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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009 "Training Bus". I'd say this kid is here to stay awhile, and more of his friends may be joining the fleet. OK by me.njoy :) JRC    Look at that front door!!!     
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Jan 5 17:40:26 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. NICE CATCH AND PICS!!! The front of that bus looks NICE, the back is meh. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 5 17:44:11 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. great photos, thanks for sharing |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:48:38 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 5 17:44:11 2009. :)happy |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Mon Jan 5 17:52:54 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Awesome!!!I hope it becomes a success. Looks better than the D60HF's. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Mon Jan 5 18:40:15 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Great shots, Joe. Great shots.Those windows are gonna take a little getting used to, though. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Jan 5 18:54:57 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Official plates, eh?Something tells me that this bus might have already been purchased. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Jan 5 19:36:19 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Very interesting, thanks for the pics. |
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Posted by 9 local on Mon Jan 5 19:36:42 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. The return of the back window! Good catch, Joe. I'm definitely riding it when it goes into service (which is definitely coming, and soon). No rear route sign is going to be awkward as hell, though. |
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Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Jan 5 20:17:10 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Nice. I might look for it on Friday. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jan 5 20:19:01 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. They've could have done a better job with the side windows. And even out the front door. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 20:20:11 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Nice looking bus. My only major complaint is the very strange looking front door and the fact that the windows look like they were installed upside down. |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Mon Jan 5 20:22:35 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. the weirdest front door of a bus i've ever seen |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jan 5 20:32:32 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Pictures: Nice!Bus itself: Interesting to say the least. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Jan 5 20:46:43 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Fix the front door and ditch the Quebecois windows (the exact same are on RTL's Van Hools) and that bus would rock! The new rear looking like its Volvo B10M ancestors is icing on the cake. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Jan 5 20:50:42 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Very nice picsUgly passenger windows... |
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Posted by R22 Shoal Point on Mon Jan 5 21:13:54 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Nice pics. I wonder if this is one of the two that were tested in Quebec last year.I agree with the posts about the windows, however, they are just one of the options available. The front door config. too is an option. Vancouver was the first to have it. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 5 21:21:42 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Thanks for the pics Joe. A 3 doored bus? That will not work here. I'll try and catch it and see its ride quality. As far as looks, although I like the notions of a rear window and digital run box, I don't really like the way it looks. It's eerily similar to that fugly NABI that NJT has. I wish the MTA and New Flyer would make amends. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Mon Jan 5 21:26:50 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by JAzumah on Mon Jan 5 18:54:57 2009. Maybe, but if it were purchased I wouldn't expect a demo-type fleet number like 0054. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 21:27:38 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 5 21:21:42 2009. I agree.This, IMHO, is the best looking artic model out there (in the US at least) today:     |
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Posted by RTS_Book on Mon Jan 5 21:29:52 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 21:27:38 2009. Disagree. I like the Nova much better (though I dislike the LFX). |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Jan 5 21:30:30 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 5 21:21:42 2009. I wish the MTA and New Flyer would make amends.I agree. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Jan 5 21:33:05 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. An interesting bus, that's for sure. A digital dash sign, I think that's a first on any bus under the MTA logo. The unusual front door reminds me of those old Carpenter school buses. The narrow door panel would swing inwards while the wider one would swing out. Three doors on the side. That would be useful for +SBS routes.I think this could be the start of a new generation of artics in NYC. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Mon Jan 5 21:43:44 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 5 21:21:42 2009. i third thateither the NABI 60BRT, 60LFW, or the NFI 60LFA/LFR would look good in a revised NYCMTA scheme. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 21:45:36 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Jan 5 21:33:05 2009. Thanx for all the interesting responses. Glad you like the shots.I appreciate the fact the bus has a rear winsow, something the "whitebook" specs did away with long ago and basically stayed that hway long after whitebook was scrapped. A/C units had been plopped atop bus roofs but buses still had no rear windows. It was interesting while riding the vintage buses this year. On Flx 7340, some little kids got on and,running to the back of the bus, one little boy shouted "a back window". They then knelt on the rear seat and looked out the rear window. Brought back memories! I personally think the NF artics the city has should have been built with 3 sets of doors or better yet, a front door and the second door in the first section; most people prefer to walk from the back all the way to the front to exit. They'll use the rear to sneak on however. This Nova has some interesting features. Hope to see in on Bx12 Select or the Bx 1 or 2. jrc |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 5 21:50:17 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 5 21:21:42 2009. A 3 doored bus? That will not work here.WTF? Why in the world would it not work here???? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jan 5 21:52:41 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 21:27:38 2009. No offense, but that looks more like an insect than a bus. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 21:52:54 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 5 21:50:17 2009. Wouldn't a 3 door bus decrease dwell times? In theory, at least? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jan 5 21:54:10 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 5 21:21:42 2009. Your right... We need 4 doors.But 3 is a big improvement over the current 2! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jan 5 22:01:30 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by R30A on Mon Jan 5 21:54:10 2009. Where would you fit the fourth door in a pusher artic---or are you saying that the MTA should go with the far more expensive AG300 (where a fourth door can be put it b/c it's a puller artic)? |
