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Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Aug 3 02:42:44 2012

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Assemblymember Nicole Malliotakis hosted an MTA round table meeting at her office on July 27 to discuss the future of public transportation in Southwest Brooklyn.

Board member Allen Cappelli was in attendance and contended that new MTA Chair Joseph Lhota, as a Brooklyn resident, understands the needs of the neighborhood.

“Lots of cuts that haven’t been addressed yet need to be addressed,” he said, adding that board members are currently talking about adding new bus routes, increasing the amount of trains and updating subway sound systems in Southwest Brooklyn.

Restoring B37 service, X28 service in Bensonhurst and Dyker Heights, and a new route that would go along 65th Street down First Avenue towards Lutheran Medical Center are also on the table, Cappelli said.

“There is an increased number people working in Brooklyn and they are coming from southern Brooklyn so we need new crosstown buses,” commented State Senator Marty Golden, also at the round table, adding that an elevator is needed at the 86th Street R train station. One is scheduled to be installed there in the future, but not for several years, to make the station ADA-compliant.

Cappelli explained that the 2010 service cuts were due to a $2 billion budget deficit. “I know how much the express bus cuts hurt. It was on everyone’s mind,” he said.

Currently, the MTA is aiming to reduce unnecessary spending to free up more funds to put towards expanding service. “From my perspective, we have to get leaner,” Cappelli said, adding that the agency is looking into decreasing the budget for non-transportation administrative services.

Another way to balance the budget is by waiving bond fees that the MTA would have to give to the state to reduce debt. “The [bond fees] are approximately $50 million per year and we have legislation in to waive it permanently,” Malliotakis said. “We got $30 million [of those funds] to do restorations.”

Fare evasion is also an issue. “Fare evasion costs us at least $100 million annually. It is a huge problem and it is unlawful,” Cappelli said.

Malliotakis added that there are talks of injecting $5 to $6 million into the MTA budget to put undercover officers on buses to stop fare beaters on problematic routes.

“It’s dangerous for bus drivers,” she commented. “We are also drafting legislation that would require fines from summonses issued to people by the MTA to go to the MTA and not to the city.”

The MTA is also trying to work with the community to reduce the toll on the Verrazano Bridge much like the Port Authority did on its bridges last month.

“The key is looking at a whole new toll structure and paying via E-Z Pass or license plates,” Cappelli said. “I know the Verrazano Bridge is a lifeline to generations of families. The way we toll people doesn’t make sense to me. We have to relieve the inequity.”

Golden also noted that he would like to see a bike lane across the span. “It’s a dream, not a reality and it’s a reality I would like to see,” he said.

One other way to increase the MTA’s revenue is to sell more advertising on subways, buses and even on MetroCards – with the MTA announcing last month that it was retooling its MetroCard advertising program, allowing the fronts of cards to carry advertising.

“This is the first inning of a nine inning ballgame. We have to keep continuing what we are doing,” Cappelli said. “Things are a little bit better but we have to see where the economy goes. We have to find ways to do more with less and bring back services that we had.”
---http://www.homereporternews.com/news/general/bay-ridge-mta-roundtable-discussion/article_5bd61562-dbf6-11e1-8f51-0019bb2963f4.html

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 3 04:53:58 2012, in response to Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Aug 3 02:42:44 2012.

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Another politician "takes on the MTA".

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Aug 3 13:53:30 2012, in response to Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Aug 3 02:42:44 2012.

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and a new route that would go along 65th Street down First Avenue towards Lutheran Medical Center are also on the table,


Some reporter needs to read a map - - you run UP 1st Ave, not down then you cannot get to 1st Ave because 65th Street ends at 2nd Ave near the Belt ramps - - and you have the B9 on 60th Street and B11 to Luthern.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by caine515 on Fri Aug 3 14:45:22 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 3 04:53:58 2012.

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I'm not sure a bus on 65th street would work as the B9 does well o 60th Street. I can see X28 service returning EVENTUALLY(The X27 is comning back on weekends) but B37..maye wkdy rush hours only and that's it. Is the B70 working well on 3rd Avenue anyway?

p.s.The B1 should be extended to 3rd Avenue for connection with the B70 and less congestion with the S79SBS. Having the B1 layover on 87th Street won't work.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Aug 3 15:21:26 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by caine515 on Fri Aug 3 14:45:22 2012.

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I was thinking, should the B16 and the B1 swap western terminals (B1 to Shore/Fourth, B16 to Fourth/86th)? I don't even know what made me think of the idea, but it would be interesting to see the B1 transverse all of 86th Street to better serve those living west of Fourth Avenue.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by caine515 on Fri Aug 3 16:18:18 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Aug 3 15:21:26 2012.

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the problem is the stop where the B1 currently layovers is being moved once the S79SBS comes into play. B1 to 3rd Avenue would make sense.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 3 20:00:25 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Aug 3 15:21:26 2012.

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That was one of my proposals back in 1978. Th MTA rejected it then and only chose to go with my proposed eastern end of the B1.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Aug 4 10:10:53 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Aug 3 15:21:26 2012.

