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Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by futurekbarticop on Wed Jun 17 13:14:31 2009 Just seen on the south conduit as I was entering the airport. Ironically I saw Orion V being towed up Laurelton Pkwy.Cross Island Northbound. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Jun 17 14:12:43 2009, in response to Orion 7NG #4144, posted by futurekbarticop on Wed Jun 17 13:14:31 2009. sounds like it belongs tp jfk depot. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by mta_si on Wed Jun 17 14:18:22 2009, in response to Orion 7NG #4144, posted by futurekbarticop on Wed Jun 17 13:14:31 2009. Oh yeah JFK bound! Did they have a test bus yet for the NG or not yet?That mean Yukon delivery must be complete now. Damn this sucks though that means Flatbush is gonna wait even longer now. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Wed Jun 17 14:29:44 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by mta_si on Wed Jun 17 14:18:22 2009. Which buses was Yukon supposed to get anyway? |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jun 17 14:31:23 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by mci guy on Wed Jun 17 14:12:43 2009. whoa. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by q11-Woodhaven on Wed Jun 17 14:51:10 2009, in response to Orion 7NG #4144, posted by futurekbarticop on Wed Jun 17 13:14:31 2009. I saw 4140 on X-Bay and Conduit heading NB on Mon |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 17 17:17:05 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by R160 8818 on Wed Jun 17 14:29:44 2009. I'd like to know that too. It seems like Yukon (thankfully) lost all of their lead acid hybrids in exchange for the lithium ion hybrids that Castleton got. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by mta_si on Wed Jun 17 17:34:00 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by q11-Woodhaven on Wed Jun 17 14:51:10 2009. Last bus for yukon should be # 4142 that would be 50 to displace the 50 we lost to MHV. Also 3877 is still here so the technically 51 ng's for yukon. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed Jun 17 18:41:15 2009, in response to Orion 7NG #4144, posted by futurekbarticop on Wed Jun 17 13:14:31 2009. Sounds like JFK is getting NGs? Damn lol. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jun 17 18:50:02 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed Jun 17 18:41:15 2009. And if they are getting some 8600 RTS, then maybe it's time to start sending the O5's to Eastchester :) |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Jun 17 19:01:22 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by mta_si on Wed Jun 17 17:34:00 2009. yukon had 3852-3899 for a total of 48. therefore 4092-4139 are the replacements. 3887 and 3889 were at lga then went to mv a few months ago. it appears 4140- 4169 may be jfk buses. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 19:39:03 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jun 17 18:50:02 2009. I hope not. I'll say it over and over, the 86xx RTS buses belong at MJQ. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Wed Jun 17 19:57:23 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 19:39:03 2009. They belong wherever they are needed and MJQ doesn't need them at this point, MTA Bus does |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jun 17 19:58:38 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 19:39:03 2009. Well sorry aside from like protesting outside the depot [at risk of getting arrested], there's nothing you can do. MJQ is going to lose them and the MTA really needs to get rid of those old pos 8000-8300's and some of those O5's at JFK. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Wed Jun 17 20:08:56 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by mta_si on Wed Jun 17 14:18:22 2009. Flatbush will have to wait longer but it's not like the NG they have are in bad shape. I honestly think it'd better if they got NG's to the depots that are in need of new buses (BP,KB, UP for example) before worrying about displacing buses from depots that already have ngs |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 20:21:33 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Wed Jun 17 19:57:23 2009. What MTA Bus needs is more NG's Orion VII's. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 20:22:54 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jun 17 19:58:38 2009. Simple solution, send more NG Orion VII's to MTA Bus. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by QM18Express on Wed Jun 17 20:26:50 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by mta_si on Wed Jun 17 17:34:00 2009. 3895 is still @ Yukon as of yesterday as I saw that bus on the S79 in Bay Ridge |
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Posted by QM18Express on Wed Jun 17 20:26:51 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by mta_si on Wed Jun 17 17:34:00 2009. 3895 is still @ Yukon as of yesterday as I saw that bus on the S79 in Bay Ridge |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 21:05:13 2009, in response to Orion 7NG #4144, posted by futurekbarticop on Wed Jun 17 13:14:31 2009. Did this bus have MTA Bus or MTA New York City Bus on it? JFK has not been trained on this model as of yet. |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Wed Jun 17 21:28:16 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 21:05:13 2009. From transitstuff someone saw it with mta bus on it. Do we know for sure that JFK didn't have a NG? I mean how often do the people that post here randomly swing by there. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 17 21:33:46 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Wed Jun 17 21:28:16 2009. The only person that would know is petabread. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 21:35:17 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 17 21:33:46 2009. However, if they did, they would have had a few of them, likely 3 or 4 as GH did when it was doing training. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Jun 17 21:40:05 2009, in response to Orion 7NG #4144, posted by futurekbarticop on Wed Jun 17 13:14:31 2009. Could have been heading to spring creek. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 21:43:04 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Jun 17 21:40:05 2009. Spring Creek also has not yet been trained on the model. I would have seen one in Starrett City (which seems to be a favorite place for NYCT/MTA Bus driver training these days) if the case. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Wed Jun 17 21:45:50 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Jun 17 21:40:05 2009. 4140 was spotted on cross bay and 4144 was spotted twice once on S. Conduit and on Liberty Av. That sounds more like JFK territory. But if someone was willing to swing by Spring Creek and JFK then we would be able to figure it out. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 21:46:37 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Wed Jun 17 21:45:50 2009. Were either one in service? |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed Jun 17 21:48:14 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Wed Jun 17 21:45:50 2009. Throw Far rocaway in there too.... |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by petabread2 on Wed Jun 17 21:49:05 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 21:46:37 2009. I haven't been able to swing by the depot itself lately but maybe I can go by friday, the earliest. