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MTA "promises" M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010
Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 13 14:48:02 2009 edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d M.T.A. promises faster M15 buses by next September “Faster and more reliable.” That was the catchphrase the city Department of Transportation and M.T.A. officials used to describe their newest innovation for a more efficient bus system during a presentation to the Community Board 1’s Seaport/Civic Center Committee on Tuesday night. The joint project is called Selective Bus Service, and it will run 8.5 miles on the M15 route along First/Second Aves., Allen St., Madison St., St. James Pl., Pearl St. and Water St. The city’s target date for implementation is Sept. 5, 2010. The goal is to create a speedier travel experience for bus commuters on the eastern side of Manhattan. “Buses in New York City are very slow. They’re the slowest in the country among large cities,” said Joseph Barr, the director for transit development in the D.O.T.’s Division of Planning and Sustainability. S.B.S. will be speedier than the M15 due to several new features, said D.O.T. and Metropolitan Transportation Authority officials. It will mandate that customers pay for their ride ahead of time at outdoor machines instead of holding up the bus swiping MetroCards inside. There will also be a bus signal priority, a special type of technology, which holds green lights for buses. Bus lane hours will be expanded and enforced to ensure freer space for bus travel, said the D.O.T. and M.T.A. The new bus program will replace the M15 limited stop line and will have a few less stops. There are three bus stops in the C.B. 1 district that will be affected by the new bus system: South Ferry, Wall and Water Sts. and Fulton and Pearl Sts. The stops just to the north will be Madison and Catherine Sts., Grand and Allen, and Houston and Allen. During their presentation, D.O.T. and M.T.A. officials included a study indicating that the current buses were only in motion for half of an average rider’s commute. Due to slow bus speeds, bus ridership has remained stagnant throughout the past 15 years while subway ridership has increased. Through the new program, city officials hope both the subway system and the bus system can have the reputation for fast, reliable and comfortable transit. The first phase of the program was instituted along Fordham Road in the Bronx about one year ago. Officials said it increased ridership by 10 percent, and decreased the average bus rider’s travel time by 20 percent. “If we could decrease travel time from 125th St. to South Ferry, I don’t see how anyone could be against that,” said Robert Marino, M.T.A. deputy director of government and community relations. But several members of the Seaport/Civic Center Committee had their reservations. Committee member Joe Lerner said that bus lanes might cause even greater delays if people park their cars there. “When you have police officers on every third block on First Ave., and they start ticketing cars, you’ll see how fast buses can go,” said Lerner. Some of the committee members were concerned about the bus lanes causing greater congestion among commercial and car traffic. Others said that buses do not always stay in their lanes when an obstacle like a parked car is standing in their way. Cars in the regular lane often need to “stop short” to let buses in, said committee member Ann DeFalco. In response, the D.O.T. officials said that they were midway through a traffic analysis of the plan, but believed there to be extra capacity along the route to host bus lanes. Other members were concerned about fare evasion due to the outdoor paying machines and the potential for lost revenue. But to deter free riders, inspectors would walk through the buses to make sure that everyone has paid, according to the M.T.A.’s Marino. “If you get caught without a receipt on the buses, you get a $100 ticket,” he said. “It’s the same fee as if you jump the turnstiles at the subway station.” Source: http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_342/mtapromises.html
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Posted by busway flyer* on Fri Nov 13 15:31:26 2009, in response to MTA "promises" M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 13 14:48:02 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I guess by then NOVABUS 60-FT LFS's will be in place? Bway Flyer
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Posted by dontwalkhand* on Fri Nov 13 20:54:25 2009, in response to MTA "promises" M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 13 14:48:02 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I like the concept of Select bus service, now they need what other BRT systems have, next bus signs, and internal automated announcements like the train. The bus lanes should have cameras to deter non-buses from entering it at points where it is possible. Fare evasion generally is not much of a problem with a system like this, it is a small problem, but not as big as people make it out to be. Now I wish Valley Metro would allow the LINK buses to have prepaid boarding.
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Posted by Grand Concourse* on Fri Nov 13 22:09:46 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by busway flyer on Fri Nov 13 15:31:26 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Hopefully.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sat Nov 14 21:25:18 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Nov 13 22:09:46 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why?
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Posted by metrolinecoach111* on Sat Nov 14 21:52:10 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 14 21:25:18 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You have a bunch of variables that may affect the due date such as unknown potential problems with the new artics (similar to the issues with the Designline vehicles), the construction you have on 2nd Avenue with the Subway, Community Board opposition, etc... I tend to agree with GC on this one, I'll only believe it when I see it.