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Money. The B1 is of a higher frequency than the B16. To make your proposed swap would negate the cost benefit from the B1-B64 swap from a couple of years ago.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Aug 5 10:41:38 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Aug 4 10:10:53 2012.

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No one said every B1 needs to be extended to Shore Road.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Aug 5 11:11:52 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Aug 5 10:41:38 2012.

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This is true, but then congestion would not be spared at 4th Ave, so it comes out about even. I think you had an idea to send one of the buses that end at Xaverian (71st and 4th) all the way down Shore instead. The best would probably be the B9.

I would think Shore Road residents would want access to "Downtown" Bay Ridge, 86th Street, so it would have to be either the B16 or some B1s. Whichever is chosen, I guess the same amount of buses will be laying over at the 4th Ave / 87 St area.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 5 11:30:00 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Aug 5 11:11:52 2012.

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If the B9 is sent down Shore Road, the B16 should be truncated to Fort Hamilton High School---and run-ons and run-offs should be from this end instead of the Prospect Park end.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 5 12:21:40 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by caine515 on Fri Aug 3 16:18:18 2012.

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I see the B1 simply moving around the corner to the B16 stop, which may be lengthened.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Aug 5 15:16:31 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Aug 5 11:11:52 2012.

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There is also the possibility of sending the S53 to 59th Street instead of 86th Street and terminating there. That was also suggested back in 1978. I don't think the running time would be much more and there woud be a connection with the express and fewer buses terminating at 86th Street.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Aug 5 15:47:32 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Aug 5 15:16:31 2012.

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It wouldn't run via Shore Road though would it? What do you think is the best service pattern for Shore Road, north of 86th, south of 86th, or both?

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by vfrt on Sun Aug 5 20:20:59 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Aug 5 15:16:31 2012.

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S79 should also terminate at 59 St. / 4th Avenue.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Aug 5 21:40:34 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Aug 5 15:16:31 2012.

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If they were to put that into effect I'd support it. Heading to 59th Street/Fourth Avenue, the S53 (and maybe even the S79) could operate via Dahlgreen Place, 86th Street, Fourth Avenue, 59th Street and terminate at the corner. Buses could turn around via 59th Street, Third Avenue, 58th Street and back onto Fourth Avenue and then layover between 59th and 60th Streets and also pick up at that location.

Thoughts?

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Aug 5 23:43:50 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Aug 5 21:40:34 2012.

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I don't think the buses even need to go up 4th Avenue. Just get back on the BQE after 86th Street and go right to 59th Street. They would've already made connections with the buses they need to (B70, B1, B16). Maybe if need be, buses can use Fort Hamilton Parkway between 92nd Street & 86th Street instead of the service road, so it's a little easier for Bay Ridge residents to access (and easier for B16 riders to transfer)

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Aug 6 09:53:04 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Aug 5 21:40:34 2012.

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Maybe during rush hours, certain buses could just stay on the Gowanus from the Verrazano and get off at the 38th St exit for 36th St station?

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Aug 6 19:55:51 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Aug 5 23:43:50 2012.

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That doesn't sound too shabby. Besides, the S53 and S79 would be stealing revenue from the Brooklyn buses if they were to be all local in Brooklyn along that stretch of Fourth Avenue.

The only thing is, no more connection at 86th Street/Fourth Avenue to the (R) train. Then again, riders would just stay on the S53/S79 to 59th Street/Fourth Avenue where they can take either the (N) or (R) train, opening options for either a local or express train Ridership at 86th street would suffer as a result.

So your idea is to have the S53 and S79 take this pattern: Dahlgreen Place (stops at 92nd, 90th/88th, 86th) back on the highway...and what exit would it take to get to 59th Street? I'd use the 65th Street exit and then go underneath the Gowanus until Fourth Avenue where it can make the drop offs and pickups at 59/Fourth like I stated in my other post.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Aug 6 19:57:20 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Aug 6 09:53:04 2012.

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I wouldn't go that far. I think 59th Street is far enough.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 6 20:21:58 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by LRG5784 on Mon Aug 6 19:55:51 2012.

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However, the other issue is direct service to the 86th Street shopping district. Rerouting it away from 86 Street deprives customers of that, and would put too much burden on the B1 at its first few stops.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Aug 6 21:11:50 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by LRG5784 on Mon Aug 6 19:55:51 2012.

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Well, it's all going to the MTA, so it's no big deal whether the MetroCard is dipped on an SI bus or Brooklyn bus. My real concern was that the buses would slow down too much. The B63 takes 16 minutes to get from 60th Street to 86th Street, whereas the (R) takes 6 minutes. 4th Avenue is wider, so it might be a little faster, but the point is that if you make it too slow, people might just chance it and wait for the (R), which defeats the purpose of the extension in the first place. By using the expressway, you're basically guaranteeing that the ride would be as fast as a best-case scenario where the (R) links right up with the (N) at 59th Street. I mean, I can't picture that part of the BQE getting too bad. I think a lot of the problems start north of 65th Street with the merge with the Belt and everything.

I mean, there really wouldn't be a point in running up 4th Avenue. They're already covered with the B70 & B63. I mean, yeah, you might get a few SI riders going to say, 77th Street who benefit from the direct ride, but those riders are in the minority.