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Wed Jun 17 21:51:57 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 21:46:37 2009. Not sure, I know 4144 didn't have any decals on it. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jun 17 22:34:51 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Wed Jun 17 20:08:56 2009. That is true, the current NG's are fine, but no doubt [for at least the older NG's] the MTA wants to consolodate them over in Manhattan.At least it would allow them to push out the older RTS [sorry 33rd Street] to the other depots to retire those old RTS and O5's. I dunno how hard/easy it is to train mechanics and drivers on how the handle the NG's. So, for now it is probably for the best that the few depots that have the NG's stays NG's and the ones that don't have NG's stick with buses they are familiar with. I mean it's not like those areas must have the NG's.. yet. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jun 17 22:38:35 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 20:21:33 2009. But they need to be trained how to drive/maintain them. It makes more sense to concentrate the NG's to select depots till even more older RTS/O5's are retired.But I still don't see what sense it makes to send the new batch of NG's to JFK, when it probably makes more sense to send them to LGA directly since they already have some in service. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 22:41:37 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jun 17 22:34:51 2009. That appears to be a matter of image too (to have as many of the newest buses as possible in Manhattan). I would not be surprised if all of the lead-acid O7 NGs end up in Manhattan Division. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 22:42:46 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 20:21:33 2009. They are slated for 85 more, unless things have changed. However, retraining will be needed as there are differences between the first-generation O7s and the NG O7s (i.e., convex mirrors on both sides of the buses, and a right-side mirror that is two inches farther out). |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jun 17 22:47:09 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 22:41:37 2009. It would make the most sense. And those buses are good for mainly short runs right? The crosstown routes would suit them perfectly. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jun 17 22:49:48 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 22:42:46 2009. Yup. This is why NG's going to JFK is surprising to me. Because, as they alread have a few, wouldn't it make more sense to just send them to LGA and send the 8600's to JFK? |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 23:02:20 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 22:42:46 2009. TBH, MTA Bus deserves newer buses more than MJQ. MJQ was fine until 3813 and 3817 was added to MJQ's fleet last October. I shook my head when I saw 3815 on the M21 this afternoon. I wouldn't mind MJQ getting NG's but at the same time, they must keep the 86xx RTS'. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 23:04:22 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Jun 17 22:34:51 2009. I'd rather have MJQ keep their 86xx and send out their NG's to MTA Bus. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 23:08:33 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 23:04:22 2009. Even when MTA Bus got 284 new local buses and is getting another 105? Since takeover, over 60 percent of the inherited fleet has been replaced. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 23:15:44 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 23:08:33 2009. I'll admit, LGA and all the other MTA Bus depots deserves new buses more than MJQ. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 23:18:09 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 23:15:44 2009. Not more than Staten Island Division, which had been a dumping ground until the O7 NG order started coming in. The dumping ground now appears to be Far Rockaway and LaGuardia Depots. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Jun 17 23:18:43 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 17 17:17:05 2009. They have 4092-4139. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 23:22:12 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 23:18:09 2009. True. I remember reading horror stories about how bad the buses were at Staten Island. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Jun 17 23:31:31 2009, in response to Orion 7NG #4144, posted by futurekbarticop on Wed Jun 17 13:14:31 2009. Ok-1st and foremost-in response to 33rd Street-I think SOME of the 8600s will be staying at MJQ...FOR NOW. MJQ just received 3800-3831 from MHV...enough to displace SOME RTSs elsewhere but NOT ALL. In due time, the FLA 3900s are going to leave there. The reason-batteries. Then you will see the majority of those heading to Manhattan Division to displace even more RTSs...more or less likely eliminating the 8600s.At the same time, MTA Bus only placed an order of 105 Orion VII NGs. I agree they should've ordered some more. But perhaps in due time? I know how you feel about the 8600s-believe me. I like those buses too. I feel the same way about all of this nonsensical shuffling. But it needs to be done...I guess. And at least some of them are getting some extra life in them. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 23:33:22 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 23:22:12 2009. You probably also saw the first sign of a shakeup in late 2007, when buses were pulled from SI and fixed at other garages (with buses from all over sent to SI as loaners). |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 23:34:49 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Jun 17 23:31:31 2009. When the D4500CTs were ordered, that was supposed to essentially demote all of the O5 CNGs to local service. But a 126-bus order became just 40. If it was 126 still, the 1990 TMCs would likely be all gone by now. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Jun 17 23:35:19 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Jun 17 23:31:31 2009. Oh, as far as the delivery...looks like a change was made. Originally, 4140-4169 were supposed to go to SC. Instead, they will be going over to JFK to add more HEV service to the Q10. I'll try my best to get a chance to swing by JFK in the next few days to prove my point. |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 23:39:52 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Jun 17 23:35:19 2009. It may be a while before then start running, I would imagine; training on those buses has to be done (an O7 and O7 NG are NOT the same bus). |
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Re: Orion 7NG #4144 |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 23:40:57 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 17 23:33:22 2009. I do recall riding on 8175 on the M21 back on October 5th, 2007. I also have photos of that bus. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jun 17 23:46:08 2009, in response to Re: Orion 7NG #4144, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Jun 17 23:31:31 2009. I could perhaps get some information from a MJQ B/O. I see what the TA has in store. The 86xx RTS' that MJQ has made them a fixture in Manhattan. I'm hoping that FLA doesn't get anymore NG's. |
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