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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:44:30 2008 Quick, go to the basement and dig up "You Can't Sit Down" by Phil Upchurch. "Holy Bat Man" in honor of the movie shot mainly in Chicago. I'm shaking my head. Chicago has long been a bastion of the transverse seat. The latest 3200 series cars only has single seats on one side....heard it was to widen the aisles to allow for wheelchair access. Then the CTA surveyed riders and claimed that overwhelmingly the rider's choice was for longitudnal seats...called "bowling alley seats" back in the day. Bet some of the more larger sized sistahs weighted in heavily on that one.Now Channel 9 in its 9 pm newcasts headlined that the CTA is planning to take out all the seats in some rush hour trains...yes, all the seats in some cars. The Brown line would be first with the Red and Blue to follow. "You Can't Sit Down........" Channel 9 is conducting a call-in right now. CTA to experiment with seatless rush-hour train cars By Jon Hilkevitch | Chicago Tribune reporter 3:39 PM CDT, July 16, 2008 Ushering in a new era of the cattle car, the CTA plans to eliminate all the seats on some cars of rush-hour trains to pack in more riders who are otherwise left standing on crowded rail platforms, officials said Wednesday. The standing-room-only rail cars would begin operating by the fall on the Brown Line, CTA President Ron Huberman told the transit agency's board. Last month, ridership rose 7 percent compared with June 2007, CTA officials said. Although that may not seem such a dramatic change, many rush-hour trains have been packed with riders for years. Changes to the current seating configuration are under review, but it's likely that an eight-car train would include at least two contiguous cars without seats, Huberman said. Elderly, disabled and pregnant passengers could opt to ride in the cars with seating, he said. Most CTA trains can accommodate up to about 90 riders per car. By yanking out seats and eliminating the aisle, dozens of additional passengers would fit, officials said. The CTA began considering alternative seating several years ago when it tested a train car with more center-facing seats. Stripping out all the seats from some train cars is not the CTA's preference in terms of customer service, Huberman said. But with ridership increasing each month—in large part because of soaring gasoline prices and a new requirement to provide free rides to senior citizens—the transit agency is unable to afford more service. Ridership among senior citizens has jumped 25 percent since March, when the free-ride program took effect. David Harrison |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 22:48:21 2008, in response to "You Can't Sit Down": CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:44:30 2008. SHAMEBULLL IGNORANCE ABUSE FASCISM This is a SHAME, why would they do this?Are they trying to run a fascist railroad????? I was joking before about the TA ordering the next cars without seats, but now it seems like a realit!!!! No customer service these days. SHAME. McAdoo would never allow this. Also, it is the BS signalling system which slows the trains down.. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:51:28 2008, in response to "You Can't Sit Down": CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:44:30 2008. Is it a good idea????32 percent said YES and 68 percent said NO. Does anyone know of any passenger vehicles, besides elevators and escelators maybe, that are standup. Oh, yes, standup roller coasters are excluded, L>OL. David Harrison |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Wed Jul 16 22:51:48 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 22:48:21 2008. SHAMEBULLL IGNORANCE ABUSE FASCISM This is a SHAME So you list your options, and then pick one to describe the topic? |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Jul 16 22:53:21 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Pablo M 201 on Wed Jul 16 22:51:48 2008. He must be on some sort of medication and is not taking it daily. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:53:23 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 22:48:21 2008. Look IDIOT...keep your BS stupidity to yourself. Don't comment on Chicago ever. You are the biggest no=nothing I have ever seen.AND LEARN HOW TO SPELL |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 16 22:55:37 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Ken S. on Wed Jul 16 22:53:21 2008. Maybe he takes it on the weekends, when we occasionally hear less from God's Chosen Sage. |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 22:55:58 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:53:23 2008. Mr. Harrison.. I was merely expressing my opinion, and i really believe that this "idea" is a BAD one. |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 23:00:43 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 22:55:58 2008. Get It Through You Head...No one wants to hear "Your Opinion". You are too stupid to have an opinion. Can you name ONE person on this forum who said YOU were SMART????Can you name any person on this planet, besides your parents and your teachers who said you were SMART?? Your parents had a vested interest and your teachers were paid to do it. I know...I was a teacher. |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jul 16 23:03:32 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:53:23 2008. you should get used to his moronic views. |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jul 16 23:04:16 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:53:23 2008. you should get used to his moronic views. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 23:05:14 2008, in response to "You Can't Sit Down": CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:44:30 2008. Damn! Had me scared there for a minute ... I thought it was a new rule for motorpeeps. :) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 23:06:45 2008, in response to "You Can't Sit Down": CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:44:30 2008. The real shock will if CTA actually goes through with this, which is essentially a big middle finger. |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:06:55 2008, in response to "You Can't Sit Down": CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:44:30 2008. A totally unprofessional operation. The worst part is that ridership on the CTA is lower than ridership in NY and DC. