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[Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 00:21:43 2012 http://www.thefunkyapple.com/2012/03/that-long-island-bus-experiment-isnt-going-very-well/I don't necessarily agree with his viewpoints since it's in the contract to adjust service levels and make the bus system more efficient, but I see that he's not too fond of the LIB Riders Union either. LOL. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 29 01:47:13 2012, in response to [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 00:21:43 2012. well..told ys! |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 29 07:21:04 2012, in response to [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 00:21:43 2012. It's unbelievable (well, actually quite believable) the degree to which people spout off opinions with no actual experience.Having spent much of my life in and around Nassau, with a mother who is still there and reliant on the bus as her only means of transport, I tend to follow the happenings quite closely. My opinion is that Veolia has probably put more thought into the idea of "getting more done with less" in about 6 months than the MTA did in the last 10 years combined. The most simple example is the N14. For years, the N14 has had 2 buses providing service every 10 minutes around the RVC loop during rush hours. Yet the express trains to Penn Station run about every 20 minutes. So the bus that provides a connection with an express train will have 20+ riders, and the next bus will have 2. Even the most brain-dead person can realize that if you just have the bus connect with the express trains you can cut your costs in half while causing a 10 minute delay to a small percentage of your ridership. Yet when this finally gets implemented it gets called a "50% service reduction" and people cry foul. End of rant. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 12:38:28 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 29 07:21:04 2012. Exactly. The "Transit Advocates" (and politicians) cry fowl because on paper it's a 50% reduction, but in reality it makes all the sense in the world and doesn't really affect anyone.The bus riders union is crying fowl about the N16 short turns between Hempstead and Roosevelt Field. LIB created them for NCC. Veolia is eliminating them with an extension of the N43. The N43 serves all of the same stops, an extension to Hempstead serves the same purpose with less buses and service mileage. Not much of a big deal but, "it's a 24% cut in N16 service, riders need that bus to get to school!" The short turns are EMPTY when NCC is closed, it's a complete waste of money. At least with the N43 extension it still serving a purpose when NCC is closed. Same with the N78. Its unique branch only gets riders during rush hour because it serves an office park. Other than that ridership numbers pertaining to the N78 don't matter because those riders don't care if it's a N78 or N79 they just need to get along Old Country Road and a N78 came first. And so, reducing the N78 to rush hours only affects no one! Here's another one, check this out: http://www.longislandbusridersunion.org/p/service-cuts.html Some of the service "changes" / "consolidations" are that the N31/N32, N48/N49, N54/N55, N73/74, N70/N71/N72 will be combined. SMH |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 29 19:04:19 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 12:38:28 2012. smart move if its going to get the most bang for the buck.. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 20:12:21 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 29 19:04:19 2012. Which one, the N14 or the N16? |
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Posted by B53RICH on Thu Mar 29 20:29:49 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 12:38:28 2012. With the N78, alternating with the N79, it provides half hour service along Old Country Road. With the new schedule, there will no longer be half hour service during midday. Is half hour service really needed for those few hours? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 21:59:06 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by B53RICH on Thu Mar 29 20:29:49 2012. Afaik, half hour service isn't really needed mid-day, east of Hicksville LIRR. So, East of Hicksville LIRR station the N79 will run hourly like usual, without the N78. West of Hicksville LIRR, the N24 is replacing the N78/N79 and will run half hour service. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 29 22:31:10 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 20:12:21 2012. all of it. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 23:05:57 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 29 22:31:10 2012. They all seem to make sense.I wonder how the N6X will work out though. I was thinking that the N6 Local would be PACKED at 10 min headways, possibly still flagging riders on the way to Queens,and vice versa. But while thinking about it, once the westbound bus gets to Elmont Road, it has the N1 helping out at 20 min headway's. So maybe it will work. Eastbound, anyone going to Westminster Road, Terrace Ave or the Terminal can take the Express Bus. Anyone going east of Elmont Road can take the Local. Anyone not going past Elmont Road can take the N1. They should have dispatchers or whatever "suggesting" buses to take. The N1 has capacity to relieve the N6 during its rush hour extension. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 29 23:40:13 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 12:38:28 2012. The argument can be made that this wasn't the correct move, however. Instead of extending every N43 trip to Hempstead, why not combine every other N16 NCC short-turn with the N17, to give the N17 a real purpose?The additional short-turn would be replaced by the N43. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Mar 29 23:56:42 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 12:38:28 2012. Yeah, they didn't mention that there is going to be a ___% increase in N43 service.As for the N78/79, I could understand why they would consider it a cut. I mean, you are increasing headways from every 30 minutes to 60 minutes off-peak, so half the riders now have to plan their trips an extra 30 minutes earlier or later. It's not like the N14 where most of the people are trying to connect to certain trains, or the N16 where they're going to be using the buses more efficiently. I mean, you could argue the same if they were to cut say, the N80 (and have riders take the N81). Very few people would be affected, but the few that so ride those routes would indeed see a 50% reduction in service. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Mar 30 02:14:00 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 29 23:40:13 2012. Because they're trying to save money, not have more empty buses riding around Nassau. If someone isn't going to Mercy Medical Center what purpose would the N17 have? Having the N17 go to Roosevelt Field is just a N16 in disguise. The ridership will be between Hempstead and Roosevelt Field, and the southern half would carry air. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Mar 30 02:34:56 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Mar 29 23:56:42 2012. You could argue that, but half the riders are not split between the N78 and N79 ;) West of Hicksville they'll have N24 service every 30 mins. East of Hicksville where most people transfer to and from the existing N78/N79, most riders are on the N79 because the N78 dead ends at a office park type area while the N79 serves more area/businesses and goes to a Mall.The N80/N81 is a different situation, they go along different routes, they're technically separate routes. The N78/N79 share the same trunk then serve different branches. I am curious about their findings on the N80/N81 though. Other than the N23/N27, I wonder if they see any other routes being combined/rerouted. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Fri Mar 30 09:03:52 2012, in response to [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 29 00:21:43 2012. The Funky Apple (whatever that is) seems to have a clear anti-NICE agenda and is not letting any facts get in the way of a perceived opportunity to scream 'Told you so!' |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Mar 30 15:55:16 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by N6 Limited on Fri Mar 30 02:34:56 2012. But the thing is that half the riders might not be affected, but there will be a few riders (those riding between Hicksville and Manetto Hill Road) who will see their service reduced by 50%. Now, they're exaggerating the impact (it's not like thousands of people are seeing a 50% reduction), but they are still correct in saying that the few people that have the option of either bus are seeing a reduction.As far as the N80/81 go, the point is that they do serve the same general area. If you don't want to use that example, use the N73/74. I'm not saying I disagree with what they're doing (I mean, I disagree with some ideas like the N6 LTD becoming the N6X, but as far as the idea of reducing service along empty routes, I agree with that). I mean, they should've really said something like "Service will be reduced by x%, affecting y% of the riders" |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Mar 30 18:50:00 2012, in response to Re: [Editorial?]That Long Island Bus experiment isn’t going very well, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Mar 30 15:55:16 2012. Yeah there will be affected riders. But what they could do is charge a higher fare on those particular routes and I'm sure those riders wouldn't like that.Yeah I didn't like the idea of the LTD being replaced by the N6X, I thought initially it was going to be supplemented like on the N22, but the N22X is "reverse commuter peak". If they start releasing percentages then the media and "Transit advocates" start spinning the numbers around. |
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