For the shopping district along 86th Street, that's why my compromise was having it run along Fort Hamilton Parkway, so riders headed for that area wouldn't have to cross over the BQE. So buses would get off at 92nd Street, make a left, stop at the current first stop, then make a right onto FHP, right onto 86th, stop with the B1 at 86th & FHP, and then go back onto the BQE, get off at 65th Street, and terminate at 59th & 4th.

Going back, I think you could keep it on Gatling Place, since it's still on the same side of the BQE, and there's no point in adding the extra turns in and slowing everything down.

The distance from FHP to 4th Avenue is 4-6 minutes walking (Add an extra minute to Gatling Place). Unfortunately, it sucks if you're carrying bags, but I don't think a whole lot of the people there are shoppers. It basically makes the same connections, though, which would be the main idea with this plan.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Aug 6 21:13:24 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Aug 6 21:11:50 2012.

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And for the people coming from 4th Avenue, I just figured I'd throw in that the B1 & B16 when put together are pretty frequent (the B1 by itself is frequent), so that might be another option to get to the S53/79/93.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Aug 6 21:51:45 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 6 20:21:58 2012.

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Hence the reason why I'd have the S53/79/93 just travel along 86th Street and then via Fourth Avenue to 59th Street, as I stated in my original idea (which I'm still more in support of than checkmate's idea). I fear that buses may get caught in traffic along the Gowanus. With Fourth Avenue being a highway in its own aspect, buses can avoid any traffic it may get caught in on the Gowanus. Then such an extension would render unreliable if the buses get caught in a situation on the highway and there's no way of getting off.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Aug 6 21:59:37 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Aug 6 21:11:50 2012.

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I'm starting to think a little differently now. Adam's right...you will be taking away riders from 86th Street and putting them onto the B1 and B16, just two bus lines versus four or five depending on the time of the day. And with the B16 somewhat of an "unreliable" line (I speak from experience), then people will just rush for the bus they see first, the B1, which is already bursting at the seams as it is.

I feel that since the Staten Island buses already have Bus Time, then passengers can better predict when the S53/79/93 would arrive along Fourth Avenue by tracking any of the bus lines compared to the (R) train, which relies on solely the schedule.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Aug 6 22:17:43 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by LRG5784 on Mon Aug 6 21:59:37 2012.

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Can you get cell phone service down there? (For the BusTime?).

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Aug 6 22:28:49 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Aug 6 22:17:43 2012.

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At those stations along Fourth Avenue? Except for the mezzanine at 59th Street, no.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 6 23:01:19 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Aug 6 21:13:24 2012.

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The B1 as an 86 Street crosstown, however, has become hammered. That is the problem...and why you can't have a route from Staten Island to Brooklyn that misses the 86 Street shopping district.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Aug 7 08:36:41 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Aug 6 21:11:50 2012.

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Yes, it does matter where the MetroCard is dipped even if it is all MTA. Ridership drops on a given line endanger service on the line, or the line as a whole.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 7 21:08:53 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Aug 5 15:47:32 2012.

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It should stay on the expressway and exit closest to 59th Street. I think the exit is around 65th Street. That way it would only take a few more minutes than it takes to get to 86th Street.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 7 21:11:25 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by LRG5784 on Mon Aug 6 21:51:45 2012.

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They could do both like the B110 does. It uses the BQE generally, but when there is heavy traffic, it uses local streets instead.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 7 21:14:27 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Aug 6 09:53:04 2012.

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The BQE is jammed in rush hours and they wouldn't be able to use the HOV lane if they got off at 38th Street. Bad idea.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by Dan on Wed Aug 8 10:12:17 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 6 20:21:58 2012.

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Many Staten Islanders use the S53 & S79 to reach the 86 Street shopping district. Can't eliminate that portion of the S53 & S79 routes.

Before the S79 the MTA proposed extending the B70 into Staten Island via Hylan Blvd, terminating it in New Dorp on Ebbitts Street where the S57 terminates today. There were other SI-Brooklyn proposals too.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by mci guy on Wed Aug 8 14:42:10 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by Dan on Wed Aug 8 10:12:17 2012.

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atu wouldnt allow that either.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by LRG5784 on Wed Aug 8 21:22:16 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by mci guy on Wed Aug 8 14:42:10 2012.

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Staten Island is the only borough in which buses from other boroughs in transit don't enter theirs.

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 9 02:52:42 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by LRG5784 on Wed Aug 8 21:22:16 2012.

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funny how that works,right?

the ATU blocked several route extensions FROM Brooklyn..which brings me to THIS question..

How can EMPLOYEES block a route from being implemented to serve the public good? especially one they wont be operating?

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Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St

Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Aug 9 06:04:23 2012, in response to Re: Bay Ridge MTA roundtable discussion / Restoring: B37, X28 Weekend;& a new route along 65 St, posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 9 02:52:42 2012.

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I guess the bus route would be covering too much within their division. If the B70 were just extended to somewhere like Sand Lane in South Beach, that would probably be more of a reasonable extension in their eyes compared to New Dorp, which they could cover themselves. That's how I see it.

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