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 16 23:08:42 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:51:28 2008. Airport people movers have a very limited number of seats.WMATA considered a similar proposal, removing all the seats in the car except for about 12. Riders pretty much said don't even think about it, especially those coming in from the suburbs. |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:09:37 2008, in response to "You Can't Sit Down": CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:44:30 2008. That's great! |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 23:19:58 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jul 16 23:03:32 2008. No. You should stop it in its tracks. You shouldn't try to reason...you shouldn't try to change his behavior. You stop it in its tracks. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 23:23:57 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 23:05:14 2008. Interesting you say this, i think it must be uncomfortable to operate a train like an R160 while standing due to the position of the MC, but on the older SMEE equiptment, it is easier to stand, and some "motorpeeps" prefer standing to sitting. |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Wed Jul 16 23:25:05 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:09:37 2008. False. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:26:17 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 23:06:45 2008. no it's not |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Jul 16 23:26:52 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:06:55 2008. How is it "unprofessional" exactly? It makes a lot of sense given the restricted train length they encounter on many lines. Removing seats, or going to jump seats could make a lot of sense, especially if they're locked up during the peak periods to make for a maximum loading. You keep glorifying Japanese systems, yet there are subways in and around Tokyo which have (or at least had) seating that flipped up during rush hours to result in a nearly standee-only car. Are you saying that those systems are similarly 'unprofessional'?The worst part is that ridership on the CTA is lower than ridership in NY and DC. An apples to oranges comparison if there ever was one. Exactly how many billions of dollars have been invested in DC since 1976? And how much has been invested in Chicago in the same time? If Chicago had the fairy godcongress there to lavish it with cash I'm sure it'd have resurrected the Roarin Elgin to Aurora and the North Shore to Milwaukee, but that is not the case. Additionally the Chicago L fulfills more of a traditional subway role in concert with Metra, while WMATA attempts to be both a subway and a commuter train and generally fails at both. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:26:55 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:06:55 2008. A totally unprofessional operationno it's not. PATH could only wish to be as professional as this. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:27:20 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by J Trainloco on Wed Jul 16 23:25:05 2008. Nope, it's great. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 23:28:43 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 16 23:08:42 2008. Thanks, I was looking for any other systems that tried or suggested such.I bet along with this idea is the end to speculation that the Brown and Orange lines would get combined once the Brown line capacity enhancement is finished. The Brown line's ridership growth is far outstripping that of the Orange. The other Chicago problem is car shortage. David Harrison |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 23:31:54 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 23:23:57 2008. Can't speak for 160's, only time I ever ran an NTT was for a couple of stops on a set of newly-arrived 143's. There, I sat as instructed. When I ran arnines and 32's, have to admit I preferred to sit until my ass fell asleep and then I'd stand for a while. The older cars had a bench seat which folded up onto the rear bulkhead. And the rules were (imagine they still are) when you were operating in the YARD and/or through a work zone, you were REQUIRED to operate standing. What I actually tended to do more often than not though was drop the bench and lean against it, somewhere between fully standing and sitting. That worked best for me.When I first saw the post, I thought to myself, "oh noes! they're yanking the bench from the cabs!" Heh. But there's all I can offer ya for a FACTUAL comment. :) |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 16 23:34:45 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jul 16 23:04:16 2008. No, he needs to be put on the B7 bus NOW!!!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 23:34:50 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 23:31:54 2008. Whoops ... better be sure I'm not misinterpreted ... in yards or work zones, I fully STOOD, as per the rules. But in normal running, I'd do my "leanback" ... don't want anyone to think I was violating da rules! That was one thing they'd cut your head off over. :) |
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Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Jul 16 23:35:43 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 16 23:34:45 2008. IAWTP |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 16 23:36:25 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 23:28:43 2008. The other Chicago problem is car shortage.Might be some PATH PA4s on the market sooner rather than later for the right price, but from what I recall of our discussions on here about clearances, that wouldn't work out for CTA. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 16 23:36:28 2008, in response to "You Can't Sit Down": CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:44:30 2008. Quick, go to the basement and dig up "You Can't Sit Down" by Phil Upchurch.If SEPTA did this seating arrangement, then you would have to dig up a copy of that tune by the *Dovells! * Philadelphia group that recorded on Parkway Records. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Wed Jul 16 23:37:23 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:27:20 2008. Sure, if you live closer to the CBD.If you live further away, you're basically getting totally screwed. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Jul 16 23:37:47 2008, in response to "You Can't Sit Down": CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:44:30 2008. This is one of the reasons that I admire the old BMT Corporation - they took passenger comfort into account when designing cars like the Standards, Triplexes and Bluebirds. Ridership levels were also much higher back then. Today it seems that transit agencies couldn't care less about comfort. They have no competition and a captive audience and are becoming more and more arrogant about it. Not everyone can stand for extended periods. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 23:39:41 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 16 23:36:25 2008. maybe they can fit completely on some lines? They should be able to run skokie swift, and PA cars are FAST cars, and can hit 70 MPH when not neutered. How much do the current CTA cars weight though? PATH PA cars weigh about 60 or 70 thousand pounds... |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Jul 16 23:41:16 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 23:39:41 2008. A CTA car is 8 feet 8 inches wide at the platform level. That's going to be too narrow for a PATH car. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 23:42:21 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 23:31:54 2008. That is funny, you still think from the perspective of a transit employee. Once a TA employee, always a TA employee i guess. I bet you still think of passengers as "geese" and stuff like that, and probably still think some do silly things and all. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 23:52:22 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 23:42:21 2008. Selkirk TMO...don't do it. He doesn't have the slightest idea what your post was about. Don't tell him. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 16 23:59:02 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:06:55 2008. The worst part is that ridership on the CTA is lower than ridership in NY and DC.Ridership on all transit systems in the US is lower than that of NYC and DC, they are 1-2 in terms of average daily ridership on their subways. I guess all subways other than NYC and DC are going to be pathetic and horribly run in your view if you use that logic. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jul 16 23:59:49 2008, in response to "You Can't Sit Down": CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:44:30 2008. I agree with the principle in general, but I don't think permanently removing all the seats from the cars is a good idea.WillD posted about Japanese subway cars with seats that flip up during rush hours to create a "nearly standee-only car". Perhaps the CTA should look into that. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jul 17 00:00:18 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 16 23:59:02 2008. Including his beloved PATH. :) |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 17 00:02:05 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 16 23:59:02 2008. I guess all subways other than NYC and DC are going to be pathetic and horribly run in your view if you use that logic.IMO BART is #2 in the nation behind the Metro. Neither BART nor the Metro would pull a stunt like this. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jul 17 00:03:25 2008, in response to "You Can't Sit Down": CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 22:44:30 2008. "a new requirement to provide free rides to senior citizens"Are you serious? How much is this going to cost the CTA? Whose bright idea was this? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 17 00:06:21 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 17 00:02:05 2008. What Metro?The Los Angeles Metro? Washington? Montréal? Or perhaps the famous Paris Métro? |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jul 17 00:07:23 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 22:48:21 2008. I agree with the "BULL". Everything else, I don't.You should turn that into a campaign slogan. SHAME BULLL IGNORANCE ABUSE FASCISM New is bad. Paid for by JounalSquare-K-car and the oldeytime committee. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jul 17 00:08:29 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 23:19:58 2008. You could always try to reef it. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 17 00:09:31 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jul 17 00:07:23 2008. BULLIGNORANCE ABUSE SHAME Notice a pattern here? :-) |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Jul 17 00:11:11 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by BMTLines on Wed Jul 16 23:37:47 2008. I agree with you 100%. Same admiration applies to McAdoo and the old H%M RR...His railroad was known for the good customer service, and politeness of his crews, while the IRT was though of as a rougher, and ruder railroad. Agreed....100%!!!!! |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Jul 17 00:14:28 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 17 00:09:31 2008. If I didn't suck at Photoshop, I would have made a poster of that. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Jul 17 00:15:06 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by WillD on Wed Jul 16 23:41:16 2008. Not neccesarily...PATH K-Cars were the same width at the platform level, so the PA cars can be too, the thing is that the sides buldge out going up towards the "belly" or "belt" of the car, though this should be no problem, sinc the CTA cars are wider above platform level too. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Jul 17 00:17:35 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Jul 16 23:52:22 2008. What? He was talking about the seats in the cabs, i know what his post was about.It was funny how he thought about seats in the cab, while most people, who have never been in cabs, would think about seats for passengers. Selkirk is an Ex-TA employee, so i thought he still has that mindset. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jul 17 00:20:17 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 17 00:02:05 2008. IMO BART is #2 in the nation behind the MetroPer our friends at APTA, BART would be fifth place behind MBTA and CTA. |
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