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Posted by rionOne* on Sat Nov 14 22:06:21 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by busway flyer on Fri Nov 13 15:31:26 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d According to the contract, the Nova LFS Articulated buses will be in place FAR before the M15+ debuts. Gun Hill will get their batch first (33 units), replacing all of the current buses in +select service. The remaining allotment will go to 126th Street (57 units). This is preliminary and is subject to change. As for whether the 1996-97 Artics will see a direct retirement from this, is an unknown. But with Baisley Park and JFK on the line up as the MTA Bus Company garages set to get articulated buses. It's a good possibility that Artics will be moved to MTAB at the time the Nova LFSs start pounding the pavement here in NY. -Trevor www.ttmg.org
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line* on Sat Nov 14 22:14:57 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by rionOne on Sat Nov 14 22:06:21 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I wish they could send a few Artics over to Staten Island to use on some of the busier runs.
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line* on Sat Nov 14 22:15:05 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by rionOne on Sat Nov 14 22:06:21 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I wish they could send a few Artics over to Staten Island to use on some of the busier runs.
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Posted by Grand Concourse* on Sat Nov 14 22:19:09 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 14 21:25:18 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What do you mean why? I think it would be nice to see those Nova LF's on the M15 route. The demo bus ran on it a few months ago. You took pics of it.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sat Nov 14 23:37:15 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sat Nov 14 21:52:10 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d huh? how are you agreeing with GC on this one?
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sat Nov 14 23:37:52 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Nov 14 22:19:09 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I mean why as in why. Why do we need those buses in order to run SBS?
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 14 23:40:33 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 14 22:14:57 2009. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d How many times have we told you that artics DON'T HELP WITH BUSIER RUNS!!!! O M G ! When they put artics on the line, they reduce reduce the number of buses run per hour, since 60' > 40'. Then, with only 2 doors, there are longer dwell times. So when you put artics on a line, YOU GET MUCH WORSE SERVICE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND, BOYEEEEEE?
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 14 23:40:39 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 14 22:15:05 2009. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d How many times have we told you that artics DON'T HELP WITH BUSIER RUNS!!!! O M G ! When they put artics on the line, they reduce reduce the number of buses run per hour, since 60' > 40'. Then, with only 2 doors, there are longer dwell times. So when you put artics on a line, YOU GET MUCH WORSE SERVICE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND, BOYEEEEEE?
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein* on Sun Nov 15 00:34:20 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 14 23:40:33 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Depends on the line and its existing service pattern. For a route like the M15, where buses used to run every 2-4 minutes, putting artics on the route enabled service to be cut back slightly. On a run with buses every 10 minutes or longer) they would strictly increase capacity, not reduce service.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 00:35:59 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sun Nov 15 00:34:20 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Proff?
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Posted by AMoreira81* on Sun Nov 15 00:45:33 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sun Nov 15 00:34:20 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The M15 during the peak still is scheduled at 3-4 minutes.
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Posted by metrolinecoach111* on Sun Nov 15 00:49:20 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 15 00:45:33 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d But that's on a day where they have everyone in and are making score in terms of runs...which in reality is a completely different story.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 00:53:14 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 15 00:45:33 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d so?
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Posted by Grand Concourse* on Sun Nov 15 00:58:35 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 14 23:37:15 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Geez, I only said hopefully the Nova Lfs will be running on the M15. What's so hard about that opinion?
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Posted by Grand Concourse* on Sun Nov 15 01:00:05 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 14 23:37:52 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Where did I say they need to run the novas for SBS? I only said 'hopefully' because I'd like to see something other than just the new flyer buses on the M15. It's just an opinion.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 01:02:16 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Nov 15 00:58:35 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d And I asked him a very good question. You gonna let him answer it?
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 01:02:50 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Nov 15 01:00:05 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d But you are tying the news buses into SBS.
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Posted by Grand Concourse* on Sun Nov 15 01:05:32 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 01:02:16 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Wow, someone's anal tonight. I give you an answer and it's still not good enough.
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein* on Sun Nov 15 01:34:51 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Nov 15 01:05:32 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Just tonight?
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 01:36:41 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sun Nov 15 01:34:51 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No, you're anal all the times you post, Hank. Wanna talk about your issues?
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 01:37:09 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Nov 15 01:05:32 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You didn't give an answer. You made a stupid post.
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Posted by GOLD_12th* on Sun Nov 15 01:38:05 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 01:36:41 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Jeez Terrapin Station, why are you having a meltdown?
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Posted by GOLD_12th* on Sun Nov 15 01:38:30 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 01:37:09 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You made a stupid post.
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Posted by GOLD_12th* on Sun Nov 15 01:39:59 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 01:02:50 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You are a fucking moron. It is his opinion, he did not state a fact.
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein* on Sun Nov 15 02:20:49 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 01:36:41 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Sure, go for it.