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Posted by G1RavagesDad on Mon Jan 5 22:27:57 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by 9 local on Mon Jan 5 19:36:42 2009. Look closely at the bottom center of the rear window. Methinks me sees a rear route sign. |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Mon Jan 5 22:31:10 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by JAzumah on Mon Jan 5 18:54:57 2009. It is the "official" articulated bus of the MTA. They are just trying out different specs and layouts. The deal has been "done", once all of t he tryouts have been worked out, then they will be rolling onto NYC streets in 2010 [and say goodbye to some of the Flyers!]. |
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Posted by G1RavagesDad on Mon Jan 5 22:34:07 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Very nice pics.....thanks for sharing.I like it.....something different. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Jan 5 22:39:04 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 21:27:38 2009. Over customized bus. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 5 22:47:51 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 21:52:54 2009. It certainly could. So what was Bee Line talking about??? Any idea?? |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 22:50:30 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 5 22:47:51 2009. The fact that a 2 door bus gives more seating capacity. In all, you probably loose about 8 seats or so (maybe more) going from a D60HF to a low floor 3 door artic. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 22:53:28 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by G1RavagesDad on Mon Jan 5 22:34:07 2009. Thanx, G1. Glad U like.jrc |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 5 22:54:40 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 22:50:30 2009. So you're say that he thinks that a lower seating capacity means it won't work? Let me get this straight: there have been tons of posts here lately about how the Orion VII NG hybrids have less seats/room than the Orion VII buses, and that the Orion VII buses have less seats/room than the standard floor buses. But both of those models WERE still purchased, and ARE running today, and seem to be the love of many people here. So it seems counter-intuitive that a lower seating capacity bus "can't work" here when NYCT keeps putting "smaller" buses into service.And that's ignoring all of the benefits of a third door! |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 22:58:30 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 5 22:54:40 2009. The only other think I can think of (and he may have a point there) is that fare evasion will be greater on a 3 door artic than a two door artic. Spend 2 minutes on a San Francisco MUNI artic and you know what I am talking about. Still, the advantages of a 3 door time (less dwell time and faster running times) outweigh the disadvantages (longer dwell and running time, and less fare evasion) IMHO. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 5 23:06:04 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 22:58:30 2009. Dunno, I don't see how a third door will mean greater fare evasion. I don't think anyone who wouldn't already evade the fare would be tempted to do it, since they'd know that it's obvious that the driver can still see what's going on at the extra door. And those that do farebeat today will be kept in check at the same rates as today by the drivers and/or the police doing whatever it is they do today to combat fare beating. So I don't see a problem.Yes, I agree, the benefits of a third door far outweigh any problems. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jan 5 23:07:20 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 22:58:30 2009. Not a huge problem if they use the buses on SBS routes which are POP in the first place. And as Terrapin said, current fare evasion deterrence techniques should be just as appropriate on a 3 door bus as they are on the models currently in service. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Jan 5 23:09:45 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Cool. Nice catch and photos. Looks good to me and my vote is for this bus over something from Orion. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Mon Jan 5 23:28:21 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 5 23:06:04 2009. The bigger the crowd waiting for a bus, the more chances of a few fare evaders sneaking on through the back doors.Dunno, I don't see how a third door will mean greater fare evasion. |
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Posted by 9 local on Mon Jan 5 23:41:42 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by G1RavagesDad on Mon Jan 5 22:27:57 2009. oh, there it is. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 5 23:56:58 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 21:27:38 2009. I disagree. That looks like an Oversized Hot Dog Wagon that just came out of a Back To The Future Movie. |
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Posted by QM18Express on Mon Jan 5 23:57:13 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Very nice pics! The bus looks very good and the exhaust pipe looks weird! |
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Posted by QM18Express on Tue Jan 6 00:00:43 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 21:27:38 2009. Nice pics. If they did not make the bus look very tell, it would have been a very decent bus. Overall, it's a ok bus |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jan 6 00:06:02 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by QM18Express on Tue Jan 6 00:00:43 2009. Thanks. It actually is a pleasant bus to ride on. I can't get over the rear end of the Nova artic. I think it looks atrocious. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jan 6 00:12:37 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by QM18Express on Mon Jan 5 23:57:13 2009. Thanx, QM; glad U like the shots.jrc |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 00:13:57 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Mon Jan 5 22:31:10 2009. BOO! I prefer these Artics anyday:   However, I do have to agree that the 3 doors will work for the SBS. Other than that Aww Hell To The NO! |
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