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Posted by B53RICH on Wed Mar 16 22:39:56 2011 Newsday article:http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/nassau-private-company-to-run-li-bus-1.2764369 Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus Originally published: March 16, 2011 10:07 PM Updated: March 16, 2011 10:12 PM By ALFONSO A. CASTILLO alfonso.castillo@newsday.com Nassau County officials say they will turn over Long Island Bus to a private operator and end their relationship with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which has run the financially beleaguered county bus system for nearly four decades. The announcement came as County Executive Edward Mangano Wednesday outlined cost-cutting measures that include slashing the county's annual contribution to LI Bus by more than half, from $9.1 million to $4.1 million. Mangano spokesman Brian Nevin said the cut is an indication of the county's plan to privatize its bus operation. Nassau will receive "best final offers" from three bidders on Monday and will choose from them over the next few weeks, he said. "The county has decided that funding the MTA's bloated bureaucracy is simply unaffordable for taxpayers," said Nevin, adding that the county's goal is to turn over its bus system to a company that can offer better service and be more efficient than the MTA. The county must give the MTA 60 days' notice before ending its agreement with the transit agency. Nevin said the county will request a date to meet with the MTA to discuss the matter. "The bus system belongs to Nassau County and we respect the county's decision to privatize the system," MTA spokesman Jeremy Soffin said. Earlier this month, the MTA announced plans to eliminate more than half of LI Bus' 48 lines, blaming inadequate funding of the system's $140-million annual budget from Nassau. The proposed cuts to 27 routes would affect about 16,000 of LI Bus' 100,000 daily riders, and come less than a year after the MTA axed 11 lines. Advocates for maintaining the MTA's operation of LI Bus have said it is unlikely a private company will be able to offer comparable service for less money. But Nevin said one private bidder has said his company would need just $2.1 million to run the county's system. The county owns the fleet of about 300 buses. Nevin said it is unclear whether privatization would result in fare hikes or service cuts. The base fare now is $2.25. Because it is not known when a private operator would take over LI Bus, MTA officials said they still plan to hold a public hearing Wednesday at Hofstra University about the proposed service reductions, which would take effect in the summer.Ryan Lynch, spokesman for the nonprofit Tri-State Transportation Campaign, said he worries about the lack of accountability by a private operator, which could hike fares, cut service and compromise safety without the checks and balances of the MTA. |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by R40slantontheB on Wed Mar 16 23:34:00 2011, in response to Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by B53RICH on Wed Mar 16 22:39:56 2011. Mangano is hell bent on destroying LI Bus and it seems no one can stop him... |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Mar 17 00:28:44 2011, in response to Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by B53RICH on Wed Mar 16 22:39:56 2011. WEST OF THE QUEENS BORDERI'LL BRING HOT DOGS |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by 9 local on Thu Mar 17 00:32:28 2011, in response to Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by B53RICH on Wed Mar 16 22:39:56 2011. WOOHOO! 1800s and 1700s to the city! |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Mar 17 00:37:47 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by 9 local on Thu Mar 17 00:32:28 2011. Not so fast. Based on the article, it seems that Nassau County owns all of the buses. |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Thu Mar 17 00:39:05 2011, in response to Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by B53RICH on Wed Mar 16 22:39:56 2011. Mangano is delusional. What the hell are they going to run on a $4.1 million subsidy? I hope the MTA tells them 'Fine ... go ahead' and begins the process of shutting down LI Bus, although I do feel bad for the many riders caught up in Nassau's self-made fiasco. |
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Posted by 9 local on Thu Mar 17 00:46:12 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Mar 17 00:37:47 2011. Well, the order sheets, titles, and registrations say otherwise. |
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Re: PARTY TIME |
