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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed May 6 09:52:18 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 5 16:09:54 2009. Those type of headlines can go both ways. You could have your example or TA SPENDS $XXXXX ON OLD BUSES WHILE PAX STAND IN COLD.It's a damned if you do, or damned if you don't situation. |
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Posted by RTS_book on Wed May 6 11:46:43 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 00:06:37 2009. Why would we have any better answer for your question? |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed May 6 12:00:09 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 00:59:57 2009. The ideal location would have been the former Hudson Pier depot. Plenty of space and the area is becoming another tourist area. Too bad the MTA sold off the property five years ago. |
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Posted by Deaks on Wed May 6 12:46:42 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 5 21:51:12 2009. I would have thought that scrapyards recoup some of what they lay out to purchase old buses in sale of spares, reconditioned units and such. I doubt there would be much demand for those removed from 'heritage' buses. I further doubt the old buses would, therefore, be of as much value to them as something such as an RTS (for example); with vehicles of the same generation as RTSes being still in widespread use, there will still be a healthy demand for salvageable spares. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 6 13:12:28 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Deaks on Wed May 6 12:46:42 2009. I would have thought that scrapyards recoup some of what they lay out to purchase old buses in sale of spares, reconditioned units and such.Much of that cost is also recovered through parts sales. If you already own a historic bus, where do you go for parts? Either a scrapyard or another still-extant bus. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed May 6 13:15:35 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 00:33:50 2009. Maybe next year? |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed May 6 13:18:23 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 6 06:13:08 2009. It's more of a biggie for the employees. For those who are there for the equipment, it is no biggie. |
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Posted by Deaks on Wed May 6 13:23:22 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 6 13:12:28 2009. Correct. But it is obvious that parts recovered from an RTS/Orion V or whatever are going to be in far greater demand than those recovered from something that is 50 years old.... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:27:31 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by RTS_book on Wed May 6 11:46:43 2009. Because RIPTA seemed to strongly imply that he has an idea of how much Nimco would be willing to pay. Furthermore, I know many people here are in the business of purchasing buses (for both business and/or pleasure) and thus, especially when purchasing for pleasure, probably have a pretty good idea how much money they had to pay to keep the bus from going to a scrapper. That is, unless in every one of those transactions, scrappers were not permitted to or not offered the opportunity to name a price. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:31:13 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Deaks on Wed May 6 12:46:42 2009. But since NYCT still runs Orions and RTSs, wouldn't they remove every conceivable working part before disposing of the bus, thus making the bus's spare parts value zilch for the scrap yard? However, if NYCT was scrapping the vintage fleet, they wouldn't care to salvage any parts, since the whole fleet was going, and thus the "rare spare parts" value of the bus for the scrapper would be HUGE. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:34:55 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 6 06:10:54 2009. I disagree. Having the buses assigned to active depots ensures they are both protected and maintained. At an off-site location, protection would be far worse, and maintenance would be far costlier and thus virtually unseen. Even if they allowed volunteers to maintain the buses, the maintenance resources of some hanger would be far poorer than that of NYCT's active duty depots. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:38:31 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed May 6 13:18:23 2009. It's more of a biggie for the employees. For those who are there for the equipment, it is no biggie. Isn't that EXACTLY what I told you, to which you responded that you don't care what I think? So now you're using my thoughts to reply to someone who had the same disagreement with you that I did? Take Pride,
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 6 13:43:52 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Deaks on Wed May 6 13:23:22 2009. But it is obvious that parts recovered from an RTS/Orion V or whatever are going to be in far greater demand than those recovered from something that is 50 years old....Yes, but the supply of retired RTSes and Orions is also much greater. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 13:51:20 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:34:55 2009. It's not like they have to stay there year round, like some months they can be sent back to their respective depots.Why can't buses have their own museum while the subway cars can? Why can't the public see the museum buses [preferably all the buses] like a few months in the year than just 1 day and the few weeks the museum buses are running in Manhattan-Queens? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 13:51:36 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 6 06:10:54 2009. Exactly. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 13:51:49 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by 33rd Street on Wed May 6 12:00:09 2009. That's a shame... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:53:43 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by BMTLines on Wed May 6 08:31:51 2009. AFAIAC those buses belong in a museum that is open to the public. Bringing them out once or twice a year just doesn't cut it. The MTA should sell or donate them to transportation museums around the country that actually open their collections to the public. No way. I disagree one million percent. The buses do belong to a museum - the New York Transit Museum, which is wholly a part of the MTA, which controls NYCT. These buses served in NYC and there's no better museum for them. 1. The NYTM, being part of MTA and NYCT, can have its equipment maintained by the same pros who keep the active duty fleet it tip top shape day in and day out. There's no better maintenance to be had than that. 2. The buses are brought out for static display for the public at BusFest. They are also displayed at the Roadeo, but I don't think that was technically open to the public, and it's gone this year and who knows about the future. And some of the buses were displayed staticly daily throughout the month of December. So yes, I agree that there should maybe be a few more static display oppurtunities. But I feel that the excellent maintenance resources and the "in-service" operating opportunities (see below) make up for the lack of static display. Furthering supporting that idea, my first reaction is that more people see/tour the buses per year during the above mentioned static displays than there are visitors to any single east coast bus museum. But I could certainly be wrong on that. 3. IN SERVICE OPERATION: OMFG, running these buses in service is so unbelievably cool, and it directly benefits the people who deserve it the most - NY'ers. At a museum, these buses will not run in revenue service for NYCT. And there is no better way to honor these buses than to maintain them well enough to be run in revenue service, and then actually RUNNING THEM IN REVENUE SERVICE!!! 4. You're not claiming the Arnines should be sent to some other museum. Many of them are not on display - only some are and the rest are in some yard like 207 St. Those arnines are only visible to the public at events like how the vintage buses are displayed. So why say the buses should be given away but not the arnines, and all the rest of the TM subway/rail fleet that won't fit in the museum in Court St? Take Pride,