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Posted by 33rd Street* on Sun Nov 15 03:33:42 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 01:36:41 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Seems your wife doesn't give you enough pussy.
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 15 05:11:15 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 14 22:15:05 2009. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Let's see: they put out an artic on a busy run.....the follower has a standard bus.......and that follower catches up to his leader every day: his leader with the ARTIC! Some time savings on this busy run!
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Re: MTA's Goal: M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010
Posted by Bill From Maspeth* on Sun Nov 15 05:17:02 2009, in response to MTA "promises" M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 13 14:48:02 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Subject corrected. Why? Because if it happens one day or one week later, MTA get blamed for incompetance! Especially on this board with all the so called "transportation experts".
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Posted by Deaks* on Sun Nov 15 05:21:08 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 01:37:09 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This, Brian, is exactly why so many people here don't like you.
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster* on Sun Nov 15 08:18:44 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Deaks on Sun Nov 15 05:21:08 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The more people get to know "Slimeberg," the more they can't stand him. He can't let anything go, he has to inject insults & make people feel like crap. Brian, when are you going to grow up and stop criticizing each and every post? Believe me, you're FAR from perfect yourself. Just ask your wife! This is a forum for bus enthusiasts. It's a place where we can let others know about what we've seen or found. I, myself, am sick an tired of reading about Brian's biased "opinions." Everyone is entitled to speak his mind, NOT criticize.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 10:37:42 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sun Nov 15 02:20:49 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d you want to talk, so start
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 10:38:39 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 15 05:11:15 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d pwn3d
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Posted by BrooklynBus* on Sun Nov 15 10:53:03 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by busway flyer on Fri Nov 13 15:31:26 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d How much do you want to bet that shortly after it debuts whenever that occurs, it will immediately be hailed as a success regardless of what the data shows. And that shortly thereafter, the MTA will make an announcement that because of its success, there is now a need to reavaluate the Second Avenue Subway and the project will be put on hold until the evaluation is complete. And that will be the last we will hear of it for another 20 years until someone decides to reactivate it again and here we go again. Question: If there will be such great enforcement on 2nd Avenue, why hasn't there been any on Fordham Road?
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Posted by AMoreira81* on Sun Nov 15 11:08:03 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 15 10:53:03 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Actually, traffic agents are making a boatload of money issuing traffic tickets, especially around Fordham University. There is enforcement on Fordham Road.
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein* on Sun Nov 15 11:19:26 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 10:37:42 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Just checking. You're trying to throw mud with an empty hand.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 11:32:25 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sun Nov 15 11:19:26 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d huh? you said you wanted to talk. so start.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 11:34:30 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 15 10:53:03 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d wrong
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Posted by JAzumah* on Sun Nov 15 11:38:01 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 15 10:53:03 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d BrooklynBus, let's take your "analysis" one step further: Second Avenue Subway money gets shifted to build the remainder of the BRT lines. DOT creates a new "Bus Lane Team" with hybrid vehicles painted in the BRT scheme to keep all bus lanes in NYC clear and the MTA pays for it and splits the revenue with the city. With that whole scheme, they would likely be allowed to shift money from the SAS AND buy a whole new fleet of BRT buses.
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth* on Sun Nov 15 12:54:42 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Nov 15 11:08:03 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yeah, the merchants along there are pitching a bitch about it being bad for business...........unless enforcement had slacked off lately.....you know because of a certain election that ocurred recently.........and now that he'll be back the tickets will be given out again like the keys to the city were given to everybody in the Yankee organization?
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Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010
Posted by ctrabs74* on Sun Nov 15 15:51:41 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 15 10:53:03 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Are you talking about parking enforcement or fare enforcement?
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Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010
Posted by rionOne* on Sun Nov 15 16:32:35 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by JAzumah on Sun Nov 15 11:38:01 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Damn, great analysis and what's crazy is that could easily happen in a blink. -Trevor
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Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 16:44:57 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by JAzumah on Sun Nov 15 11:38:01 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That would be CRAZY stupid.
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Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Nov 15 16:45:45 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by rionOne on Sun Nov 15 16:32:35 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That was NOT an analysis. That was taking an "analysis" one step further. Note the important use of quotes.
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Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010
Posted by JAzumah* on Sun Nov 15 17:05:30 2009, in response to Re: MTA ''promises'' M15 SBS debut in SEPTEMBER 5th, 2010, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 15 16:44:57 2009.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The last time Second Avenue Subway money was reallocated was to NYC's general fund to avert bankruptcy. That was $5 billion in 1972 dollars. This time, it would only be allowed for something that is visible, creates permanent jobs, and a capital expense. It would be quite stupid in my opinion, but it doesn't look like they will have the LOCAL funds to finish SAS.
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