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Posted by R40slantontheB on Thu Mar 17 01:11:36 2011, in response to PARTY TIME, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Mar 17 00:28:44 2011. How can you be happy about this? Nassau County is going to be decimated!! |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by R40slantontheB on Thu Mar 17 01:12:24 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Mar 17 00:39:05 2011. He is. CBS Lines out in Suffolk probably gets that much to run it's 5 or so routes! |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Thu Mar 17 01:26:36 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by 9 local on Thu Mar 17 00:32:28 2011. 1760-1839 belongs to the MTA 1700-1759 belongs to nassau 1760-99 was the option order buses that MTA funded while nassau payed for 1700-59 |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by FutureKBArticOP on Thu Mar 17 02:51:07 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Mar 17 00:37:47 2011. They definetly don't own the 1800's |
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Posted by R40slantontheB on Thu Mar 17 02:55:37 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by FutureKBArticOP on Thu Mar 17 02:51:07 2011. Well some TIGER money was used for those. That will be the next battle. I guess we'll see Cheese buses or maybe even these plying what remains of Nassau bus service...http://www.farandfurther.com/cuba-transportation/truck-bus.jpg |
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Re: PARTY TIME |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Mar 17 05:03:19 2011, in response to Re: PARTY TIME, posted by R40slantontheB on Thu Mar 17 01:11:36 2011. no great loss |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 06:20:08 2011, in response to Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by B53RICH on Wed Mar 16 22:39:56 2011. Advocates for maintaining the MTA's operation of LI Bus have said it is unlikely a private company will be able to offer comparable service for less money. But Nevin said one private bidder has said his company would need just $2.1 million to run the county's system. The county owns the fleet of about 300 buses.Nevin said it is unclear whether privatization would result in fare hikes or service cuts. The base fare now is $2.25. Was that bidder drug tested? For comparison, Academy runs the B-lines in Bergen for around $7M/year and that is a 6 day/week operation on most routes with hourly and half hourly headways. Clearly, someone is lying. |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Mar 17 06:26:36 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by 9 local on Thu Mar 17 00:46:12 2011. And whose decision was it to scrap the 14xx-15xx Orions? Those buses belonged to Nassau County and unless Nassau County told the MTA to scrap them, I could see a case for Nassau being able to claim 1760-1839 as payback |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 06:26:47 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 06:20:08 2011. An addendum: the bidders were supposed to bid what fare they wouuld run the system at, with a cap of $2.50. Say bye bye to bus/subway transfers (I'm ok with that part). The total subsidy under this plan would be $47M-49M, but I doubt the state is going to put up the same amount of money when Nassau isn't. The more likely scenario is that the state will force Nassau to implement the MTA's proposal on the private bus operator by taking half of their subsidy off the table.That will be the next shoe to drop. |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Thu Mar 17 06:28:04 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by R40slantontheB on Wed Mar 16 23:34:00 2011. NIFA? |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Thu Mar 17 06:30:51 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by 9 local on Thu Mar 17 00:32:28 2011. No, it is likely Nassau County will buy the 1700s and 1800s to make whatever the service offer it has. |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 06:50:39 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by 9 local on Thu Mar 17 00:32:28 2011. Check your email. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 06:50:45 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by 9 local on Thu Mar 17 00:46:12 2011. Check your email. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 07:31:21 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by gOlD_12tH on Thu Mar 17 06:28:04 2011. Nassau Interim Finance Authority |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Thu Mar 17 08:26:00 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by gOlD_12tH on Thu Mar 17 06:28:04 2011. He prob would blame NIFA, as he his blaming them for the huge County employee layoff that will most likely happen July 1st. |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Thu Mar 17 08:30:37 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by 9 local on Thu Mar 17 00:46:12 2011. Yeah but the MTA is getting 90 orders from three different companies, Nassau could say that the MTA doesn't need 1700-18xx. They could also sue the MTA for scrapping the buses that Nassau did own. |
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Posted by kahlua on Thu Mar 17 08:50:39 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 06:26:47 2011. I agree with you, however I think the county will ask for a portion of the MTA taxes collected in Nassau as well... Any way this turns out its gonna be ugly... |
