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Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 19 16:02:18 2012, in response to 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat May 19 14:37:49 2012. COOL,IF THERE IS AMPLE ROOM AVAILIBLE for bays...would some sort of expansion be possible?perhaps,with phase 3 of the SAS program the space could be enlarged for SBS/BRT directly to the bridge. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 16:36:26 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by Edwards! on Sat May 19 16:02:18 2012. Could the space be ventilated for internal combustion ?Should do that with a restored B39 or some other extended Brooklyn bus into Essex/Delancey trolley terminal. It also has more versatile subway service than the QBB bus terminal. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat May 19 18:13:11 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 16:36:26 2012. I realized that after I posted this, although it would be useless for any express or commuter buses. Only an intercity operator would be interested in that terminal. But hey, open them both up! Delancy/Essex for New England bound buses and 59th st for commuter/express buses. Local MTA buses could also operate out of both |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 19 19:28:37 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat May 19 18:13:11 2012. To me, it could work really good for the local buses. You may not have a subway connection, but you could have an SBS stop added. |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat May 19 21:48:34 2012, in response to 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat May 19 14:37:49 2012. Actually, this idea could work, especially with all those Hybrid and CNG buses in the fleet [NO DIESELS]. The Queensboro Bridge terminal would provide a great connection to the SBS on 2nd Ave, but the one terminal that would be a big hit would be the Essex St Terminal. Direct access to the F, J, and M trains, and you could attach it to the station mezzanine for barrier-free transferring between bus and subway [enter subway station ONCE, then choose between bus berths or subway platforms, plus direct bus service to Manhattan from Maspeth, Middle Village, and relief for the L in Williamsburg. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat May 19 23:37:58 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat May 19 21:48:34 2012. the problem with essex/Delancy is and always has been that it only connected to what are now the brooklyn bound inner lanes. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat May 19 23:40:14 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat May 19 21:48:34 2012. 59th St is closer to the CBD though. That's why I lean more towards that for the commuter buses and those from Maspeth and Middle Village. I see Essex/Delancy more for inter-city because of the subway connections. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun May 20 00:07:01 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat May 19 23:40:14 2012. The "foot of the other side of the bridge" terminals are an outdated concept, left over from the street cars from Queens and brooklyn not being able to operate on Manhattan trackage and vice versa. the only reason the Q60 and Q101 end there is they are the current incarnations of those old streetcar lines ,and that's where thier franchises say they end and nobody has bothered to do anything about it.59th/2nd is not close enough to anything important. It's not even relativly close to it's nearest subway station on the grand scale of things. You'd have better luck using it as a launching point for a crosstown ETB tunnel like what they had in Seattle before the Light Rail trains came on-line. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 20 01:24:44 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by The Silence on Sun May 20 00:07:01 2012. 59th/2nd is at the NE corner of the CBD, so lots of jobs in walking distance. It's a decent enough location and it would be good to get some buses off the streets and into their own terminal |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun May 20 02:15:24 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 20 01:24:44 2012. your walking distance isn't my walking distance, and neither of ours are the next person's walking distance and so on.59th may be near jobs, but it's not near enough of the important ones.Many of the buildings in that area are still 3 or 4 floor brick walkups. Of everyone that I know who works or has worked in manhattan, none of thier jobs locations are within 4 blocks of that corner. the large majoirty of the important jobs are in the area bounded by 8th, 57th, 3rd and 30th. Besides, people in Middle Village and Maspeth are far more likely to take the bus to the subway lines than to ride the 39 or the 67 to the bridge terminal and have to find a way to get where they are going from there. They're my neighbors, I know how many of them think. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 20 03:30:55 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by The Silence on Sun May 20 02:15:24 2012. I still think 59th st terminal is just as close as Penn station to the CBD. They're practically at opposite corners. And what about all the people riding the Roosevelt Island Tram? What do they do once reaching Manhattan? |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun May 20 20:02:02 2012, in response to 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat May 19 14:37:49 2012. For a period of time after the trolleys stopped running Queens transit buses used the underground terminal. I can't say how long this went on for, maybe six months or a year. I recall riding a bus into the underground terminal and being very interested in the streetcar tracks.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sun May 20 22:03:57 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 20 03:30:55 2012. It's one block to the nearest subway station, but the subway also serves Roosevelt Island. