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TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 24 01:08:55 2005

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Spoke with my 81 driver this afternoon (briefly) and he said he didn't think TCAT received its Orion Is from Albany. I heard they had. The Orion Is are older than TCAT I believe.

Also, he seemed to allude that more New Flyers were coming in. I will keep my ears open.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by vengence on Wed Aug 24 01:17:31 2005, in response to TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 24 01:08:55 2005.

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The Orions Albany ran had very large desination signs on them.

Im sure they had plenty of life left in them.

But WHY would anybody want them?

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 24 06:47:48 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by vengence on Wed Aug 24 01:17:31 2005.

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The Orion Is here are hammerheads...

Cheaper to buy used perhaps?

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 24 13:24:59 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 24 06:47:48 2005.

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The Orion Is here are hammerheads...

I believe they are ex-CDTA...

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by BusRider on Wed Aug 24 13:44:15 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 24 13:24:59 2005.

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If they are CDTA's what fleet numbers are they.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 24 14:57:47 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by BusRider on Wed Aug 24 13:44:15 2005.

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They currently have numbers in the 60s but I don't know how many there are. I am still learning things.

Rode the 30 today, I should have biked from Pyramid Mall instead. The latter would have been faster.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 24 15:16:06 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 24 14:57:47 2005.

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I should have ridden the buses there while I was there, just to see the scenery. Oh well. I only ended up taking two bus rides on TCAT, and I think they were both just Blue Light service from North Campus back to West Campus.

I used to hang out at Best Buy a lot. But I always drove there or got a ride.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 24 15:22:17 2005, in response to TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 24 01:08:55 2005.

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Get the VIN and look it up!

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 24 17:40:59 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 24 15:22:17 2005.

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I haven't befriended any drivers (yet).

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Aug 24 23:30:03 2005, in response to TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 24 01:08:55 2005.

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TCAT's Orion I's were purchased new by its predecessors.

Ithaca Transit purchased two orders with regular destination signs in 1983 (3 buses) and 1989 (5 buses).

Cornell University Transit purchased 11 'hammerhead' Orion I's in 1992 and 1993, numbered 57 to 67. I saw several of these buses still in CU Transit colors back in 1989.

JD


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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 24 23:42:26 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Aug 24 23:30:03 2005.

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Cornell University Transit purchased 11 'hammerhead' Orion I's in 1992 and 1993, numbered 57 to 67. I saw several of these buses still in CU Transit colors back in 1989.

So then these are the former CDTA buses, correct?

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 25 09:34:09 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 24 23:42:26 2005.

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So then these are the former CDTA buses, correct?

Incorrect.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 10:10:14 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 25 09:34:09 2005.

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Incorrect?

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Aug 25 10:36:58 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 10:10:14 2005.

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The ex-CDTA buses would be very new to TCAT (CDTA retired their O1's in batches in 1998-1999, 2000, and 2004). Cornell's O1's came from their own order and outside of model have no relation to the ones at TCAT.

As for telling a difference, are TCAT's fleet numbers in the 3xx, 6xx, or 7xx series? CTDA's O1's were in those ranges with buses falling into them as follows.
6xx: Many with no lift and soft seats, some with lifts and blue seats, original front end.
7xx: No lift, soft seats
3xx: Lift, blue seats, hammerhead end

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 25 11:11:46 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Aug 25 10:36:58 2005.

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The Orion Is here all have double digit numbers. Cornell does not operate anything aside from Charter services AFAIK.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 11:15:21 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 25 11:11:46 2005.

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Cornell's transit merged with TCAT a few years back...

And have you seen that fancy new express service called Campus to Campus??? Wow!!! Nice buses! EXPENSIVE TIX!

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 11:17:14 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Aug 25 10:36:58 2005.

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Ok, I'm still confused. Please try to answer these two questions:

1. Where did TCAT get its O1's and were they brand new or used?

2. Where did CU Transit (now merged with TCAT) get its O1's and were they brand new or used?

Thanks.



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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 25 11:44:59 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 11:17:14 2005.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany
Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 11:17:14 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Aug 25 10:36:58 2005.

Ok, I'm still confused. Please try to answer these two questions:

1. Where did TCAT get its O1's and were they brand new or used?

2. Where did CU Transit (now merged with TCAT) get its O1's and were they brand new or used?


CU Transit got them new in 1992-3. TCAT got them used; from where is what we're trying to determine.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 12:02:05 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 25 11:44:59 2005.

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But RailBus63 said: "TCAT's Orion I's were purchased new by its predecessors."

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by RailBus63 on Thu Aug 25 12:34:25 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 12:02:05 2005.

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TCAT was created in 1996 by coordinating three transit operators - Ithaca Transit, CU Transit and Tompkins County Transit - and the agencies were officially merged in 2004. All three contributed buses to the TCAT fleet. As far as I can tell, the Orion I's were purchased new by Ithaca Transit and CU Transit between 1983 and 1993. When I first visited Ithaca in 1999, I believe the 1983 O1's were already retired, but the newer ones were still in service. The 'hammerhead' O1's are just now reaching 12 years of service.

I'm not aware of TCAT buying any used buses in recent years. Since the mid-1990's, they purchased Nova RTS's, Nova LFS's and most recently New Flyer D40LF's.

I hope this helps clarify things.

JD

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 12:36:42 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Aug 25 12:34:25 2005.

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Yes, that clarifies everything. Thanks.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 25 14:31:32 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 11:15:21 2005.

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Is it operated by Coach USA? If so, then yes.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 14:41:18 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 25 14:31:32 2005.

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No, CoachUSA is Shortline. THIS is what I was talking about.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 25 16:31:04 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 14:41:18 2005.

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It stops at Robert Purcell but I have yet to see it.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 16:40:06 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 25 16:31:04 2005.

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I'm going to try to photograph it at the Cornell Club one of these days.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 25 17:31:56 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 16:40:06 2005.

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I'm genearlly not at North Campus when it departs and it only stops up here on request for its Ithaca-bound trips.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by vengence on Fri Aug 26 05:22:55 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 25 14:41:18 2005.

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DAYUM!

99 bucks..to/from Ithica?

Jezz..come on..

The Van Hool is sweet for sure..but it's too much.

Cost less on Amtrak.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Aug 26 06:10:59 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by vengence on Fri Aug 26 05:22:55 2005.

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How much is an Amtrak ticket from Ithaca?

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Aug 26 06:12:37 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Aug 25 12:34:25 2005.

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CU Transit used to run Thomases. They were retired around 1994, give or take a year -- put out of their misery by the O1's, presumably.

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Re: TCAT Buses from Albany

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 26 14:45:17 2005, in response to Re: TCAT Buses from Albany, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Aug 26 06:10:59 2005.

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$0. It would be more if there were actually Amtrak service here.

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