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Re: My idea for the BxM4

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 24 02:08:52 2006, in response to Re: My idea for the BxM4, posted by 9 local on Mon Oct 23 14:58:34 2006.

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Gold Metrocard came out many years ago enabling transfer from the subway to the bus. You can get off the 4 or D train and use your Gold Metrocard to transfer to a bus going up Katonah Avenue FOR FREE. It's a brilliant idea, but you seem to have forgotten about it

I've forgotten nothing. The express bus still had a fare far more expensive than a local bus/subway combination even pre-Gold Metrocard. But perhaps some people merely want to keep jamming people into the subway? Intermodality; let's focus on that. We can't use a "one-size-fits-all" approach to mass transit.

The BxM4 is basically a combination of the 5th/Madison Limited bus, and the Bx1/2 Limited. Those two routes do not need to be combined

The BxM4A/B does not run all local; this is why it's called an express bus. The Bx1 and Bx2 limited do not serve Katonah Avenue, so you can't use them to go shopping for food products from the Emerald Isle. There is no "combination" of routes; there may be some duplication of service, but when you're looking to run express routes that give you a one-seat ride from borough to borough, that happens.

Oh, and buses do not relieve subway lines

They do when they run parallel. It's called giving the passengers a choice. Some passengers would prefer a forward-facing seat in the daylight for the whole journey instead of a lot of standing and/or sitting sideways in the dark, not to mention getting on and off at street level instead of climbing up to an el or down to a subway train.

As has been said many times, the capacity of one subway CAR greatly exceeds that of an MCI D4500CT or an MCI Classic. The capacity of one subway train is the same as the capacity of 80 express buses

That means absolutely nothing when you have a full subway train. There's a reason why those express bus routes are still running. There's also a reason why you still have express buses going to other boroughs. I repeat: abandon your "one-size-fits-all" approach. You want passengers to have no choice but to use the subway.

and since the subway runs MUCH more frequently than the express bus, and is 3 bucks cheaper, there is no point in having any express run that duplicates a subway, even if there is a branch that goes away from the subway line: as I said before, you can always make a transfer from the subway to a local bus

For the last time: the express routes didn't come to be for no reason. So long as the MTA can still sell their frequent express bus schedule to enough passengers, those buses will still be around. I doubt you'd want to have to deal with regular users of the BxM4A/B (or even 4C) if they all suddenly went from frequent service to absolutely no service and you were being pointed at as the one responsible . . .

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