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 21 00:49:39 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun May 20 22:03:57 2012. And it's the same exact location of where this bus station would be. And even with the subway serving RI, the tram sees plenty of use |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 21 13:24:46 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by The Silence on Sun May 20 02:15:24 2012. your walking distance isn't my walking distance, and neither of ours are the next person's walking distance and so on. They have done studies on this. There are engineering/planning principles on walking distance. So you don't need to use individuals you know as examples. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 21 17:49:27 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 21 13:24:46 2012. Care to elaborate on these studies? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 21 17:57:25 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 21 17:49:27 2012. Offhand I would just Google it, same as you:Walking |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon May 21 18:14:19 2012, in response to 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat May 19 14:37:49 2012. though just crossed my mind,would a modern city bus even fit in the terminals? becuase what's the point of doing it if the first one gets stuck. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon May 21 18:23:08 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun May 20 03:30:55 2012. Penn is in the corner of the heart of midtown, 59th might as well be in Kansas.it's 34th st, Times Square, Rock Center and Grand Central. that's where the important stuff is. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 21 20:29:20 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by The Silence on Mon May 21 18:14:19 2012. That's one of the things I'm unsure of. What's the clearance under there? Someone did mention that buses used it for a year or so after the trolleys |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Tue May 22 07:28:20 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by The Silence on Mon May 21 18:23:08 2012. Not really. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 22 10:10:56 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 21 17:49:27 2012. Care to elaborate on these studies?The RPA's Urban Space for Pedestrians by Boris Pushkarev & Jeffery Zupan is still the standard used by the NYCDCP for pedestrian trip generation. P&Z determined an average trip length of 1,720 feet. Table 2.11 (p. 46) breaks it down by age and gender; males age 25-50 had an average trip length of 2,044 feet. Also, the NYC Environmental Quality Review Technical Manual requires transit analysis if a subway station or bus route is within half a mile of a proposed project that would generate 200 or more transit trips. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 12:49:04 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 22 10:10:56 2012. RIPTA with the saaaaaaaaaavveeeeee. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue May 22 17:11:52 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 21 20:29:20 2012. I was more concered with the abilty for buses to navigate within the terminal, as it was designed for vechiles with what would equate to four wheel steering.I guess there in lies the problem. They might have realized there was some sort of problem, and move the buses to the street. looking at Joe Brennan's site, the photos make the place seem pretty dam cramped. 
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 22 17:44:30 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by The Silence on Mon May 21 18:23:08 2012. Disagree 100% |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 22 17:46:30 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 12:49:04 2012. +1 |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 22 17:52:47 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 22 10:10:56 2012. Thank you very much! So roughly 8 uptown/downtown blocks or 2-3 crosstown blocks |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 22 17:53:42 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by The Silence on Tue May 22 17:11:52 2012. Yeah, that's the other thing I was concerned about, but I wonder if you could remodel it so that there's more wiggle room. That's the image that made me leary |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 22 18:20:38 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by The Silence on Mon May 21 18:23:08 2012. I'd say west 34 St is less important than the other 3. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue May 22 18:22:52 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 22 17:53:42 2012. remodel would mean having to rebuild the suports to the entire bridge plaza. it would probibly be a dam slow process. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 22 20:42:13 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by The Silence on Tue May 22 18:22:52 2012. Worth it to get some buses off the streets and into terminals? |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue May 22 22:20:11 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 22 20:42:13 2012. they already have a terminal, cars aren't allowed on the section of 60th where the buses terminate. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 22 22:50:07 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by The Silence on Tue May 22 22:20:11 2012. I mean more buses, not just the 2 lines that terminate there currently |
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Posted by merrick1 on Thu May 24 20:50:54 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 22 20:42:13 2012. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the buses go somewhere useful like the Q32 does? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 24 22:24:15 2012, in response to Re: 59th St Bridge trolley terminal as a bus station?, posted by merrick1 on Thu May 24 20:50:54 2012. I'm not really a fan of adding traffic to midtown. Rush hour traffic is terrible, its the reason nj transit should just stay at the port |
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