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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 13 10:02:22 2016, in response to Re: Proof Terrapin is full of BS When he calls me factually and logically incorrect, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Oct 12 12:23:56 2016. This is a perfect example why you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet because it is not all correct.I still maintain Manhattan Crosstown routes were renumbered in 1984, not 1989. Notice the article says "around 1989" indicating the person writing the article was not sure. There are are also other mistakes in the chart. For one it states the M23 was previously the 15 prior to 1989 which is incorrect. This is how I know. In 1974, there were many Manhattan bus route renumberings which was the basis of my letter to the New York Times in July 1974. Prior to then, there were many duplicate route numbers. The only distinction was that some had an M prefix and others were just called Route. The numbers that were duplicated were the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 11, 15 and 20. In fact, there were three routes numbered 15 in Manhattan prior to July 1974. There was the 23 Street Crosstown, the First/Second Avenue route and and the Queensboro Bridge route which was renumbered M32 in 1974. The routes had to be renumbered because the MTA at that time decided to add borough prefixes and didn't want two or even three routes all beginning with M. So they used numbers that were currently unused to replace the duplicate numbers with no other logic. That was the basis of my letter that the new numbers should have corresponded to the street numbers. The chart says the M23 was previously the 15 prior to 1989. That is incorrect because the 15 designation from that route was removed in 1974, not 1989. In 1974, it was given another designation, and then renumbered again in 1984. The chart shows the M16 remaining the M16 and also shows it as being renumbered to M34. That is conflicting and unclear information. It says that because the Penn Station branch remained as the M16 and wasn't changed to the M34 until much later. The chart also shows the 49/50 Street route as being discontinued, and also shows it as being renumbered to M50 from M3. It was never discontinued. David Gunn was hired in February 1984. I met with him in April and he set up an interview with me and the head of OP in May 1984 where I reiterated my idea to renumber Manhattan bus routes. It was done three weeks later in June 1984 so your article is incorrect. |
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