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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Fri Aug 16 14:39:02 2013, in response to Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Aug 16 14:21:55 2013. Chapter 11 bankruptcy means they will try to continue operating while restructuring and paying off creditors. With NJT being the biggest of the creditors, though, it will be interesting to see how they can make them happy without losing the contract. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Aug 16 14:45:09 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by RailBus63 on Fri Aug 16 14:39:02 2013. I really doubt they will payed the creditors off, in recent reports they still have trouble to get a loan. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Aug 16 14:51:14 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by RailBus63 on Fri Aug 16 14:39:02 2013. I have to wonder if NJT might be better off re-bidding the contract, since I doubt that the contract will be re-bid. Of course, would NJT want to get stuck with a handful of oddballs? |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by bx36ltd on Fri Aug 16 14:59:12 2013, in response to Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Aug 16 14:21:55 2013. Jersey shoulda stuck with MCI |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Aug 16 15:19:50 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by bx36ltd on Fri Aug 16 14:59:12 2013. MCI didnt low bid it, now they have a chance. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by NorthShore on Fri Aug 16 17:10:02 2013, in response to Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Aug 16 14:21:55 2013. What ever happened to the MTA's Designline buses? |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Aug 16 17:12:28 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by NorthShore on Fri Aug 16 17:10:02 2013. They were sent back to DesignLine, some of the ex-MTA buses uses as prototype or other customers snatch it up.I assume DesignLine did pay back to MTA. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by busdude2 on Fri Aug 16 18:15:08 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Aug 16 14:51:14 2013. NJT will never learn. The Millennium mess should have taught them something. Stick with a proven builder MCI. And the lowest bid should not apply because Designline did not have a proven bus. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 16 18:39:33 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by busdude2 on Fri Aug 16 18:15:08 2013. Compared to Sandy damage to their trains, this is pocket change.MCI's are probably getting over-designed and pricey. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Aug 16 23:16:19 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 16 18:39:33 2013. There is always Prevost. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 07:19:25 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Aug 16 23:16:19 2013. True, but they do not often sell to scheduled carriers (for some reason) |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by R160A A Train on Sat Aug 17 09:23:29 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by busdude2 on Fri Aug 16 18:15:08 2013. Ah now there's the rub. The Millennium mess was actually NJT's fault. It came to light about a year ago that the Millennium RTS buses were in fact fine but NJT didn't want to be the first big contract on a new bus builder, EVEN THOUGH Millennium was employed by ex-Nova employees and even some Ex-TMC employees who knew the RTS like the back of their hands.Meanwhile all of the RTS built on the NJT contract have been in regular service since with next to little or no issues, in fact Texas A&M, Pueblo and Somerset County (Talk about having someone in your back yard slap you in the face with you own $#!t) had been knocking down MTS's doors for more units because they work so well. NJT had left such a bad taste in MTS's mouth that it never really recovered from that. NJT much like the MTA has a history of being an extreme tough customer to deal, especially with NJT and all their ultra customizations of buses. In fact every bus since the 2001 Neoplan and MCI orders were HEAVILY customized. I'm amazed that DesignLine even decided to take on NJT, because there were several manufacturers who wouldn't even bid on a NJT RFP. Now yeah DesignLine has had its share of hiccups, but the NJT order was poised to get them on track and I've heard that NJT has been less that pleasant to deal with on this order as well changing up and specs and what not. Typical NJT, I'm surprised NABI held on because there was loads of changes through out that contract. Hell NJT changed the whole damn bus including shrinking it to 38 and a half feet. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Aug 17 09:27:08 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 07:19:25 2013. Plenty of sales to GLI, ADT, MTA, HJ, Concord Coach, and Orleans Express. All schedule operators |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by R160A A Train on Sat Aug 17 09:32:54 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 16 18:39:33 2013. MCIs OR any bus is as expensive as you make it. Your spec determines what your price will be on the final "bill" |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 17 11:04:25 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 07:19:25 2013. That changed with the Prevost entering the NBQP with the 2400s and now winning a 300-bus MCI order as a pure low bidder. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 11:48:48 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 17 11:04:25 2013. I prefer Prevosts. They don't tip outward when going around a curve. It just seems a steadier ride than an MCI. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 11:52:22 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by R160A A Train on Sat Aug 17 09:23:29 2013. Jail time for NJT for a Nova/RTS order ?Orion would no longer with NJT's corrupt political culture. Somerset County got the 2 RTS demos from NJT & MTS, but seem to go after cheaper buses now (El Dorado ?). |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by 167t on Sat Aug 17 12:41:43 2013, in response to Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Aug 16 14:21:55 2013. Not surprised at all. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 17 14:21:17 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 11:48:48 2013. The X3-45 also have a very long wheelbase---of 27 feet 11 inches, 18 inches longer than that of the D4500, and because the X3-45 is shorter in height (it is even shorter than an O7 CNG), a lower center of gravity. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 17 14:23:41 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by R160A A Train on Sat Aug 17 09:23:29 2013. Also...those NABI 416s advertised as 40 feet---are actually 38.5 feet long. However, NJT is only paying $358K per bus - a pretty cheap price. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 15:42:12 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 17 14:23:41 2013. Custom built, high floor, major components in "MCI locations" on bus.Nobody else will ever buy one. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 17:29:55 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Aug 17 09:27:08 2013. Notice nothing outside the Northeast.ADT and GLI may feel they have to buy some since they run into Quebec. |
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Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor |
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Posted by R160A A Train on Sun Aug 18 08:20:04 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News: DesignLine filed Chapter 11 BANKRUPTCY; NJ Transit i$ largest creditor, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 17 11:52:22 2013. Yeah, because Millennium is no longer in a position to provide buses. The management there is a total mess and can't get its head out its ass, so pretty much is just a parts company supporting the current Millenniums out there. |
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Charlotte busmaker DesignLine Corp. — which has struggled with production delays and lawsuits since relocating its headquarters here from New Zealand in 2006 — filed Thursday for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, according to court documents.