just run red lights all the time because you're in fear of the vehicle behind you? Every driver behind you is that bad a driver? Sorry, not buying it. Collisions happen, but not at a rate to constantly drive illegally with the excuse that it's for accident avoidance. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jul 25 22:22:55 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 25 11:18:28 2014. Your experimental technique for measuring the yellow interval leaves much to be desired.May I suggest that you use a digital camera to take a movie of the transition from green to red. You can then use any number of movie editing programs to analyze the transition frame by frame. Each frame has a time stamp. They time stamp is fairly accurate over the short interval. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 26 02:25:06 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by kcram3500 on Fri Jul 25 15:50:57 2014. Agreed! |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Jul 26 08:45:47 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by kcram3500 on Fri Jul 25 14:09:08 2014. You are free to sort it out with the law. I am not going to be involved.The last thing I want to do is be hit from behind. I want to see the accident coming and have a shot at avoiding it. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Jul 26 11:28:02 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 25 08:13:06 2014. So what is the chance of that happening versus being rear-ended? |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Sat Jul 26 14:52:52 2014, in response to Re: MTA bus operators better watch out, undercover managers, posted by JAzumah on Sat Jul 26 08:45:47 2014. I'd hope that the last thing you want to do is kill a pedestrian because you ran a red light, but I guess that's just a secondary concern when your car could be rear-ended by obeying the law. |
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