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Posted by Dekatyou on Thu Mar 17 08:58:26 2011, in response to Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by B53RICH on Wed Mar 16 22:39:56 2011. We can blame Nassau executive easily, but....NO EXECUTIVES, SURROUNDING NYC, WOULD NOT LIKE MTA! Westchester county Beeline accepts Metro card, but executives denied MTA operating, Rockland County executive also said not want to put MORE money for MTA. (MTA did not give anything for Rockland!) And also, MTA is contracted operator, Nassau county has a right to cancel it (and NYC also has a right to do so.) If MTA thinks seriously about this problem, why Nasssau operations contracts for "sub-contractors" just like as Able-Ride? Nassau County would like to say to MTA; "CUT YOUR OWN EXPENSE BEFORE CHARGING MORE TO US!!" It is MTA's executive fault and also union's fault because union only screamed "save our jobs!". |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Thu Mar 17 09:21:23 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by 9 local on Thu Mar 17 00:32:28 2011. It depends on how much state (non-MTA) and federal funding was involved, since those funds are targeted for use in a specific area. Just because MTA purchased the coaches doesn't mean they own them - the authority through the MSBA has been the 'designated recepient' for any Fed funds coming to Nassau for transit. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Thu Mar 17 09:24:12 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Dekatyou on Thu Mar 17 08:58:26 2011. The MTA can probably point to some LI Bus expenses that are lower thanks to shared purchasing agreements and management with the other Regional Bus entities, though. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Thu Mar 17 09:24:46 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by kahlua on Thu Mar 17 08:50:39 2011. Good point - I think you hit the nail right on the head. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 17 11:26:54 2011, in response to Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by B53RICH on Wed Mar 16 22:39:56 2011. A private operator could probably run things more cheaply---however, if the private operator has the same conditions imposed on it as the MTA, it could lead to utter disaster.The other issue is: Will Nassau County be able to tap MCTD taxes to fund it? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 17 12:54:16 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by 9 local on Thu Mar 17 00:46:12 2011. Do the titles say MTA? Registration can be to the operator, just like a leased vehicle; given the MTA's experience with purchasing buses, they could have just been an agent, thus the name on the order sheets. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 12:56:20 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 17 12:54:16 2011. He said titles. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 17 12:57:43 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Dekatyou on Thu Mar 17 08:58:26 2011. I can't make any sense of this post. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 17 12:58:50 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 17 12:54:16 2011. The registrations say MSBA, but on at least the 1500s and 1600s, it also says: Property of Nassau County. I have not seen a full copy of the registrations on the 1700s and 1800s. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 13:00:53 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 17 12:54:16 2011. You are correct.I keep telling people that the bidding process stated that ALL of the Long Island Bus equipment is staying in Nassau County. I only have the bid documents to prove that. There are people counting NGs that are 80% funded through Nassau's federal allocation as part of the NYC fleet. They are wrong. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 13:03:55 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Dekatyou on Thu Mar 17 08:58:26 2011. Nassau is the only one to blame. The bloated MTA has been paying for Nassau's buses since 2000. If they were efficient, they would have done this 10 years ago. I don't think people know what they are asking for when they ask the MTA to be businesslike. All businesses would make the same decision. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 17 13:04:11 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 12:56:20 2011. I know what he said. Can he prove it is my question.Sigh...another place where text fails when speech would prevail... |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 17 13:06:16 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 13:03:55 2011. I asked the question of a private company putting up with the way Nassau pays their bills. If the MTA were a true private operator in Nassau, they would have stopped operating buses some time ago... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 13:18:01 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 17 13:04:11 2011. You could have easily instead written one of the following originally to make your question MUCH more clear:1. Are you SURE the titles say MTA? 2. Can you confirm again that the titles do indeed say MTA? 3. Do you have any proff that the titles do indeed say MTA? 4. What/who is your source that the titles say MTA? 5. Are you again talking about stuff which you know nothing about? 6. Are you again doing much more talking than listening so you're learning nothing? |