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 6 13:55:18 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:34:55 2009. Having the buses assigned to active depots ensures they are both protected and maintained.Not necessarily. They could easily sit in a corner untouched, and they would be more likely to be damaged by moving buses, vandals, or the elements. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:55:34 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed May 6 09:52:18 2009. Not really. That $XXXXX is a tiny amount in relative terms to providing additional service. Furthermore, the vintage buses ARE run in revenue service in December. Or at least they have been. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:57:21 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by 33rd Street on Wed May 6 12:00:09 2009. No, not really. That pier can be put to a use that in some way makes use of the fact that it is on the water. A bus museum does not need to be on the water. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:57:36 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 13:51:49 2009. Not really. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:58:49 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 6 13:55:18 2009. AFAIK, the buses are currently not ignored - they are maintained, stored indoors, and protected from vandals. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 14:00:52 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 13:51:20 2009. I agree that there is room for some sort of expanded public visibility of the buses. I'm just not sure that we've hit on a good way to do that yet. But keep thinking of ideas. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:10:13 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:57:21 2009. So where else can they be? Do you have a better location in mind? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:12:14 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:58:49 2009. Well so are the trains at the transit museum. So long as the building is locked down securely and someone's around to patrol the area, I don't see how putting the buses in one central location would be so hard. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 14:13:23 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:10:13 2009. No, right now I don't, but I have not seriously thought about it. All I know is that I like how they are doing things up until now and I'm not gonna mess with a great thing! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed May 6 14:15:49 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:10:13 2009. The Rockaways where there's plenty of vacant space for a Bus Museum. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 14:15:51 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:12:14 2009. A hanger at Floyd Bennett Field is very very very remote. Far greater possibilities for disaster exist there than 30 feet underground in downtown Brooklyn in part of the subway system. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:18:42 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 14:13:23 2009. Well of course buses being in the depot like nearly all year round except for one day and a month [assuming the budget allows for them to run this year] would be good. But what about the rest of us that would like to see all the buses and anytime we want than specific days?It doesn't have to be long. 3-6months would be just fine. But 1 day [and a select group of buses] and the 1 month is not enough. You have the TM for the trains, why not one for the buses? That's all. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Wed May 6 14:21:06 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:27:31 2009. And remember there is more metal in those old buses. Not plastic like these lighter weight buses. So they are worth more for scrap than keeping to show off at rodeos. If push comes to shove I guess the MTA might scrap. I would hope not though. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:21:18 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 14:15:51 2009. Well ok, so Floyd Bennett Field is ruled out then. But the good part is that Flatbush depot is 'near by' and Floyd Bennett Field has the space for all the buses and host to a Bus Rodeo in June. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:22:38 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed May 6 14:15:49 2009. Yeah, but even that is pretty far though. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed May 6 14:25:32 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:57:21 2009. How so? So what about water. Don't be negative. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed May 6 14:33:31 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:10:13 2009. Coney Island. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:37:07 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed May 6 14:33:31 2009. Hem, that's a good idea. It'll greatly fill one of the empty lots there. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 6 14:38:03 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:18:42 2009. You have the TM for the trains, why not one for the buses? That's all.Trains are a lot more popular than buses. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed May 6 14:40:34 2009, in response to MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue May 5 15:02:28 2009. As close to Downtown Brooklyn as you can get. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:51:52 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 6 14:38:03 2009. But what about some of us bus fans? Like I said 3-6 months. Doesn't have to be all year. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed May 6 14:59:26 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by 33rd Street on Wed May 6 12:00:09 2009. Allegedly, Hudson Pier is not in great shape. I'm not sure what is the item that is causing problems, but piers are generally problematic when the pilings start falling apart. |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed May 6 15:10:34 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 14:37:07 2009. hudson pier is unstable. thats why nyct vacated. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed May 6 16:08:04 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by 33rd Street on Wed May 6 12:00:09 2009. But the salt from the water can't be good for the buses's bodies. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed May 6 16:22:01 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 6 13:58:49 2009. stored indoorsActully 4904 is stored outside, when I went by SC depot a few weeks ago that bus was parked right out in the open. Same goes for the BP museum RTS and sometimes 10001 and 3006. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed May 6 16:29:45 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 00:59:57 2009. They should put a bus museum at adsterdam(Spelling?) Depot. IIRC after Mother Caire Hale opens back up adsterdam will close for good. So they could put a museum there. |
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Posted by GMCman35 on Wed May 6 16:38:26 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by fishbowls4ever on Tue May 5 21:48:41 2009. NYC Transit can also try the "Dreamliner" website in California whichspecializes in aftermarket parts for GMC Fishbowl Transit Buses. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed May 6 20:20:26 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed May 6 16:29:45 2009. Even better. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed May 6 20:21:01 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed May 6 16:08:04 2009. True. Can't disagree with that. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Wed May 6 20:22:21 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by mci guy on Wed May 6 15:10:34 2009. I see what you mean. Having walked right in front of it, it looked like the place was going to collapse. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 21:11:31 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed May 6 16:22:01 2009. Interesting, thanks for the report. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 21:11:51 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Wed May 6 16:29:45 2009. Sounds good. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed May 6 21:13:41 2009, in response to Re: MTA Bus Rodeo Cancelled, posted by 33rd Street on Wed May 6 20:22:21 2009. Do you have pics of it by any chance? |
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