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Posted by Nova LFSA 1289 on Thu Mar 17 14:01:59 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 13:00:53 2011. Something I've been confused about. Are all of the NGs funded for exclusive Nassau County use? Or is that just the 1800s?I ask because I've only heard about the 1800s and I want to make sure if the 1700s were included in that 80% list. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 17 14:04:46 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 13:18:01 2011. I could have, but I typed it out the way I would say it to someone I were speaking to, who would have clearly heard the tone of voice and understood the meaning of the question. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 14:24:12 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Mar 17 13:06:16 2011. These bidders should have asked the same question. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 14:27:37 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Nova LFSA 1289 on Thu Mar 17 14:01:59 2011. ALL of the NGs are saying. The 80% match was from Nassau County's federal funds. 80% of those buses have a federal interest in them which is controlled by Nassau County. |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Thu Mar 17 15:33:27 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by kahlua on Thu Mar 17 08:50:39 2011. Do Westchester, Rockland or Suffolk recieve any portion of the MTA taxes to subsidize their respective systems? If that's not the case, then those three counties could certainly make an arguement that they should be given similar consideration if Nassau gets its way. |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 17 15:52:36 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Dekatyou on Thu Mar 17 08:58:26 2011. "CUT YOUR OWN EXPENSE BEFORE CHARGING MORE TO US!!"I believe all jurisdictions are asking that of the MTA, as well as residents and businesses. |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Mar 17 16:51:43 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by ctrabs74 on Thu Mar 17 15:33:27 2011. AFAIK, each county's portion of the MTA taxes pays only for said county's railroad service. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Mar 17 17:09:08 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 14:27:37 2011. That's nice to hear LI will be keeping their NGs in the event that an Private Company takes over. 2x2 seating in a LF bus in NYC FTL.Most of these dudes who wish to see these buses on JG routes probably don't even live in their service area or ride their routes on an daily basis. @ Gleason riding an crushloaded C40/VII OG isn't exactly fun, and that's with 2x1 seating, a lot of times I had B8s that just keep going and bypass the stop due to no room on the bus. I used to commute on the B6 which has much higher ridership than the B8 and it was 100% HF and still is and that's never happened to me, I'm not saying it doesn't happen with HF buses but its never happened to me on a personal level. I feel for the people who have to ride B6, B36 etc during rush hour when the LFSs come their commute are going to get a lot more stressful. I'd gladly wait for the brand new LFRs to come with 2x1 seating rather than hand me down buses from LI. Pity there's no decent HF buses out in the market, oh well. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Mar 17 17:14:28 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Mac5689 on Thu Mar 17 08:30:37 2011. MTA doesn't need those LIB NGs, there getting new New Flyer CNGs. As I said in my other post, that 2x2 seating will not work out too well in NYC. LF buses blow period when it comes to SRO here in NY but 2x1 seating is a bit better than 2x2. Hell, I heard people complain about the seating in the back of the LSFAs when there SRO, and that's a artic bus. |
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Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus |
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Posted by Nova LFSA 1289 on Thu Mar 17 18:00:55 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 17 14:27:37 2011. Thanks for clarifying that for me. Granted even if that wasn't the case, I wouldn't want anything second-hand from LI Bus. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Thu Mar 17 18:21:10 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 17 11:26:54 2011. What will happen to the employees of Long Island Bus such as the bus drivers? |
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Posted by Train2104 on Thu Mar 17 18:52:18 2011, in response to Re: Nassau: Private company to run LI Bus, posted by Nyctransitman on Thu Mar 17 18:21:10 2011. Either the private company hires them, or they are laid off. I don't think supervisors/management will be hired, they probably will move to elsewhere in RBO.But when Keolis offered to hire any former Amtrak employee who worked VRE trains, only a couple of employees signed on. |
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